Digital BW, The Print

Paul, need your input on this. I am using a 7600 with the Mis UT7 inks.
with funnel fill carts. I am about out of ink and would like your input,
do you recommend a diff ink set? I was never happy with the dmax I got
with that set but it printed very nicely other than that. Do you
recommend the new carbon 6 set and how much trouble is it to clean
the cart. Any advice will be greatly appreciated

Vinny www.wulfsden.com

Hi Vincent,

Paul will no doubt offer his expert opinion here, but did you try
searching past messages? Paul has written volumes on Carbon-6 and many
have discussed cleaning cartridges. 

Paul is an incredible resource to this site but sometimes I think we
take him for granted.

Mark 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Vincent Orlando"
<orlandovl@...> wrote:

>
> 
> Paul, need your input on this. I am using a 7600 with the Mis UT7 inks.
> with funnel fill carts. I am about out of ink and would like your input,
> do you recommend a diff ink set? I was never happy with the dmax I got
> with that set but it printed very nicely other than that. Do you
> recommend the new carbon 6 set and how much trouble is it to clean
> the cart. Any advice will be greatly appreciated
> 
> Vinny www.wulfsden.com
>

> I am using a 7600 with the Mis UT7 inks.
> with funnel fill carts. I am about out of ink ...

> do you recommend a diff ink set? 

It's a matter of personal preference.  I use 100% carbon inksets 
now.  So, if it were me, I'd switch to Eboni-6 or Carbon-6.  But, 
that would exclude glossy printing and print tone controls are 
obviously less with a 100% carbon monotone.  
See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf

> I was never happy with the dmax ...

I never got a great dmax from my 7600 with the Epson driver.  I used 
IJC then and would probably use QTR now if I had a 7600.

> Do you recommend the new carbon 6 set 

Yes, with the caveat that it has to be considered a beta inkset.  It 
simply has not been in use long enough to know what might happen over 
the long haul.  Eboni-6 may have fewer variables simply because the 
base used is a commercial base that has been more thoroughly tested.

> and how much trouble is it to clean the cart. 

As long as they have no sponges, they are rather easy to clean.  I 
use just distilled water, then the generic base (Carbon-6 base -- 
see http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf ), and finally a 
little of the ink that'll be in the cart itself to rinse and prepare 
the cart.

Hope it works for you.

Paul 
www.PaulRoark.com

Hi,

I have a 7600 which I am considering switching to a B&W inkset.

I'm wondering if anyone has tried the piezotone inks from Jon Cone or  
compared them to Eboni-6 ??

hope this hasn't been covered before

thanks
Larry.

In a message dated 6/4/08 12:14:57 PM, ostrom@... writes:


> I have a 7600 which I am considering switching to a B&W inkset.
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has tried the piezotone inks from Jon Cone or 
> compared them to Eboni-6 ??
> 
> hope this hasn't been covered before
> 

Repeatedly, perhaps there is a list archive you could review?

C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@datacolor.com
www.datacolor.com/Spyder3


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> I have a 7600 which I am considering switching to a B&W inkset.
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has tried the piezotone inks from 
> Jon Cone or compared them to Eboni-6 ??

I have compared the Eboni-6 test strips to K6 test strips and in terms 
of smoothness they are virtually identical.

Pual   
www.PaulRoark.com

I have compared the Eboni-6 test strips to K6 test strips and in terms
of smoothness they are virtually identical.



  Paul.

thanks for your insight.

Larry.

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Paul, thanks for the quick reply. Can you give me a quick diff.
between the two, carbon & Ebon1 6 or a link to where I can read
what the diff. is.

Thank again for all your hard work
Vinny
www.wulfsden.com



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark"
<pr_roark@...> wrote:

