Digital BW, The Print

Epson just announced some new matte papers:

http://epson.ipressroom.com/pr/epson/professional-imaging/ 
Fine_Art_Papers.aspx

Supposed to have richer blacks :-)

Jim

That sure does not say much for saying so much. Guess we will have to  
wait to try some.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Mar 1, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Jim Goshorn wrote:

> Epson just announced some new matte papers:
>
> http://epson.ipressroom.com/pr/epson/professional-imaging/
> Fine_Art_Papers.aspx
>
> Supposed to have richer blacks :-)
>
> Jim

> 
> > Epson just announced some new matte papers:
> >
> > http://epson.ipressroom.com/pr/epson/professional-imaging/
> > Fine_Art_Papers.aspx
> >
> > Supposed to have richer blacks :-)


I wonder if the new coating is related to that on the new Premier 
Imaging Generations Alise papers.  A 1.74 dmax on a whole range of 
matte papers would be (and is) nice.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

My information is that Epson merely is re-naming papers to eliminate brand  
names other than Epson. Same papers with an Epson name. Premier Art canvas is  
now wearing an Epson label.
 
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, CorrPro96@... wrote:
>
> My information is that Epson merely is re-naming papers to eliminate
brand  
> names other than Epson. Same papers with an Epson name. Premier Art
canvas is  
> now wearing an Epson label.

I've always been confused the Premier Art Matte Scrapbook for Epson
paper... there's a little superscript TM after the word Art, too...
makes me wonder who makes it. And the phrase "for Epson" sounds like
Premier Art made _for_ Epson, so maybe it's not made _by_ Epson.

I just read the fine print down at the bottom of the package... it
says manufactered by Premier Imaging Products.

Yet in threads here I seem to recall hearing it referred to as an
Epson paper.

Paul

> I've always been confused the Premier Art Matte Scrapbook for Epson
> paper... there's a little superscript TM after the word Art, too...
> makes me wonder who makes it. ...

I doubt Epson manufactures any paper.  For example, Epson Premier Art 
Scrapbook paper is made pursuant to a contract with Premier Imaging 
(I'm not sure they actually manufacture their paper either) and is 
the same as Premier Art Smooth (was Hot Press) 205.  The "co-
branding" of the Epson Premier Art Scrapbook was negotiated between 
the companies.  I've assumed it was a deal Premier Imaging made, 
perhaps in return for better pricing, to get its name advertised.  As 
a practical matter, the main difference between the Premier v. Epson 
versions of Scrapbook relate to the fact that Epson gets the outer 
part of the large rolls, such that it is flatter.

For some papers, such as Epson UltraSmooth, Epson negotiates an 
exclusive on some aspect of the paper.  For UltraSmooth, it was the 
weight of the paper.  Premier Imaging could sell the same basic paper 
as it's PA Hot Press/Smooth 270 and 325, but not as a 250 gsm paper.

Another effect of Epson's branding is that it freezes the specs of 
the paper so that profiling is as consistent as possible.  Here the 
result *may* be that the non-Epson versions incorporate improvements 
that the Epson version does not include.  I find, for example, that 
PA 325 with at least some of my printers has a nice high-1.60's dmax, 
whereas I don't think the Epson UltraSmooth ever did that well with 
respect to dmax. I suspect some of the name changes in papers, for 
example, EEM to UPPM, and PA "Hot Press" to "Smooth" relate to some 
incremental change in the paper.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark"
<pr_roark@...> wrote:
>
>  
> > I've always been confused the Premier Art Matte Scrapbook for Epson
> > paper... there's a little superscript TM after the word Art, too...
> > makes me wonder who makes it. ...
> 
> I doubt Epson manufactures any paper.  For example, Epson Premier Art 
> Scrapbook paper is made pursuant to a contract with Premier Imaging 
> (I'm not sure they actually manufacture their paper either) and is 
> the same as Premier Art Smooth (was Hot Press) 205.  The "co-
> branding" of the Epson Premier Art Scrapbook was negotiated between 
> the companies.  I've assumed it was a deal Premier Imaging made, 
> perhaps in return for better pricing, to get its name advertised.  

Epson claims that these papers use a special Epson engineered coating
for superior performance. I still don't buy that line.

they call it "signature worthy".  what does that mean?  are their other papers not "signature worthy"?

On Mar 6, 2009, at 9:39 PM, c1asia wrote:

> they call it "signature worthy".  what does that mean?  are their  
> other papers not "signature worthy"?

I think they are using that term to denote what they consider to be  
one of their higher quality papers. They consider Exhibition Fiber to  
be the best of the glossy papers and given the popularity of the fine  
art matte papers, they needed top of the line for them as well.

Jim