Digital BW, The Print

Hi Paul

I have been happily printing on 1400 combined with Ilford Gold Fibre.  I made a modified 
set using some of the MIS 1400 inks.  I am using the MIS UT14 Cyan, UT14 Light Cyan, 1/2 
LC-1/2Glop for my cool.  For the warm toner I am using MIS K4 PK & K4 LK.  Last position 
is Glop.  Using QTR and getting very nice results..

I am running low on the Cyan inks and am wondering if you are now recommending the 
HP PK over the MIS 1400 Cyan inks.

Also, I have read your about the user built base.  I am wondering if there is a recipe for 
user made Glop?  Since I am committed to the Ilford Gold Paper, I am definitely wanting to 
minimize the gloss differential...so I have been working on the assumption that Glop as 
the diluting agent is a help along with a glop position.  

But I gather the HP inks may have an inherently better way of dealing with gloss 
differential.

Regarding your comments about HP PK as being pretty cool...as long as it is a neutral 
cool...this works for me.  With the Ilford Gold Fibre, I have to be careful to not let it get to 
warm.  It can easily start looking like overtoned silver paper with too much of the straight 
carbon inks.  I am looking for neutral with a touch of warmth...kind of like silver selenium 
toned...just a hint of warmth.

So wondering if I should just stay with what is working or are you perceiving the HP as a 
superior system.  My assumption is that all of these b&w inks are going to be pretty good 
longevity wise.

Thanks

Phil Brouwer

"brouwerkent" <philip@...> wrote:

 
> I have been happily printing on 1400 combined with Ilford 
> Gold Fibre.  I made a modified set using some of the MIS 
> 1400 inks.  I am using the MIS UT14 Cyan, UT14 Light Cyan, 
> 1/2 LC-1/2Glop for my cool.  For the warm toner I am using 
> MIS K4 PK & K4 LK.  Last position 
> is Glop.  Using QTR and getting very nice results..
 
> I am running low on the Cyan inks and am wondering if you 
> are now recommending the HP PK over the MIS 1400 Cyan inks.

No, the MIS UT14 inks are fine in the 1400.  I would recommend you 
stick with them.

> Also, I have read your about the user built base.  I am 
> wondering if there is a recipe for user made Glop?

Not that I am aware of.

> ... I gather the HP inks may have an inherently better 
> way of dealing with gloss differential.

I'm not sure of that.  The HP PK black only I tried had rather low 
refective artifacts, but that is probably due to the black only 
printing method.  The dilute HP inks seem to have the usual amounts 
of reflective artifacts.


> ... wondering if I should just stay with what is working or 
> are you perceiving the HP as a superior system.  ...

I suspect that the HP pigments offer some benefits in some 
circumstances, but it's really too early for me to recommend them in 
the way I'm using them.  It's definitely experimental.  If you have a 
system that is working for you, I'd stick with it.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

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> > ... I gather the HP inks may have an inherently better 
> > way of dealing with gloss differential.
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That may be true of the wider carriage HP printers that have a GO 
position. However the B9180 which has no GO does not handle gloss 
differential at all well when using black and grey inks only on pk 
paper. It is fine on matt paper but not on PK paper. The HP PK, in my 
view, needs GO on PK papers.