Digital BW, The Print

Hi,
PremierArt Matt BW has been disconinued and replaced with a 180gsm single-sided paper - PrmierArt Deluxe Presentation Matt:
http://www.premierimagingproducts.com/pm_mattebw.php

Seeing at 210gsm Matt BW was already on the light side, this is not good as far as I'm concerned.

Dressing it up with meaningless words like 'Deluxe' and 'Presentation' is pointless. 

They say it's whiter and has better colour gamut, but for me, this new paper is a non-starter - both because it's single-sided and too light.

I don't know what to replace the Matt BW with - there aren't many importers in New Zealand bringing in alternatives.

Richard

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   "Men are conservatives when they are least vigorous,
   or when they are most luxurious.  They are conservatives 
   after dinner."
   --Ralph Waldo Emerson

I concurr with your comments Richard....
      This paper replaced "Enhanced Matte" for me and others....This was an EXCELLENT paper for the price..It appears the only item with the "Premier" name I'll be buying in the future is their ART SHIELD protective spray..I'm really VERY disappointed that they elected to kill-off this great  paper which became my "maintstay" for both B&W proofing, and  final work as well..

Eddie Wiseman

  From: Richard Smallfield 
  To: Digital BW Print 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:21 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] PremierArt MattBW discontinued


  Hi,
  PremierArt Matt BW has been disconinued and replaced with a 180gsm single-sided paper - PrmierArt Deluxe Presentation Matt:
  http://www.premierimagingproducts.com/pm_mattebw.php

  Seeing at 210gsm Matt BW was already on the light side, this is not good as far as I'm concerned.

  Dressing it up with meaningless words like 'Deluxe' and 'Presentation' is pointless. 

  They say it's whiter and has better colour gamut, but for me, this new paper is a non-starter - both because it's single-sided and too light.

  I don't know what to replace the Matt BW with - there aren't many importers in New Zealand bringing in alternatives.

  Richard

  ____________
  www.richardsmallfield.com 

  "Men are conservatives when they are least vigorous,
  or when they are most luxurious. They are conservatives 
  after dinner."
  --Ralph Waldo Emerson


  

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Hi,
perhaps we should all write to them and tell them what we think.

It worked with Moab, who brought back Kayenta.

Richard

At 10:32 a.m. Thursday 12/02/2009, you wrote:
>I concurr with your comments Richard....
>This paper replaced "Enhanced Matte" for me and others....This was an EXCELLENT paper for the price..It appears the only item with the "Premier" name I'll be buying in the future is their ART SHIELD protective spray..I'm really VERY disappointed that they elected to kill-off this great paper which became my "maintstay" for both B&W proofing, and final work as well..
>
>Eddie Wiseman

____________
www.richardsmallfield.com 

   "A child of five would understand this.  Send someone to fetch a 
   child of five."
   --Groucho Marx

> PremierArt Matt BW has been disconinued and replaced with a 180gsm  
> single-sided paper - PrmierArt Deluxe Presentation Matt:
> http://www.premierimagingproducts.com/pm_mattebw.php

Yes, 180gsm is on the light side, but for mounted prints that in  
itself is not a deal-breaker.

I too like the double sided Matt BW, but I rarely used the "other" side.

Let's reserve judgment until we actually print on the new paper.  It  
may, in fact, turn out that for *visual* purposes the extra 30gsm was  
needed only to prevent interaction of the images on the two sides.

That having been said, I should note that my experience has been that  
210gsm papers are often inferior visually to heavier papers, even from  
the same manufacturer and within the same product line.

Myron



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Hi Myron,
I would not like to exhibit photos on such light paper, because I don't think it's going to lie flat nearly as well as the 210gsm paper.

Maybe I'll buy a box as a trial, but I remain very disappointed.

I wonder what the price difference will be and wonder if this is simply a cost-cutting exercise.

Richard

At 07:34 a.m. Friday 13/02/2009, you wrote:

>> PremierArt Matt BW has been disconinued and replaced with a 180gsm 
>> single-sided paper - PrmierArt Deluxe Presentation Matt:
>> <http://www.premierimagingproducts.com/pm_mattebw.php>http://www.premierimagingproducts.com/pm_mattebw.php
>
>Yes, 180gsm is on the light side, but for mounted prints that in 
>itself is not a deal-breaker.
>
>I too like the double sided Matt BW, but I rarely used the "other" side.
>
>Let's reserve judgment until we actually print on the new paper. It 
>may, in fact, turn out that for *visual* purposes the extra 30gsm was 
>needed only to prevent interaction of the images on the two sides.
>
>That having been said, I should note that my experience has been that 
>210gsm papers are often inferior visually to heavier papers, even from 
>the same manufacturer and within the same product line.
>
>Myron

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www.richardsmallfield.com 

   "Compassion will cure more sins than condemnation."
   --Henry Ward Beecher, preacher and writer (1813-1887) 

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Has anyone here tried Red River's  60lb. Polar Matte Double Sided, or their  60lb. Premium Matte Double Sided ?..Both are priced competitively with the discontinued Premiere C2s.. 
I've had very good results with Red River AUORA NATURAL MATTE which is "archival", and also with their 68lb ULTRA-PRO Satin which I use for both B&W and Color..

Eddie Wiseman

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Smallfield 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re:PremierArt MattBW discontinued


  Hi Myron,
  I would not like to exhibit photos on such light paper, because I don't think it's going to lie flat nearly as well as the 210gsm paper.

  Maybe I'll buy a box as a trial, but I remain very disappointed.

  I wonder what the price difference will be and wonder if this is simply a cost-cutting exercise.

  Richard

  At 07:34 a.m. Friday 13/02/2009, you wrote:

  >> PremierArt Matt BW has been disconinued and replaced with a 180gsm 
  >> single-sided paper - PrmierArt Deluxe Presentation Matt:
  >> <http://www.premierimagingproducts.com/pm_mattebw.php>http://www.premierimagingproducts.com/pm_mattebw.php
  >
  >Yes, 180gsm is on the light side, but for mounted prints that in 
  >itself is not a deal-breaker.
  >
  >I too like the double sided Matt BW, but I rarely used the "other" side.
  >
  >Let's reserve judgment until we actually print on the new paper. It 
  >may, in fact, turn out that for *visual* purposes the extra 30gsm was 
  >needed only to prevent interaction of the images on the two sides.
  >
  >That having been said, I should note that my experience has been that 
  >210gsm papers are often inferior visually to heavier papers, even from 
  >the same manufacturer and within the same product line.
  >
  >Myron

  ____________
  www.richardsmallfield.com 

  "Compassion will cure more sins than condemnation."
  --Henry Ward Beecher, preacher and writer (1813-1887) 

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Try the Smooth 205g, which is what fineart�should be printed on, 100% cotton, no oba's, wilhelm approved, not an alpha cellulose oba paper. It's like comparing enhanced matte to fineart paper??? not much comparison at all.
�
Peace, Charles.

--- On Wed, 2/11/09, Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

From: Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@...t.nz>
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] PremierArt MattBW discontinued
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:26 PM






Hi,
perhaps we should all write to them and tell them what we think.

It worked with Moab, who brought back Kayenta.

Richard

At 10:32 a.m. Thursday 12/02/2009, you wrote:
>I concurr with your comments Richard....
>This paper replaced "Enhanced Matte" for me and others....This was an EXCELLENT paper for the price..It appears the only item with the "Premier" name I'll be buying in the future is their ART SHIELD protective spray..I'm really VERY disappointed that they elected to kill-off this great paper which became my "maintstay" for both B&W proofing, and final work as well..
>
>Eddie Wiseman

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"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a 
child of five."
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