Digital BW, The Print

Hi Tyler,

I am using the 1900 with refillable carts from Lin Exports (China).
The carts work great, apart from the autoreset - which I can only get to
happen when a cart runs out of ink.
Then it does a cleaning and as the don't all run out at the same time I end
up with needing 2 x refill sessions per 1 x refill.
Tedious waste of time and ink. It even does a cleaning cycle if you don't
remove the carts but just refill them in situ.

If you figure out how to reset your 1900 carts do let us know.
Once I decide what K7 ink set I want to mostly use I might dive in and get a
CIS system.

Are you using the 1900 with QTR?
If so can you run a test for me please so I can show Roy that's its not just
with my 1900 that the single sheet feed doesn't work.
Print some text at the top of a sheet of paper from the "manual roll rear"
single sheet feeder. What should happen is that the paper doesn't advance
enough and it prints into fresh air. You have to load the paper first before
printing.

Txs,

Mike




2008/12/19 Tyler Boley <tyler@...>

>   Bob, thanks for this write up. While working on some custom mixes I
> have been dealing with the MIS reset carts for the r1900. Just a few
> notes... on the Mac, there is no way to disable the status monitor.
> I'm pretty sure I could uninstall it the entire Epson Utility, which
> includes the monitor, but then there is no way to invoke a nozzle
> check or cleaning cycle. I do get the impression the existence of the
> utility and using it interacts with the carts in an unconvenient
> manner, forcing more low ink conditions than necessary.
> So far, I have yet to get a cart reset with by turning the 1900 off
> and on as instructed. The only way I can do it is to pretend I am
> replacing carts, which then invokes a cleaning cycle wasting lots of
> ink... just to reset.
> So, working with these things is pretty frustrating, I do more of that
> than actual printing.
> Any other user's experiences or insights would be welcome.
>
> By the way, the r1900 seems like a nice desktop printer for multi
> density K ink printing. I think the paper feed may start to require
> regular cleaning soon, like the 1400. In the Epson driver there is a
> setting for thick paper which may help, unfortunately no way to invoke
> that in QTR that I can find. Older desktop models with the thickness
> levers never seemed this touchy.
> Thanks,
> Tyler
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Bob Marsolais"
> <bob@...> wrote:
> >
> > Here are a couple of points that may help those of us using self-
> > resetting chips.
> >
> > 1) There are two types of self-resetting chips - those that reset
> > when you cycle the power (usually the oulder type) and those that
> > reset themselves when they go below a certain level. If you have the
> > later type, disable the Espon status monitor or else you printer may
> > stop printing when the INDICATED levels get too low. Disabling the
> > Epson monitor will allow you to print throught the low level
> > indication until the chip resets itself.
> >
> > 2) You cannot mix OEM, self-resetting, or manual reset chips. All
> > chips installed should be the same type. The printer will usually
> > report a bad cartridge or "cannot recognize cartridge" message if
> > chips are mixed.
> >
> > 3) Because self-resettng chips reset themselves, you never need to
> > remove the cartridge from the printer and risk getting air in the
> > jets. Just refill the carts in the printer. This is the biggest
> > reason to use this type of chip. I had more problems with air in the
> > R1800's jets than the 1280, C84, and C86 I also have owned. By not
> > having to remove the carts, the problems went away. However, you
> > need to keep track of how many pages yu've printed and refill before
> > the carts go dry. That is the down side. Once you've done it a
> > couple of times, you get used to it and it's no big deal. In fact,
> > it's faster than refilling and reinstalling carts unless you keep
> > extras on hand. But if you remove and reinstall, you risk getting
> > air in the jets...
> >
> > 4) The Espon Status program is disabled as follows from the driver
> > preferences window: from the Maintanence tab, click "Speed and
> > Progress", then check the "Disable Epson Monitor 3" box.
> >
> > My source of information is Ross Hardy at InkJetCarts.us who is very
> > helpful. They are also a good source of refillable carts and ink.
> > They sell Image Specialists inks. Ross claims (and my experience
> > verifies) they are interchangable with Epson and MIS inks. I use the
> > Image Specialist R1800 matte black interchangeably with Eboni black
> > with no mixing problems. As far as the carts go, I have not found
> > any source that ships 100% good refillable carts for the R1800.
> > Considering they all come from the same place, I am not surprized.
> > After all, consider baby food, pet food, children's toys, etc. The
> > problem is not who sells them. I must say, MIS's carts for the R1800
> > seem to be the most robust of any I've seen.
> >
>
> 
>


