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Working with Eboni-6

Working with Eboni-6

2008-11-18 by tcoen

Hi,

I have been working with Eboni-6 for about a month on an Epson 1400. 
I 
would like to share some observations and hopefully learn some new 
ideas for using Eboni-6 from other forum members.

The pdfs written by Paul Roark have been an excellent way to learn 
about grayscale inkjet printing, as has searching this forum. So 
thank 
you Paul and members of this forum.

I have found Eboni-6 to produce extremely smooth prints, with good 
blacks and great transitions, especially in the highlights. However, 
the color tones available are the biggest weakness to me. Not in the 
range of tinting available, but rather the greenish tint I find the 
cool inks to 
have. All observation are for PremierArt Hot Press, but I have found 
them to be generally applicable to other papers I have tried.

The warm inks (K, C and LC) are very nice. Prints made using just 
these 
three inks (or just K) in QTR are very nice, but too warm for my 
tastes.

The cool inks (M, LM and Y), however, have an unpleasant greenish 
tint. 
I find this basically rules out the possibility of cool-toned prints. 
The biggest challenge in using Eboni-6 has been to offset the warmth 
of 
K, C and LC without allowing the greenish tint to creep in.

I tried printing from Photoshop, using Color Control gamma 2.2, as 
per 
Paul Roark's suggestion, but found the shadows to have a strong green 
cast (the dMax, contrast and sharpness were excellent though). I 
spent 
many hours tweaking the CMY sliders in the Epson driver, but was 
never 
able to get an acceptable color tonality from shadows to highlights.

I also tried the QTR profiles provided by Paul Roark in message 
#94068, 
but these produced extremely bizarre results.

The best method for me has been to use QTR to produce a warm profile 
(K, C and LC) and a cool profile (K, M, LM and Y). When printing I 
use 
the QTR split blending sliders to mix the profiles. Usually about 70% 
to 80% warm, with more cool inks in the highlights. For example, the 
warm contribution might be [H, M, S] = [65%, 75%, 75%].

I realize the Eboni-6 inkset was probably not intended for split-
toning, but this works quite well for me. I find I can get almost 
neutral to pleasantly warm prints. I can post the QTR curves 
somewhere 
if anyone is interested. I wish I had a spectrometer, in order to 
better communicate these issues, but I only have a scanner, which 
isn't sensitive enough to these small shifts near neutral.

Have others come up with other methods of using Eboni-6? Also, has 
anyone found a paper where the cool inks take on a more bluish tone? 
This would be great, because then cooler images could be made.

I have a question about the inks themselves. I have read on this 
forum 
that carbon pigments are naturally warm. What then makes the cooler 
inks cool?

Best regards,
Tyler Coen

Re: Working with Eboni-6

2008-11-18 by pr_roark

Tyler Coen wrote:

> I have been working with Eboni-6 for about a month on an 
> Epson 1400. ...
> However, the color tones available are the biggest weakness 
> to me. Not in the range of tinting available, but rather 
> the greenish tint I find the cool inks ...

> The warm inks (K, C and LC) are very nice. ...
 
> The cool inks (M, LM and Y), however, have an unpleasant 
> greenish  tint. 
...

Are you sure you have Eboni-6?  It's a monotone carbon inkset with no 
cool inks.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf

The other 1400 inkset I've been involved with that MIS sells is 
UT14.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/UT14.pdf  

While UT14 does, indeed, have quite warm carbon inks, as well as a 
cool ink channel, the warm ones are in the M channel.

So, I'm not really sure what you have in that printer.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: Working with Eboni-6

2008-11-18 by ebenostby

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark"
<pr_roark@...> wrote:
>
> Tyler Coen wrote:
> 
> > I have been working with Eboni-6 for about a month on an 
> > Epson 1400. ...
> > However, the color tones available are the biggest weakness 
> > to me. Not in the range of tinting available, but rather 
> > the greenish tint I find the cool inks ...
> 
> > The warm inks (K, C and LC) are very nice. ...
>  
> > The cool inks (M, LM and Y), however, have an unpleasant 
> > greenish  tint. 
> ...
> 
> Are you sure you have Eboni-6?  It's a monotone carbon inkset with no 
> cool inks.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf
> 
> The other 1400 inkset I've been involved with that MIS sells is 
> UT14.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/UT14.pdf  
> 
> While UT14 does, indeed, have quite warm carbon inks, as well as a 
> cool ink channel, the warm ones are in the M channel.
> 
> So, I'm not really sure what you have in that printer.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

