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2008-08-04 by SteveZ
I was recently at an art show where a fellow photographer strongly urged that I purchase either ImagePrint or Colorburst RIP to ensure better printer output quality especially for color. I mostly print monochrome images using the Epson 3800 stock drivers and ABW mode, and I've been very happy with the results. But lately I've been getting requests for color. Do I go ahead and take the plunge? And which version - postscript or raster?
2008-08-04 by E Neilsen
Steve, I don't think that a RIP is really required/needed with the latest generation of Epson printers. For the cost of a RIP, I think that you'll find your money better spent on Datacolor's profiling package or Colormunki. The BIGGEST advantage to a RIP like IP is the decreased spool time which can really add up in a production environment. I use IP on an older Epson, a 7000 which really does benefit from the IP superior dither for that aged machine over the Epson driver. QTR and Qimage are also at the top of the list of low cost improvements to your printing workflow. My last recommendation in the process for a low volume printer would be a RIP like IP, Colorbust, Wasatch, etc Eric Eric Neilsen Photo 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 214 827-8301 http://ericneilsenphotography.com SKype ejprinter _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SteveZ Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:14 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Should I get a RIP? I was recently at an art show where a fellow photographer strongly urged that I purchase either ImagePrint or Colorburst RIP to ensure better printer output quality especially for color. I mostly print monochrome images using the Epson 3800 stock drivers and ABW mode, and I've been very happy with the results. But lately I've been getting requests for color. Do I go ahead and take the plunge? And which version - postscript or raster? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-08-04 by SteveZ
Thanks Eric, I was thinking more for color than b&w (you mentioned QTR), the Raster version of IP is about $500 around the same price as profiling package? --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "E Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...> wrote: > > Steve, I don't think that a RIP is really required/needed with the latest > generation of Epson printers. For the cost of a RIP, I think that you'll > find your money better spent on Datacolor's profiling package or > Colormunki. The BIGGEST advantage to a RIP like IP is the decreased spool > time which can really add up in a production environment. I use IP on an > older Epson, a 7000 which really does benefit from the IP superior dither > for that aged machine over the Epson driver. > > > > QTR and Qimage are also at the top of the list of low cost improvements to > your printing workflow. My last recommendation in the process for a low > volume printer would be a RIP like IP, Colorbust, Wasatch, etc > > > > Eric > > > > Eric Neilsen Photo > > 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 > > Dallas, TX 75226 > > 214 827-8301 > > > > http://ericneilsenphotography.com > > SKype ejprinter > > > > _____ > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SteveZ > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:14 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Should I get a RIP? > > > > I was recently at an art show where a fellow photographer strongly > urged that I purchase either ImagePrint or Colorburst RIP to ensure > better printer output quality especially for color. > > I mostly print monochrome images using the Epson 3800 stock drivers and > ABW mode, and I've been very happy with the results. But lately I've
> been getting requests for color. > > Do I go ahead and take the plunge? > And which version - postscript or raster? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2008-08-04 by E Neilsen
Yes, I mentioned QTR, it can be used to make color too. It does not know what ink is in the printer, you do. It does however give you a way to control ink. That sounds about right, and with a profiling package, your B&Ws can even get a little better. Eric Neilsen Photo 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 214 827-8301 http://ericneilsenphotography.com SKype ejprinter _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SteveZ Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:55 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Should I get a RIP? Thanks Eric, I was thinking more for color than b&w (you mentioned QTR), the Raster version of IP is about $500 around the same price as profiling package? --- In DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "E Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...> wrote: > > Steve, I don't think that a RIP is really required/needed with the latest > generation of Epson printers. For the cost of a RIP, I think that you'll > find your money better spent on Datacolor's profiling package or > Colormunki. The BIGGEST advantage to a RIP like IP is the decreased spool > time which can really add up in a production environment. I use IP on an > older Epson, a 7000 which really does benefit from the IP superior dither > for that aged machine over the Epson driver. > > > > QTR and Qimage are also at the top of the list of low cost improvements to > your printing workflow. My last recommendation in the process for a low > volume printer would be a RIP like IP, Colorbust, Wasatch, etc > > > > Eric > > > > Eric Neilsen Photo > > 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 > > Dallas, TX 75226 > > 214 827-8301 > > > > http://ericneilsenp <http://ericneilsenphotography.com> hotography.com > > SKype ejprinter > > > > _____ > > From: DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SteveZ > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:14 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Should I get a RIP? > > > > I was recently at an art show where a fellow photographer strongly > urged that I purchase either ImagePrint or Colorburst RIP to ensure > better printer output quality especially for color. > > I mostly print monochrome images using the Epson 3800 stock drivers and > ABW mode, and I've been very happy with the results. But lately I've > been getting requests for color. > > Do I go ahead and take the plunge? > And which version - postscript or raster? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-08-05 by Louis Dina