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Mike, I have the MIS carts, sounds like we have the exact same problem. I'll go to a CIS 
once I've settled on a mix I suppose, as you say. I have to say mixing these different K7 
sets is an education in subtle print hue, and nearly all of them attractive.
Snowed in for a day or so, will do the QTR test as soon as I get back to the studio.
At least you can preload with this thing, the 1400 does not.
Tyler


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael King" <drmrking@...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi Tyler,
> 
> I am using the 1900 with refillable carts from Lin Exports (China).
> The carts work great, apart from the autoreset - which I can only get to
> happen when a cart runs out of ink.
> Then it does a cleaning and as the don't all run out at the same time I end
> up with needing 2 x refill sessions per 1 x refill.
> Tedious waste of time and ink. It even does a cleaning cycle if you don't
> remove the carts but just refill them in situ.
> 
> If you figure out how to reset your 1900 carts do let us know.
> Once I decide what K7 ink set I want to mostly use I might dive in and get a
> CIS system.
> 
> Are you using the 1900 with QTR?
> If so can you run a test for me please so I can show Roy that's its not just
> with my 1900 that the single sheet feed doesn't work.
> Print some text at the top of a sheet of paper from the "manual roll rear"
> single sheet feeder. What should happen is that the paper doesn't advance
> enough and it prints into fresh air. You have to load the paper first before
> printing.
> 
> Txs,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2008/12/19 Tyler Boley <tyler@...>
> 
> >   Bob, thanks for this write up. While working on some custom mixes I
> > have been dealing with the MIS reset carts for the r1900. Just a few
> > notes... on the Mac, there is no way to disable the status monitor.
> > I'm pretty sure I could uninstall it the entire Epson Utility, which
> > includes the monitor, but then there is no way to invoke a nozzle
> > check or cleaning cycle. I do get the impression the existence of the
> > utility and using it interacts with the carts in an unconvenient
> > manner, forcing more low ink conditions than necessary.
> > So far, I have yet to get a cart reset with by turning the 1900 off
> > and on as instructed. The only way I can do it is to pretend I am
> > replacing carts, which then invokes a cleaning cycle wasting lots of
> > ink... just to reset.
> > So, working with these things is pretty frustrating, I do more of that
> > than actual printing.
> > Any other user's experiences or insights would be welcome.
> >
> > By the way, the r1900 seems like a nice desktop printer for multi
> > density K ink printing. I think the paper feed may start to require
> > regular cleaning soon, like the 1400. In the Epson driver there is a
> > setting for thick paper which may help, unfortunately no way to invoke
> > that in QTR that I can find. Older desktop models with the thickness
> > levers never seemed this touchy.
> > Thanks,
> > Tyler
> >
> > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoo
groups.com>,

> > "Bob Marsolais"
> > <bob@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Here are a couple of points that may help those of us using self-
> > > resetting chips.
> > >
> > > 1) There are two types of self-resetting chips - those that reset
> > > when you cycle the power (usually the oulder type) and those that
> > > reset themselves when they go below a certain level. If you have the
> > > later type, disable the Espon status monitor or else you printer may
> > > stop printing when the INDICATED levels get too low. Disabling the
> > > Epson monitor will allow you to print throught the low level
> > > indication until the chip resets itself.
> > >
> > > 2) You cannot mix OEM, self-resetting, or manual reset chips. All
> > > chips installed should be the same type. The printer will usually
> > > report a bad cartridge or "cannot recognize cartridge" message if
> > > chips are mixed.
> > >
> > > 3) Because self-resettng chips reset themselves, you never need to
> > > remove the cartridge from the printer and risk getting air in the
> > > jets. Just refill the carts in the printer. This is the biggest
> > > reason to use this type of chip. I had more problems with air in the
> > > R1800's jets than the 1280, C84, and C86 I also have owned. By not
> > > having to remove the carts, the problems went away. However, you
> > > need to keep track of how many pages yu've printed and refill before
> > > the carts go dry. That is the down side. Once you've done it a
> > > couple of times, you get used to it and it's no big deal. In fact,
> > > it's faster than refilling and reinstalling carts unless you keep
> > > extras on hand. But if you remove and reinstall, you risk getting
> > > air in the jets...
> > >
> > > 4) The Espon Status program is disabled as follows from the driver
> > > preferences window: from the Maintanence tab, click "Speed and
> > > Progress", then check the "Disable Epson Monitor 3" box.
> > >
> > > My source of information is Ross Hardy at InkJetCarts.us who is very
> > > helpful. They are also a good source of refillable carts and ink.
> > > They sell Image Specialists inks. Ross claims (and my experience
> > > verifies) they are interchangable with Epson and MIS inks. I use the
> > > Image Specialist R1800 matte black interchangeably with Eboni black
> > > with no mixing problems. As far as the carts go, I have not found
> > > any source that ships 100% good refillable carts for the R1800.
> > > Considering they all come from the same place, I am not surprized.
> > > After all, consider baby food, pet food, children's toys, etc. The
> > > problem is not who sells them. I must say, MIS's carts for the R1800
> > > seem to be the most robust of any I've seen.
> > >
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael King"
<drmrking@...> wrote:
>
...
> Are you using the 1900 with QTR?
> If so can you run a test for me please so I can show Roy that's its
not just
> with my 1900 that the single sheet feed doesn't work.
> Print some text at the top of a sheet of paper from the "manual roll
rear"
> single sheet feeder. What should happen is that the paper doesn't
advance
> enough and it prints into fresh air. You have to load the paper
first before
> printing.
> 
> Txs,

