Digital BW, The Print

Anyone using these inks and/or carts in their R800/R1800 printer?
Thoughts...?

http://www.inkjetcarts.us/-strse-25/Refill-Inks-R800-R1800/Detail.bok?
sfs=57989399

http://www.inkjetcarts.us/-strse-10/Epson-R1800-R800-SP/Detail.bok?
sfs=57989399

Thanks,
Scott

Looks good... but I wonder how they can sell those carts in view of
the Epson suit. After all, MIS can no longer sell them. How do these
people do it? Just wondering ... ! But more power to them.

> Anyone using these inks and/or carts in their R800/R1800 printer?
> Thoughts...?
> 
> http://www.inkjetcarts.us/-strse-25/Refill-Inks-R800-R1800/Detail.bok?
> sfs=57989399
> 
> http://www.inkjetcarts.us/-strse-10/Epson-R1800-R800-SP/Detail.bok?
> sfs=57989399
> 
> Thanks,
> Scott
>

I bought some third party carts on Ebay for my R1800 (to fill with MIS eboni ink)
that look very much like the ones for sale by this seller. They leaked from day one
and I gave up on them pretty quickly. The empty carts I bought from MIS have 
been rock solid.

Jim Rohan

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" 
<scott_now_coming@...> wrote:

>
> Anyone using these inks and/or carts in their R800/R1800 printer?
> Thoughts...?
> 
> http://www.inkjetcarts.us/-strse-25/Refill-Inks-R800-R1800/Detail.bok?
> sfs=57989399
> 
> http://www.inkjetcarts.us/-strse-10/Epson-R1800-R800-SP/Detail.bok?
> sfs=57989399
> 
> Thanks,
> Scott
>

Scott,

 

Yes, I am using InkJetCarts products in my R1800 and have been very
satisfied.  The inks they sell for the R1800 are made by Image Specialists
and are top notch.  I am also using their $30 CIS in my  CX9400Fax
multifunction machine and am also very satisfied.  The owner, Ross, is very
knowledgeable and willing to help.  I highly recommend them.

 

Bob

bob@...

 



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Scott, I forgot to add I am also using the carts you pointed to.  I've had
no problems with them.  However, they have self-resetting chips which means
they do not indicate the true ink levels.  The reason for this is that they
allow you to refill the carts in the printer without having to remove them.
This prevents air from getting into the head during cart changes, the major
source of "missing jet" problems.  In order to do this, you need to keep
track of how many prints you've made between fillings and then refill all
the carts at once.

 

Before using these carts I had missing jets every time I changed carts.
I've not had the problem once since switching.  However, you do need to
count your prints.

 

Bob

bob@...

 



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Hi Jim,

"The empty carts I bought from MIS have
been rock solid."

See, I have the opposite problem. About 3-4 years ago, I bought MIS re-
fillable carts for my R800 and they were horrible. MIS didn't want to 
do anything about it. The carts I bought from MIS for the C-86, have 
been, as you say, rock solid.

I'm looking for carts for an Epson1400. I don't want to go the CIS 
route because I have periods of a few weeks or months when the printer 
sits idle. I'm afraid of the inks "settling". With carts, they get 
agitated when the head moves.

Scott

Hi Bob,

Do you know if you're able to mix standard carts with the ACR chip 
carts?

The ultimate for me would be to be able to use the standard "color" 
carts with an ACR chipped MK (Eboni)cart in the black position.

That way, when I need to do a "run" of color prints, I could just 
switch out the blacks.

Scott



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Marsolais" 
<bob@...> wrote:
>
> Scott, I forgot to add I am also using the carts you pointed to.  
I've had
> no problems with them.  However, they have self-resetting chips 
which means
> they do not indicate the true ink levels.  The reason for this is 
that they
> allow you to refill the carts in the printer without having to 
remove them.
> This prevents air from getting into the head during cart changes, 
the major
> source of "missing jet" problems.  In order to do this, you need to 
keep
> track of how many prints you've made between fillings and then 
refill all
> the carts at once.
> 
>  
> 
> Before using these carts I had missing jets every time I changed 
carts.
> I've not had the problem once since switching.  However, you do 
need to

> count your prints.
> 
>  
> 
> Bob
> 
> bob@...
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Sorry if I'm a nag here! but again, how do they get around the Epson
suit?!

