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2008-08-29 by handyman856
Dumb question I guess - but (as a newbie to FA printing), I suddenly wondered - If a print is to be mounted and matted, what is the advantage of using the heavy-weight paper that a lot of the fine art papers come in? =Alan R.
2008-08-29 by Mark Savoia
Generally fine art prints are not mounted but hinged and a heavy paper will remain flatter. It is also a selling point if the prints are sold unframed, less chance of a ding and has a better "feel" to it. Mark http://www.stillrivereditions.com On Aug 29, 2008, at 12:01 PM, handyman856 wrote: > Dumb question I guess - but (as a newbie to FA printing), I suddenly > wondered - If a print is to be mounted and matted, what is the > advantage of using the heavy-weight paper that a lot of the fine art > papers come in? > > =Alan R. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-08-29 by handyman856
Mark - I've been planning to offer prints on a archival foam-core backing with mat only. When you say "not mounted" - I'm understanding you to mean "not permanently attached to the backing" - correct? Further - do you just store your "inventory" of prints flat, then mat when presentation called for? --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote:
> > Generally fine art prints are not mounted but hinged and a heavy > paper will remain flatter. It is also a selling point if the prints > are sold unframed, less chance of a ding and has a better "feel" to it. > > Mark > http://www.stillrivereditions.com > > On Aug 29, 2008, at 12:01 PM, handyman856 wrote: > > > Dumb question I guess - but (as a newbie to FA printing), I suddenly > > wondered - If a print is to be mounted and matted, what is the > > advantage of using the heavy-weight paper that a lot of the fine art > > papers come in? > > > > =Alan R. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2008-08-29 by CDTobie@aol.com
In a message dated 8/29/08 3:10:18 PM, avr@... writes:
> Mark -
>
> I've been planning to offer prints on a archival foam-core backing
> with mat only. When you say "not mounted" - I'm understanding you to
> mean "not permanently attached to the backing" - correct?
>
Yes, your method, while effective and convenient, is frowned upon by the
purists...
>
> Further - do you just store your "inventory" of prints flat, then mat
> when presentation called for?
>
The real question is whether to print an inventory at all, these days, or to
print on demand... there are a lot of advantages to making proofs, then
printing finals only when one is called for. That requires having having printers
ready to print any image in any size, on appropriate media, at any time; but
thats pretty much necessary anyways, even if you keep cabinets full of final
prints on hand.
C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@...
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2008-08-29 by Mark Savoia
Ditto. Mark http://www.stillrivereditions.com On Aug 29, 2008, at 3:18 PM, CDTobie@... wrote: > > In a message dated 8/29/08 3:10:18 PM, avr@sargasso-sea.net writes: > > >> Mark - >> >> I've been planning to offer prints on a archival foam-core backing >> with mat only. When you say "not mounted" - I'm understanding you to >> mean "not permanently attached to the backing" - correct? >> > Yes, your method, while effective and convenient, is frowned upon > by the > purists... >> >> Further - do you just store your "inventory" of prints flat, then mat >> when presentation called for? >> > The real question is whether to print an inventory at all, these > days, or to > print on demand... there are a lot of advantages to making proofs, > then > printing finals only when one is called for. That requires having > having printers > ready to print any image in any size, on appropriate media, at any > time; but > thats pretty much necessary anyways, even if you keep cabinets full > of final > prints on hand. > > C. David Tobie > WW Product Technology Manager > Digital Imaging & Home Theater > Datacolor > CDTobie@... > www.datacolor.com/Spyder3 > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you > want to go. Find your travel deal here. > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules > and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the > group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines > in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE > OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL > NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER > INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF > SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO > OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR > CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-08-29 by handyman856
Could you elaborate on "...frowned own by purists..." just a little? Do you mean a "serious" fine art print should not be matted... or what? --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/29/08 3:10:18 PM, avr@... writes: > > - > > > > I've been planning to offer prints on a archival foam-core backing > > with mat only. When you say "not mounted" - I'm understanding you to > > mean "not permanently attached to the backing" - correct? > > > Yes, your method, while effective and convenient, is frowned upon by the > purists... > > [BIG SNIP}
2008-08-29 by Mark Savoia
I think he and I mean not mounted. Ask any big gallery. Mark http://www.stillrivereditions.com On Aug 29, 2008, at 4:05 PM, handyman856 wrote: > Do you mean a "serious" fine art print should not be matted... or > what? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-08-29 by Scott Jones
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote: > > I think he and I mean not mounted. Ask any big gallery. > > Mark > http://www.stillrivereditions.com Dry Mounted prints still do just fine in galleries and out. It is an aesthetic choice.