Mike, well I first have to sheepishly admit that I had neglected to
take a good look at what came with the printer, and the manual. I've
gone through so many Epsons I have become a bit assuming about my
knowledge of them. So I was initially excited that there is this feed
system for thick papers that may overcome the shortcomings of the 1400
system. 
However I was not able to make it work from QTR. Works fine from the
Epson driver when the instructions from the manual are followed. But
From QTR I just get an immediate flashing feed light when I hit print.
If I then hit that button, it backs the paper back out and continues
flashing. The only way I can then proceed is to put the paper up in
the normal feed mechanism and hit the button again, it then feeds and
prints from there.
So, from the back, I'm not even getting what you are, thin air, or on
paper. There is a new version that states QTR now supports the 1900,
and that is what I'm using. So, I can confirm rear feed with QTR is
not working for me, but I can confirm the behavior you describe.
Tyler

Hi Tyler,

Txs for trying this on the 1900.
Are you on Mac or PC?
I ran my test on Windows XP.
Also I found it was the same if I tried 1800 or 1900 (1800 was all available
on earlier version of QTR).

Just to be 100% sure you are doing the same as me, can you confirm you are
using the QTR media source "manual roll (rear)".

Txs,

Mike

2008/12/22 Tyler Boley <tyler@...>

>    --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Michael King"
> <drmrking@...> wrote:
> >
> ...
> > Are you using the 1900 with QTR?
> > If so can you run a test for me please so I can show Roy that's its
> not just
> > with my 1900 that the single sheet feed doesn't work.
> > Print some text at the top of a sheet of paper from the "manual roll
> rear"
> > single sheet feeder. What should happen is that the paper doesn't
> advance
> > enough and it prints into fresh air. You have to load the paper
> first before
> > printing.
> >
> > Txs,
>
> Mike, well I first have to sheepishly admit that I had neglected to
> take a good look at what came with the printer, and the manual. I've
> gone through so many Epsons I have become a bit assuming about my
> knowledge of them. So I was initially excited that there is this feed
> system for thick papers that may overcome the shortcomings of the 1400
> system.
> However I was not able to make it work from QTR. Works fine from the
> Epson driver when the instructions from the manual are followed. But
> From QTR I just get an immediate flashing feed light when I hit print.
> If I then hit that button, it backs the paper back out and continues
> flashing. The only way I can then proceed is to put the paper up in
> the normal feed mechanism and hit the button again, it then feeds and
> prints from there.
> So, from the back, I'm not even getting what you are, thin air, or on
> paper. There is a new version that states QTR now supports the 1900,
> and that is what I'm using. So, I can confirm rear feed with QTR is
> not working for me, but I can confirm the behavior you describe.
> Tyler
>
>  
>


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OK, can't seem to get the simplest things right today... I'm on a Mac,
so your "media source" is my "paper feed", another QTR setting I've
always ignored..
Now I can confirm same behavior... sheet properly loaded, which after
hitting print spends some time re-situating itself to the wrong spot,
proceeding then to print on air... nice trick.
It's not just your printer...
We should be doing this on the QTR list.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael King"
<drmrking@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Tyler,
> 
> Txs for trying this on the 1900.
> Are you on Mac or PC?
> I ran my test on Windows XP.
> Also I found it was the same if I tried 1800 or 1900 (1800 was all
available
> on earlier version of QTR).
> 
> Just to be 100% sure you are doing the same as me, can you confirm
you are
> using the QTR media source "manual roll (rear)".
> 
> Txs,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 2008/12/22 Tyler Boley <tyler@...>
> 
> >    --- In
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,