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "SteveZ" <blizzie12@...> wrote: > > I was recently at an art show where a fellow photographer strongly > urged that I purchase either ImagePrint or Colorburst RIP to ensure > better printer output quality especially for color. > > I mostly print monochrome images using the Epson 3800 stock drivers and > ABW mode, and I've been very happy with the results. But lately I've > been getting requests for color. > > Do I go ahead and take the plunge? > And which version - postscript or raster? > Steve, You don't need a RIP for high quality color work. I have used half a dozen RIPs including Imageprint, ColorBurst, StudioPrint and others. RIPs are a LOT of work and in my experience, generally aren't worth the effort. I've done a lot of press work and my driver does a great job of matching the proofs from all the high quality printers I have used. Drivers and profiles are getting better all the time. My recommendation is that you use the printer driver with custom profiles for color work and save yourself a lot of money, time and effort. RIPs do, however, generally offer flexible layout options and some production gains if you print a tremendous amount and need to utilize your paper economically. Many of the newer printers do a great job even with B&W, but I think RIPs (like QTR) still offer advantages, use of different inksets, etc. My thoughts, anyway. Lou
2008-08-05 by David Whistance
I agree that you don't need a RIP with a 3800, or indeed with most recent generation printers. I find that the main benefit of a full featured RIP today is that they allow for relinearisation with changes in ink/paper batches providing the best possible print consistency from batch to batch in a production environment. I think that the big benefits that RIP's historically offered in print quality have now been all but eroded with the improvements in the OEM printer drivers and indeed ink formulations. I must admit I still like to use ColorBurst though, even for one-off prints! David Whistance
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Louis Dina Sent: 05 August 2008 03:09 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Should I get a RIP? --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "SteveZ" <blizzie12@...> wrote: > > I was recently at an art show where a fellow photographer strongly > urged that I purchase either ImagePrint or Colorburst RIP to ensure > better printer output quality especially for color. > > I mostly print monochrome images using the Epson 3800 stock drivers and > ABW mode, and I've been very happy with the results. But lately I've > been getting requests for color. > > Do I go ahead and take the plunge? > And which version - postscript or raster? > Steve, You don't need a RIP for high quality color work. I have used half a dozen RIPs including Imageprint, ColorBurst, StudioPrint and others. RIPs are a LOT of work and in my experience, generally aren't worth the effort. I've done a lot of press work and my driver does a great job of matching the proofs from all the high quality printers I have used. Drivers and profiles are getting better all the time. My recommendation is that you use the printer driver with custom profiles for color work and save yourself a lot of money, time and effort. RIPs do, however, generally offer flexible layout options and some production gains if you print a tremendous amount and need to utilize your paper economically. Many of the newer printers do a great job even with B&W, but I think RIPs (like QTR) still offer advantages, use of different inksets, etc. My thoughts, anyway. Lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-08-05 by Michael King
David, There is nothing to stop people using the Epson drivers, relinearising their (Epson or custom) profiles when they change paper/ink batches. Most profiling packages allow profile relinearisation by printing maybe 50 patchs. Epson also provides "colorbase", which is essentially a tool to relinearize the pro printer drivers. As you say, RIPs are no longer necessary to get the best quality print from modern printers. They may have other features, such as page layout that makes them useful. But there are cheaper ways (such as Qimage) of getting those features. Mike 2008/8/5 David Whistance <david.whistance@...> > I agree that you don't need a RIP with a 3800, or indeed with most > recent > generation printers. I find that the main benefit of a full featured RIP > today is that they allow for relinearisation with changes in ink/paper > batches providing the best possible print consistency from batch to batch > in > a production environment. I think that the big benefits that RIP's > historically offered in print quality have now been all but eroded with the > improvements in the OEM printer drivers and indeed ink formulations. I must > admit I still like to use ColorBurst though, even for one-off prints! > > David Whistance > > -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>]On > Behalf Of Louis Dina > Sent: 05 August 2008 03:09 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Should I get a RIP? > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>, > "SteveZ" > <blizzie12@...