2008-08-30 by Cdtobie
It was not the matted part I was referring to, but the foamcore mounted part. I find it a handy method, but the purists would rather see the image floating with only an archival linen hinge at the top. C. D. Tobie WW Product Technology Mngr. Digital Imaging & Home Theater DataColor.com CDTobie@DataColor.com
On Aug 29, 2008, at 4:05 PM, "handyman856" <avr@sargasso-sea.net> wrote: > Could you elaborate on "...frowned own by purists..." just a little? > Do you mean a "serious" fine art print should not be matted... or > what? > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... > wrote: >> >> >> In a message dated 8/29/08 3:10:18 PM, avr@... writes: >> >> > - >>> >>> I've been planning to offer prints on a archival foam-core backing >>> with mat only. When you say "not mounted" - I'm understanding you to >>> mean "not permanently attached to the backing" - correct? >>> >> Yes, your method, while effective and convenient, is frowned upon by > the >> purists... >>> > > [BIG SNIP} > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE “OWNE > R” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT > BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONS > EQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGE > S FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSE > S (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), R > ESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, T > HE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF Y > OUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MA > TTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2008-09-02 by Eric Neilsen
Not Mounted is a "standard" that is being imposed on the artist by galleries because the archivists have been telling them for years that it is a bad idea. What is behind that? The piece itself properly hinge mounted is easier to hold in files without the bulk of backing and matting. The quality of both of those items needs to be of high quality or the original piece may be damaged by them as well as other works in the same proximity. Are there good ways to pull off a mounted, matted print that is archival? Sure , but you'll be up against the prevailing thinking that you must NEVER do these things to a piece of art. If you want in the door, sometimes you have to play by their rules. Eric
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Savoia Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 3:09 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Why heavyweight paper? I think he and I mean not mounted. Ask any big gallery. Mark http://www.stillriv <http://www.stillrivereditions.com> ereditions.com On Aug 29, 2008, at 4:05 PM, handyman856 wrote: > Do you mean a "serious" fine art print should not be matted... or > what? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-09-03 by djon43
Galleries avoid mounted prints because the material upon which they've been mounted has often been a problem. Many of us have seen this problem in older Ansel Adams and Edward Weston prints. Crescent matte board is beautiful but it damages unless it's the 100% rag type that's hard to find and that few use. Many doubt that adhesive film protects prints from improper mount board and 100% rag surface on non-rag board does not do the job. We know dry mount tissue doesn't do the job (Adams and Weston). Dry mount tissue, glue, and adhesive films are not easily removed, so curators have to neutralize the entire print and mount to prevent continuing damage...a dangerous process. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...> wrote: > > Not Mounted is a "standard" that is being imposed on the artist by galleries > because the archivists have been telling them for years that it is a bad > idea. What is behind that? The piece itself properly hinge mounted is easier > to hold in files without the bulk of backing and matting. The quality of > both of those items needs to be of high quality or the original piece may be > damaged by them as well as other works in the same proximity. Are there good > ways to pull off a mounted, matted print that is archival? Sure , but you'll > be up against the prevailing thinking that you must NEVER do these things to
> a piece of art. > > > > If you want in the door, sometimes you have to play by their rules. > > > > Eric > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark > Savoia > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 3:09 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Why heavyweight paper? > > > > I think he and I mean not mounted. Ask any big gallery. > > Mark > http://www.stillriv <http://www.stillrivereditions.com> ereditions.com > > On Aug 29, 2008, at 4:05 PM, handyman856 wrote: > > > Do you mean a "serious" fine art print should not be matted... or > > what? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2008-09-03 by Mark Savoia
Not to mention that many prints have signatures, studio stamps, etc on the back of them. I was told by somebody at Sotheby's that what is on the back is sometimes more important them what is on the front. Mark http://www.stillrivereditions.com On Sep 3, 2008, at 8:05 AM, djon43 wrote: > > > Galleries avoid mounted prints because the material upon which they've > been mounted has often been a problem. > > Many of us have seen this problem in older Ansel Adams and Edward > Weston prints. > > Crescent matte board is beautiful but it damages unless it's the 100% > rag type that's hard to find and that few use. > > Many doubt that adhesive film protects prints from improper mount > board and 100% rag surface on non-rag board does not do the job. We > know dry mount tissue doesn't do the job (Adams and Weston). > > Dry mount tissue, glue, and adhesive films are not easily removed, so > curators have to neutralize the entire print and mount to prevent > continuing damage...a dangerous process. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]