> > "Michael King"
> > <drmrking@> wrote:
> > >
> > ...
> > > Are you using the 1900 with QTR?
> > > If so can you run a test for me please so I can show Roy that's its
> > not just
> > > with my 1900 that the single sheet feed doesn't work.
> > > Print some text at the top of a sheet of paper from the "manual roll
> > rear"
> > > single sheet feeder. What should happen is that the paper doesn't
> > advance
> > > enough and it prints into fresh air. You have to load the paper
> > first before
> > > printing.
> > >
> > > Txs,
> >
> > Mike, well I first have to sheepishly admit that I had neglected to
> > take a good look at what came with the printer, and the manual. I've
> > gone through so many Epsons I have become a bit assuming about my
> > knowledge of them. So I was initially excited that there is this feed
> > system for thick papers that may overcome the shortcomings of the 1400
> > system.
> > However I was not able to make it work from QTR. Works fine from the
> > Epson driver when the instructions from the manual are followed. But
> > From QTR I just get an immediate flashing feed light when I hit print.
> > If I then hit that button, it backs the paper back out and continues
> > flashing. The only way I can then proceed is to put the paper up in
> > the normal feed mechanism and hit the button again, it then feeds and
> > prints from there.
> > So, from the back, I'm not even getting what you are, thin air, or on
> > paper. There is a new version that states QTR now supports the 1900,
> > and that is what I'm using. So, I can confirm rear feed with QTR is
> > not working for me, but I can confirm the behavior you describe.
> > Tyler
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Txs Tyler. I've forwarded to Roy.

2008/12/22 Tyler Boley <tyler@...>

>   OK, can't seem to get the simplest things right today... I'm on a Mac,
> so your "media source" is my "paper feed", another QTR setting I've
> always ignored..
> Now I can confirm same behavior... sheet properly loaded, which after
> hitting print spends some time re-situating itself to the wrong spot,
> proceeding then to print on air... nice trick.
> It's not just your printer...
> We should be doing this on the QTR list.
> Tyler
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Michael King"
> <drmrking@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Tyler,
> >
> > Txs for trying this on the 1900.
> > Are you on Mac or PC?
> > I ran my test on Windows XP.
> > Also I found it was the same if I tried 1800 or 1900 (1800 was all
> available
> > on earlier version of QTR).
> >
> > Just to be 100% sure you are doing the same as me, can you confirm
> you are
> > using the QTR media source "manual roll (rear)".
> >
> > Txs,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > 2008/12/22 Tyler Boley <tyler@...>
> >
> > > --- In
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "Michael King"
> > > <drmrking@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > ...
> > > > Are you using the 1900 with QTR?
> > > > If so can you run a test for me please so I can show Roy that's its
> > > not just
> > > > with my 1900 that the single sheet feed doesn't work.
> > > > Print some text at the top of a sheet of paper from the "manual roll
> > > rear"
> > > > single sheet feeder. What should happen is that the paper doesn't
> > > advance
> > > > enough and it prints into fresh air. You have to load the paper
> > > first before
> > > > printing.
> > > >
> > > > Txs,
> > >
> > > Mike, well I first have to sheepishly admit that I had neglected to
> > > take a good look at what came with the printer, and the manual. I've
> > > gone through so many Epsons I have become a bit assuming about my
> > > knowledge of them. So I was initially excited that there is this feed
> > > system for thick papers that may overcome the shortcomings of the 1400
> > > system.
> > > However I was not able to make it work from QTR. Works fine from the
> > > Epson driver when the instructions from the manual are followed. But
> > > From QTR I just get an immediate flashing feed light when I hit print.
> > > If I then hit that button, it backs the paper back out and continues
> > > flashing. The only way I can then proceed is to put the paper up in
> > > the normal feed mechanism and hit the button again, it then feeds and
> > > prints from there.
> > > So, from the back, I'm not even getting what you are, thin air, or on
> > > paper. There is a new version that states QTR now supports the 1900,
> > > and that is what I'm using. So, I can confirm rear feed with QTR is
> > > not working for me, but I can confirm the behavior you describe.
> > > Tyler
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> 
>


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