>
> > I am using a 7600 with the Mis UT7 inks.
> > with funnel fill carts. I am about out of ink ...
> 
> > do you recommend a diff ink set? 
> 
> It's a matter of personal preference.  I use 100% carbon inksets 
> now.  So, if it were me, I'd switch to Eboni-6 or Carbon-6.  But, 
> that would exclude glossy printing and print tone controls are 
> obviously less with a 100% carbon monotone.  
> See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf
> 
> > I was never happy with the dmax ...
> 
> I never got a great dmax from my 7600 with the Epson driver.  I used 
> IJC then and would probably use QTR now if I had a 7600.
> 
> > Do you recommend the new carbon 6 set 
> 
> Yes, with the caveat that it has to be considered a beta inkset.  It 
> simply has not been in use long enough to know what might happen over 
> the long haul.  Eboni-6 may have fewer variables simply because the 
> base used is a commercial base that has been more thoroughly tested.
> 
> > and how much trouble is it to clean the cart. 
> 
> As long as they have no sponges, they are rather easy to clean.  I 
> use just distilled water, then the generic base (Carbon-6 base -- 
> see http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf ), and finally a 
> little of the ink that'll be in the cart itself to rinse and prepare 
> the cart.
> 
> Hope it works for you.
> 
> Paul 
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

While I would not attempt to answer a technical question. Hope these 
links are a helpful for starters. Its not a complete list but maybe 
check out the links in each article as well. 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/C88-C13-5.pdf

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Vincent 
Orlando" <orlandovl@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Paul, thanks for the quick reply. Can you give me a quick diff.
> between the two, carbon & Ebon1 6 or a link to where I can read
> what the diff. is.
> 
> Thank again for all your hard work
> Vinny
> www.wulfsden.com
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark"
> <pr_roark@> wrote:
> >
> > > I am using a 7600 with the Mis UT7 inks.
> > > with funnel fill carts. I am about out of ink ...
> > 
> > > do you recommend a diff ink set? 
> > 
> > It's a matter of personal preference.  I use 100% carbon inksets 
> > now.  So, if it were me, I'd switch to Eboni-6 or Carbon-6.  But, 
> > that would exclude glossy printing and print tone controls are 
> > obviously less with a 100% carbon monotone.  
> > See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf
> > 
> > > I was never happy with the dmax ...
> > 
> > I never got a great dmax from my 7600 with the Epson driver.  I 
used 
> > IJC then and would probably use QTR now if I had a 7600.
> > 
> > > Do you recommend the new carbon 6 set 
> > 
> > Yes, with the caveat that it has to be considered a beta inkset.  
It 
> > simply has not been in use long enough to know what might happen 
over 
> > the long haul.  Eboni-6 may have fewer variables simply because 
the 
> > base used is a commercial base that has been more thoroughly 
tested.
> > 
> > > and how much trouble is it to clean the cart. 
> > 
> > As long as they have no sponges, they are rather easy to clean.  
I 
> > use just distilled water, then the generic base (Carbon-6 base -- 
> > see http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf ), and 
finally a 
> > little of the ink that'll be in the cart itself to rinse and 
prepare 

> > the cart.
> > 
> > Hope it works for you.
> > 
> > Paul 
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
>

>... Can you give me a quick diff.
> between the two, carbon & Ebon1 6 or a link to where I can read
> what the diff. is.


My write ups are at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf and 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf

Eboni-6 uses a commercial base from MIS.  Carbon-6 is an open-source 
base.  The surfactant in Carbon-6 is not as strong at the commerical 
base, but it's good for 3 pl printers (all but the 1.5 1800 and 1400).  
The commercial bases have some ingredients that I have not put in the 
generic one.  Biosides are probably the main one.  I, frankly, doubt 
carbon or the base will be attacked, but only time will tell.  

Visually they inks are very similar, with Carbon-6 being just a hair 
cooler.

The mix ratios are a bit different.  Carbon-6 has a simplified one that 
makes mixing without a scales much easier.

Hope this helps.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

>... Can you give me a quick diff.
> between the two, carbon & Ebon1 6 or a link to where I can read
> what the diff. is.


My write ups are at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf and 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf

Eboni-6 uses a commercial base from MIS.  Carbon-6 is an open-source 
base.  The surfactant in Carbon-6 is not as strong at the commerical 
base, but it's good for 3 pl printers (all but the 1.5 1800 and 1400).  
The commercial bases have some ingredients that I have not put in the 
generic one.  Biosides are probably the main one.  I, frankly, doubt 
carbon or the base will be attacked, but only time will tell.  

Visually they inks are very similar, with Carbon-6 being just a hair 
cooler.

The mix ratios are a bit different.  Carbon-6 has a simplified one that 
makes mixing without a scales much easier.

Hope this helps.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com