> wrote: > > > > I was recently at an art show where a fellow photographer strongly > > urged that I purchase either ImagePrint or Colorburst RIP to ensure > > better printer output quality especially for color. > > > > I mostly print monochrome images using the Epson 3800 stock drivers and > > ABW mode, and I've been very happy with the results. But lately I've > > been getting requests for color. > > > > Do I go ahead and take the plunge? > > And which version - postscript or raster? > > > > Steve, > > You don't need a RIP for high quality color work. I have used half a > dozen RIPs including Imageprint, ColorBurst, StudioPrint and others. > RIPs are a LOT of work and in my experience, generally aren't worth > the effort. I've done a lot of press work and my driver does a great > job of matching the proofs from all the high quality printers I have > used. Drivers and profiles are getting better all the time. My > recommendation is that you use the printer driver with custom profiles > for color work and save yourself a lot of money, time and effort. > RIPs do, however, generally offer flexible layout options and some > production gains if you print a tremendous amount and need to utilize > your paper economically. > > Many of the newer printers do a great job even with B&W, but I think > RIPs (like QTR) still offer advantages, use of different inksets, etc. > > My thoughts, anyway. > > Lou > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-08-29 by handyman856
I've seen a number of comments on this thread that one of the useful features of a RIP is the layout options. Has anybody taken a look at ImageNest? $200 for 17" handling, but it does look sweet! =Alan R. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael King" <drmrking@...> wrote: > > David, > > There is nothing to stop people using the Epson drivers, relinearising their > (Epson or custom) profiles when they change paper/ink batches. Most > profiling packages allow profile relinearisation by printing maybe 50 > patchs. > > Epson also provides "colorbase", which is essentially a tool to relinearize > the pro printer drivers. > > As you say, RIPs are no longer necessary to get the best quality print from > modern printers. They may have other features, such as page layout that > makes them useful. But there are cheaper ways (such as Qimage) of getting > those features. > > Mike > > > > > 2008/8/5 David Whistance <david.whistance@...> > > > I agree that you don't need a RIP with a 3800, or indeed with most > > recent > > generation printers. I find that the main benefit of a full featured RIP > > today is that they allow for relinearisation with changes in ink/paper > > batches providing the best possible print consistency from batch to batch > > in > > a production environment. I think that the big benefits that RIP's > > historically offered in print quality have now been all but eroded with the > > improvements in the OEM printer drivers and indeed ink formulations. I must > > admit I still like to use ColorBurst though, even for one-off prints! > > > > David Whistance > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>]On > > Behalf Of Louis Dina > > Sent: 05 August 2008 03:09 > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Should I get a RIP? > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "SteveZ" > > <blizzie12@> wrote: > > > > > > I was recently at an art show where a fellow photographer strongly > > > urged that I purchase either ImagePrint or Colorburst RIP to ensure > > > better printer output quality especially for color. > > > > > > I mostly print monochrome images using the Epson 3800 stock drivers and
> > > ABW mode, and I've been very happy with the results. But lately I've > > > been getting requests for color. > > > > > > Do I go ahead and take the plunge? > > > And which version - postscript or raster? > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > You don't need a RIP for high quality color work. I have used half a > > dozen RIPs including Imageprint, ColorBurst, StudioPrint and others. > > RIPs are a LOT of work and in my experience, generally aren't worth > > the effort. I've done a lot of press work and my driver does a great > > job of matching the proofs from all the high quality printers I have > > used. Drivers and profiles are getting better all the time. My > > recommendation is that you use the printer driver with custom profiles > > for color work and save yourself a lot of money, time and effort. > > RIPs do, however, generally offer flexible layout options and some > > production gains if you print a tremendous amount and need to utilize > > your paper economically. > > > > Many of the newer printers do a great job even with B&W, but I think > > RIPs (like QTR) still offer advantages, use of different inksets, etc. > > > > My thoughts, anyway. > > > > Lou > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2008-08-29 by Mark Savoia
Look at FitPlot (Mac only) if you want a "RIP" (it is not really one) for doing page layouts. http://digilander.libero.it/kiaradot/fitplot/index_old.html Shareware Mark http://www.stillrivereditions.com On Aug 29, 2008, at 11:47 AM, handyman856 wrote: > I've seen a number of comments on this thread that one of the useful > features of a RIP is the layout options. Has anybody taken a look at > ImageNest? $200 for 17" handling, but it does look sweet! > > =Alan R. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]