Digital BW, The Print

Hi,
in case anyone on a budget is looking for a graphics monitor, this one looks very promising - the Dell UltraSharp 2209WA 22 inch.

It's an e-IPS panel with 178 deg viewing angle and matte surface - I've found nothing comparable in the price range.

Richard

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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Smallfield 
<r.smallfield@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> in case anyone on a budget is looking for a graphics monitor, this one looks very 
promising - the Dell UltraSharp 2209WA 22 inch.
> 
> It's an e-IPS panel with 178 deg viewing angle and matte surface - I've found nothing 
comparable in the price range.
> 
> Richard
> 
> ____________
> www.richardsmallfield.com 
> 
>    "Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. 
>    Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful 
>    men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost 
>    a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated 
>    failures. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."
>    --Calvin Coolidge
>Do you know what % of RBG 1998 color space this monitor renders?

Mark

Hi Mark,
At 09:08 a.m. Friday 13/02/2009, you wrote:
>>Do you know what % of RBG 1998 color space this monitor renders?

Here is the spec sheet:
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/monitors/en/monitor-dell-2209wa-spec-sheet.pdf

Richard


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Hi Richard-

Not much there-more of an addy than a spec sheet. Why do you think this is
such a good monitor, other than the monitor type?

Bill


On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Richard Smallfield <
r.smallfield@...> wrote:

>   Hi Mark,
>
> At 09:08 a.m. Friday 13/02/2009, you wrote:
> >>Do you know what % of RBG 1998 color space this monitor renders?
>
> Here is the spec sheet:
>
> http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/monitors/en/monitor-dell-2209wa-spec-sheet.pdf
>
> Richard
>
> ____________
> www.richardsmallfield.com
>
> "The gladiator is making his plan in the arena." (i.e. too late.)
> --Lucius Annaeus Seneca, the Younger 4 B.C. - A.D. 65
>
>  
>



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According to the spec sheet the monitor achieves 83% of CIE1976 color space. If anyone can 
chime in and correct my thinking that this spec would be even a smaller percentage of 
Adobe RGB 1998 space?

Mark



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter De Smidt <pdesmidt@...> 
wrote:

>
> The monitor type is pretty important, and the comments from people on 
> various forums has been pretty positive.  It's certainly worth looking into.
>

How many adjustments does it have?  This is important for calibration.

 

Bob

 

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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: OT - New monitor on the market

 

Hi Richard-

Not much there-more of an addy than a spec sheet. Why do you think this is
such a good monitor, other than the monitor type?

Bill

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Richard Smallfield <
r.smallfield@ <mailto:r.smallfield%40paradise.net.nz> paradise.net.nz>
wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> At 09:08 a.m. Friday 13/02/2009, you wrote:
> >>Do you know what % of RBG 1998 color space this monitor renders?
>
> Here is the spec sheet:
>
> http://www.dell.
<http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/monitors/en/monitor-dell-2209
wa-spec-sheet.pdf>
com/downloads/global/products/monitors/en/monitor-dell-2209wa-spec-sheet.pdf
>
> Richard
>
> ____________
> www.richardsmallfield.com
>
> "The gladiator is making his plan in the arena." (i.e. too late.)
> --Lucius Annaeus Seneca, the Younger 4 B.C. - A.D. 65
>
> 
>

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Bill Morse
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It's the only monitor on the market in its price range with a 178 deg viewing angle and it has a non-glare surface.

I believe the gamut is not as good as the more expensive ones, but if we are printing primarily Black and White, I think other considerations like viewing angle might be more important.

Some more expensive models, like the Samsung 215TW, which have been well reviewed, have only a 170 deg viewing angle.

Richard

At 10:27 a.m. Friday 13/02/2009, you wrote:

>Hi Richard-
>
>Not much there-more of an addy than a spec sheet. Why do you think this is
>such a good monitor, other than the monitor type?
>
>Bill
>
>On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Richard Smallfield <
><mailto:r.smallfield%40paradise.net.nz>r.smallfield@....nz> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> At 09:08 a.m. Friday 13/02/2009, you wrote:
>> >>Do you know what % of RBG 1998 color space this monitor renders?
>>
>> Here is the spec sheet:
>>
>> <http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/monitors/en/monitor-dell-2209wa-spec-sheet.pdf>http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/monitors/en/monitor-dell-2209wa-spec-sheet.pdf
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> ____________
>> www.richardsmallfield.com
>>
>> "The gladiator is making his plan in the arena." (i.e. too late.)
>> --Lucius Annaeus Seneca, the Younger 4 B.C. - A.D. 65
>>
>> 
>>
>
>-- 
>Regards,
>
>Bill Morse
>Wm. Morse Editions
>
><http://www.MorseEditions.com/>http://www.MorseEditions.com/
>
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>
>

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The monitor type is pretty important, and the comments from people on 
various forums has been pretty positive.  It's certainly worth looking into.

Richard -
Can you even discern a difference of 8 degrees in the viewing angles  
of two different monitors?

You really should be paying attention to the gamut and tonal  
qualities of a monitor. Black & White is just as important
as color gamut, and IMO, a slight difference in viewing angle would  
be the least important reason for purchasing a monitor.

Clay Price



: "Richard Smallfield" -posted:
Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:41 pm (PST)

<<<It's the only monitor on the market in its price range with a 178  
deg viewing angle and it has a non-glare surface.
I believe the gamut is not as good as the more expensive ones, but if  
we are printing primarily Black and White, I think other  
considerations like viewing angle might be more important. Some more  
expensive models, like the Samsung 215TW, which have been well  
reviewed, have only a 170 deg viewing angle.>>>




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Hi Clayton,
the figure of 178 deg was got from this (admittedly brief) article:
http://web.me.com/thecolourlady/CM_Site/Knowledge_files/TPM183_LCDMonitors.pdf

My desire for a wide viewing angle may be exacerbated by the fact that at present I'm working on a laptop PC with no external monitor - so I may have less than a 170 deg viewing angle at present. However, the dedicated graphics monitors seem to be at 178 deg.

Richard

At 06:40 a.m. Saturday 14/02/2009, you wrote:


>Richard -
>Can you even discern a difference of 8 degrees in the viewing angles 
>of two different monitors?
>
>You really should be paying attention to the gamut and tonal 
>qualities of a monitor. Black & White is just as important
>as color gamut, and IMO, a slight difference in viewing angle would 
>be the least important reason for purchasing a monitor.
>
>Clay Price
>
>: "Richard Smallfield" -posted:
>Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:41 pm (PST)
>
><<<It's the only monitor on the market in its price range with a 178 
>deg viewing angle and it has a non-glare surface.
>I believe the gamut is not as good as the more expensive ones, but if 
>we are printing primarily Black and White, I think other 
>considerations like viewing angle might be more important. Some more 
>expensive models, like the Samsung 215TW, which have been well 
>reviewed, have only a 170 deg viewing angle.>>>
>
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>

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>>Can you even discern a difference of 8 degrees in the viewing angles
of two different monitors?<<

Yes, especially on wide format monitors.  You can look left and right
a relatively larger amount without seeing what appears similar to a
shift in gamma.  Same thing for up and down movements of your head. 
You will of course eventually move enough to start seeing a shift but
it takes a deliberate shifting of your position.  The difference
between a laptop and this monitor should be very satisfying!

This monitor has an amazing price. The one thing I don't know about is
how the E-IPS panel differs from the other flavors of IPS.

Richard, let us know if you get one.  I look forward to more
real-world reports on this monitor.

Doug
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