Digital BW, The Print

I had the pleasure of attending Tyler's workshop this weekend in 
Berkeley.  
The highlight for me was the opportunity to see output from almost 
every viable printer and inkset. This included UK3, K7, K6, MPS7 (?)
HZ3100, Eboni 6 (?) Tom Malonee's set, Tyler's dual quad set and maybe 
others I am forgetting.  Only a Canon example was missing. 
I want to thank Tyler for arranging this and John Dean, Amadou Diallo, 
Paul Roark and others for contributing.  In addition, Tyler arranged 
for a 3800 and a 1400 with the special K6 set for our printing.
It was truly a rare opportunity to compare output and evaluate the the 
various options.
Again, thanks to all who made this possible.

Peter

Great idea for a workshop. (Going to check out his web site after 
sending this email.)

Any personal preferences with regard to the prints produced on the 
various printers as well as how the prints looked with the different 
inks and the papers used?
 
Any favorites among the printers and the various methods, K2, K3, vs. 
K6 or the inks used such as the eboni-6 (100% carbon ink) compared to 
the others, etc.?

Thanks.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "zonepeter" 
<zonepeter@...> wrote:
>
> I had the pleasure of attending Tyler's workshop this weekend in 
> Berkeley.  
> The highlight for me was the opportunity to see output from almost 
> every viable printer and inkset. This included UK3, K7, K6, MPS7 (?)
> HZ3100, Eboni 6 (?) Tom Malonee's set, Tyler's dual quad set and 
maybe 
> others I am forgetting.  Only a Canon example was missing. 
> I want to thank Tyler for arranging this and John Dean, Amadou 
Diallo, 
> Paul Roark and others for contributing.  In addition, Tyler 
arranged 
> for a 3800 and a 1400 with the special K6 set for our printing.
> It was truly a rare opportunity to compare output and evaluate the 
the 

> various options.
> Again, thanks to all who made this possible.
> 
> Peter
>

I got some Ilford Gold Fiber Silk paper ... now tried to download icc 
profiles.  All I could find on the Ilford site were large files, 
called 'Oynx' profiles, that have type 'Prntinst'.

Where can I find regular icc profiles?


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Were you on the Harman site?
http://www.harman-inkjet.com/home.asp

Mark
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On May 28, 2008, at 2:43 PM, Arthur Fink wrote:

> I got some Ilford Gold Fiber Silk paper ... now tried to download icc
> profiles.  All I could find on the Ilford site were large files,
> called 'Oynx' profiles, that have type 'Prntinst'.
>
> Where can I find regular icc profiles?
>
>


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At 02:47 PM 5/28/2008, Mark Savoia wrote:

>Were you on the Harman site?
><http://www.harman-inkjet.com/home.asp>http://www.harman-inkjet.com/home.asp

Nope ... the Ilford site.

Interesting that I found regular icc profiles for the sheet paper, 
but not roll.



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> 
> Interesting that I found regular icc profiles for the sheet paper, 
> but not roll.
> 

Is the roll paper any different than the sheet? 

For most papers there is no difference.  If not there is no reason for 
a separate profile. The sheet one should work. I would try it anyway.

Best,
Michael

Sammy,
I guess my number one observation would be that there is no 
substitute for seeing for yourself. Tha is what made the worksop so 
special.  I would guess there have not been many gatherings with 
such  variety.  That is why I wanted to thank those that contributed.
With that said, I'll give it a shot:

There are alot of ways to produce a great print.  I was very 
impressed by the Z3100 output.  This was my first opportunity to see 
anything printed on the HP.  The K6 on the 1400 produced highlights 
like I have not seen before. The K6 prints were all very smooth and 
beautiful.  On the right picture, it was really noticable.  Paul's 
Ebonbi 6 prints were beautiful with his work.  I was impressed by how 
quickly people who were not familiar with QTR were up and running and 
making really nice prints including split tones.  
My personal favorite examples were Tyler's prints from  his dual quad 
set.  But in fairness, Tyler was showing completed work as opposed to 
examples.  
What I came away with is the idea that each person has to find the 
right combination for their work. Nothing new there.    

Peter


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Sammy Bar" 
<sammysbar@...> wrote:
>
> Great idea for a workshop. (Going to check out his web site after 
> sending this email.)
> 
> Any personal preferences with regard to the prints produced on the 
> various printers as well as how the prints looked with the 
different 
> inks and the papers used?
>  
> Any favorites among the printers and the various methods, K2, K3, 
vs. 
> K6 or the inks used such as the eboni-6 (100% carbon ink) compared 
to 
> the others, etc.?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "zonepeter" 
> <zonepeter@> wrote:
> >
> > I had the pleasure of attending Tyler's workshop this weekend in 
> > Berkeley.  
> > The highlight for me was the opportunity to see output from 
almost 
> > every viable printer and inkset. This included UK3, K7, K6, MPS7 
(?)
> > HZ3100, Eboni 6 (?) Tom Malonee's set, Tyler's dual quad set and 
> maybe 
> > others I am forgetting.  Only a Canon example was missing. 
> > I want to thank Tyler for arranging this and John Dean, Amadou 
> Diallo, 
> > Paul Roark and others for contributing.  In addition, Tyler 
> arranged 
> > for a 3800 and a 1400 with the special K6 set for our printing.
> > It was truly a rare opportunity to compare output and evaluate 
the 

> the 
> > various options.
> > Again, thanks to all who made this possible.
> > 
> > Peter
> >
>

After the workshop I traveled for a week so just back now. I wanted to mention a few 
things before the thread dies...
Very impressive surprises were Craig Carlson's prints, made with Tom Mallonee's custom 
K6 inkset, which I had not previoulsy seen, and Walt Odets' work. It always amazes me 
how often our preconceptions are dashed in this work, and how often they NEED to be.
I think for the attendees, a major plus of Walt's presence was the radical difference in 
approach from what I am comfortable putting forth. His work is smaller format 
photojournalism, and the prints are glossy with a straightforward hue.
He uses an approach established by Paul Roark, replacing the Y in his UCK3 pk setup with 
a light gray, and prints on the Harman gloss. It's always a treat to see such a successful 
marriage of great images (really), and craft, and materials, particularly outside our chosen 
realm. Craig's work was a bit more in the area I'm familiar with, but also a perfect 
marriage of image and craft and materials, that I had not yet seen. These are clearly 
accomplished photographers and printers.
Lot's of great work there, too many to mention, hopefully over time, after a LOT of sleep!
Thanks also to Jon Cone for rushing some of his special blend K6 ink for the 1400, we 
were able to let everyone try it. The 3800 was provided by Bytes2Print, for the DigitalStop 
program, who were nice enough to invite me in the first place.
Tyler


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "zonepeter" <zonepeter@...> 
wrote:

>
> I had the pleasure of attending Tyler's workshop this weekend in 
> Berkeley.  
> The highlight for me was the opportunity to see output from almost 
> every viable printer and inkset. This included UK3, K7, K6, MPS7 (?)
> HZ3100, Eboni 6 (?) Tom Malonee's set, Tyler's dual quad set and maybe 
> others I am forgetting.  Only a Canon example was missing. 
> I want to thank Tyler for arranging this and John Dean, Amadou Diallo, 
> Paul Roark and others for contributing.  In addition, Tyler arranged 
> for a 3800 and a 1400 with the special K6 set for our printing.
> It was truly a rare opportunity to compare output and evaluate the the 
> various options.
> Again, thanks to all who made this possible.
> 
> Peter
>