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Whiting" 
<paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry if I'm a nag here! but again, how do they get around the Epson
> suit?!
>

I have no idea.

Scott

> ... how do they get around the Epson suit?!

I, also, don't know the answer to this. 

However, based on my experience in goverment, I'd guess Customs agency 
people simply don't think there is enough public interest here to 
warrant much if any expenditure of scarce agency resources.  Imagine if 
you were in charge of allocating limited Customs' agency budget 
dollars.  Would you instruct your agents to spend there time enforcing 
an Epson monopoly that will drive up prices to U.S. purchasers? 


Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Excellent answer!  Where reason cannot prevail, money does!

 

As far as how they can sell them, Ross told me (if my memory is correct.)
that the self-resetting carts are exempt from the court action.  I am no
expert on this and I do not know the source of Ross's information.

 

Bob

bob@...

 



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The real problem I have had with third party carts is that there doesn't seem to be any
consistency in manufacturing. If you order someone's carts six months from now
they might be a totally different design and quality from what you are getting now.
The good carts I get from MIS now were not the same carts they were selling for the 
R1800
a while back. When I find carts that work for me, I usually order extras.

Jim Rohan


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" 
<scott_now_coming@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Jim,
> 
> "The empty carts I bought from MIS have
> been rock solid."
> 
> See, I have the opposite problem. About 3-4 years ago, I bought MIS re-
> fillable carts for my R800 and they were horrible. MIS didn't want to 
> do anything about it. The carts I bought from MIS for the C-86, have 
> been, as you say, rock solid.
> 
> I'm looking for carts for an Epson1400. I don't want to go the CIS 
> route because I have periods of a few weeks or months when the printer 
> sits idle. I'm afraid of the inks "settling". With carts, they get 
> agitated when the head moves.
> 
> Scott
>

Scott

 

No, you cannot mix self-resetting carts with standard carts.  However, since
you are considering swapping carts to go from color to B&W (which I do), you
could just use two sets of self-resetting carts.  That way if you print
enough prints on the currently installed carts that you need t refill, you
would avoid air in the jets.  Your refill interval would be determined by
whatever cart currently installed has the most prints on it.

 

Bob

bob@...

 



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> The real problem I have had with third party carts is that 
> there doesn't seem to be any consistency in manufacturing. 
> If you order someone's carts six months from now
> they might be a totally different design and quality from 
> what you are getting now.

This appears to drive MIS nuts also.  A major part of the services they 
try to provide to the market is testing the carts and buying those that 
work. But, even if the samples are great, the production batch they 
receive may not be.  Then again, batch 1 may be excellent but batch 2 
not so good, and getting the Chinese companies to take back a large 
order is apparently not so simple for a company the size of MIS.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Also, recently I ordered some carts from MIS but first asked if they
were the spongeless refillables... and the MIS tech said yes, they
were. I asked him how they got around the suit and he said something
like the fact that these carts contained an ink not made by Epson that
the cart did not infringe on Epson's line of carts. Also, these did
not have the auto-reset chips. 

When these carts ran dry, I simply refilled them with my bulk supply
of Eboni ink and reset the chips. In fact, I've refilled them several
times. Voila, just as things have always been, when I ordered the
empty spongeless refillables from MIS.

In part, I've answered my own question, above, but was just curious
how this particular supplier got around the suit.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Marsolais"
<bob@...> wrote:
>
> Excellent answer!  Where reason cannot prevail, money does!
> 
>  
> 
> As far as how they can sell them, Ross told me (if my memory is
correct.)

> that the self-resetting carts are exempt from the court action.  I am no
> expert on this and I do not know the source of Ross's information.
> 
>  
> 
> Bob
> 
> bob@...
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>