It sounds like you got the same inkset I did when I ordered pre-filled
E-6 inks for the 1400. I got warm inks in C and LC, cool inks in M and
LM, K in K, and LLK in Y. As Paul has confirmed, this isn't E-6, nor
is it UT14, so I'm sending it back. I think that MIS has mislabeled or
misfilled some cartridges.

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Working with Eboni-6

2008-11-19 by Gary Wagner

Can someone tell me if when using matte paper will be black be the same
density on UT14 as it is on Eboni-6? I am currently using UT14 with my 1400
and was thinking of trying Eboni-6 if the black would be of a higher
density.

Thanks,

Gary W. 
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Tyler Coen wrote:

> I have been working with Eboni-6 for about a month on an 
> Epson 1400. ...
> However, the color tones available are the biggest weakness 
> to me. Not in the range of tinting available, but rather 
> the greenish tint I find the cool inks ...

> The warm inks (K, C and LC) are very nice. ...

> The cool inks (M, LM and Y), however, have an unpleasant 
> greenish tint. 
...

Are you sure you have Eboni-6? It's a monotone carbon inkset with no 
cool inks. See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf

The other 1400 inkset I've been involved with that MIS sells is 
UT14. See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/UT14.pdf 

While UT14 does, indeed, have quite warm carbon inks, as well as a 
cool ink channel, the warm ones are in the M channel.

So, I'm not really sure what you have in that printer.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

 



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[Digital BW] Re: Working with Eboni-6

2008-11-19 by pr_roark

UT14 and Eboni-6 use the same black -- 100% Eboni. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Wagner" 
<gcwagner@...> wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me if when using matte paper will be black be the 
same
> density on UT14 as it is on Eboni-6? I am currently using UT14 with 
my 1400
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> and was thinking of trying Eboni-6 if the black would be of a higher
> density.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gary W. 
> 
>

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Working with Eboni-6

2008-11-20 by Gary Wagner

Paul,

If they both have the same black will a print made on matte paper with
Eboni-6 look much different than a print made on the same paper with UT14?
Does one give a better tonal range? Why would I want to use Eboni-6 instead
of UT14?  

Thanks,

Gary W. 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:04 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Working with Eboni-6

 

UT14 and Eboni-6 use the same black -- 100% Eboni. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gary Wagner" 
<gcwagner@...> wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me if when using matte paper will be black be the 
same
> density on UT14 as it is on Eboni-6? I am currently using UT14 with 
my 1400
> and was thinking of trying Eboni-6 if the black would be of a higher
> density.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gary W. 
> 
> 

 



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[Digital BW] Re: Working with Eboni-6

2008-11-20 by pr_roark

"Gary Wagner" <gcwagner@...> wrote:
>
> Paul,
> 
> If they both have the same black, will a print made on matte 
> paper with Eboni-6 look much different than a print made on
> the same paper with UT14?

If you use them in Black Only mode, they'll look identical.

> Does one give a better tonal range? 
> Why would I want to use Eboni-6 instead of UT14?  

The Eboni-6 has light ink and, thus, can print more smoothly.  
However, the 1400 is very good with black only.

While my 1400 usually does not band with BO, I think having more 
channels printing is usually a good thing.  So, if one is not 
interested in glossy printing and wants to be able to make really 
smooth prints, Eboni-6 makes sense.

I'm actually considering going to a 3-Eb6Y and 3-MK on the 1400 and 
just ignoring all the other densities.  The 3-MK 1800 workflow has 
been very successful, and the Eb6-Y is the ink I try to use the most 
of due to both smoothness and tone.  So, I might just go with a 
combination of the proven 3-MK plus best of the Eb6.  Just having 2 
inks, yet all 6 positions firing, might be a nice, easy combination.  
The ability to use QTR sliders to combine 3-MK and the Eb6-Y gives a 
lot of control over tone v. smoothness.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

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