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Imac Screen

2009-07-14 by mcenigma

Hello,

 I am sure that somebody on the group have and Imac, I got one and I am so frustrated, no matter what I do ( xrite, spider, etc ) the screen is really bright.. I have it to the lower value and still to bright.

 I send some e-mails to apple and there answere is ( change the light on the print view to more bright )

 NAPP ( national asosiation of photoshop ) tec suport told me, yes is a problem and no solution.

 ... so does anybody have a solution of this problem?

 thanks
 
 Juan

Re: [Digital BW] Imac Screen

2009-07-14 by C D Tobie

On Jul 14, 2009, at 12:19 PM, mcenigma wrote:

> I am sure that somebody on the group have and Imac, I got one and I  
> am so frustrated, no matter what I do ( xrite, spider, etc ) the  
> screen is really bright.. I have it to the lower value and still to  
> bright.
>
> I send some e-mails to apple and there answere is ( change the light  
> on the print view to more bright )
>
> NAPP ( national asosiation of photoshop ) tec suport told me, yes is  
> a problem and no solution.
>
> ... so does anybody have a solution of this problem?

The best solution (and the one you don't want to hear about) is not to  
use iMacs for serious image editing. But, the larger iMac does have a  
better grade of screen than the smaller model, though still not as  
good as the Cinema Displays. You can start by increasing your ambient  
(room) lighting, to make a better balance between the lowest the iMac  
setting and the ambient lighting. We plan to offer brightness-dimming- 
in-software functionality in an upcoming version of our Spyder3  
products, mostly to deal with these insufficiently dimmable iMacs  
(though dimming displays in software is a compromise). In the  
meantime, the software that currently offers this capability is  
ColorEyes Display, which can be used with the Spyder3, if you already  
have one, or purchased with a Spyder3 if you do not.

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
CDTobie@...


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Datacolor
www.datacolor.com/Spyder3



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Re: [Digital BW] Imac Screen

2009-07-14 by jim kitchen

Dear Juan,

Take a look at this software...

<http://www.integrated-color.com/cedpro/coloreyesdisplay.html>

It will do what you ask regarding the screen brightness and monitor
calibration. You can buy the software alone, or the kit with a puck.

jim k



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Re: [Digital BW] Imac Screen

2009-07-14 by mike-theprint@waspfactory.org

Hi,

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 04:19:11PM -0000, mcenigma wrote:
>  I am sure that somebody on the group have and Imac, I got one and I
>  am so frustrated, no matter what I do ( xrite, spider, etc ) the
>  screen is really bright.. I have it to the lower value and still to
>  bright.

>  ... so does anybody have a solution of this problem?

Does your iMac support a secondary display? If so, buy a high-quality
LCD and do your image editing on that.

-- 
  | Mike Acar |                                | mike at waspfactory dot org |

Re: Imac Screen

2009-07-14 by jesse.boles

I was just talking to someone at my local photo shop about this apparently color eyes profiling software can lower the brightness beyond normal adjustments during the profiling software, you can download a trial version and it supports most colorimeter/spectros.  Haven't tried it myself and don't own an imac. Not even sure how we got on the topic. The website is http://www.integrated-color.com/cedpro/coloreyesdisplay.html

Hope it works,
Jesse


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mcenigma" <mcenigma@...> wrote:
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>
> Hello,
> 
>  I am sure that somebody on the group have and Imac, I got one and I am so frustrated, no matter what I do ( xrite, spider, etc ) the screen is really bright.. I have it to the lower value and still to bright.
> 
>  I send some e-mails to apple and there answere is ( change the light on the print view to more bright )
> 
>  NAPP ( national asosiation of photoshop ) tec suport told me, yes is a problem and no solution.
> 
>  ... so does anybody have a solution of this problem?
> 
>  thanks
>  
>  Juan
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Imac Screen

2009-07-14 by Mark Savoia

I have color eyes and it does work on my iMac screen. It does have a  
preset in the software for iMacs. Only big issue is where to place the  
puck, the brightness from left screen to right is almost a full f/stop  
(after three replacements from Apple). I will never get one for  
critical work again, sticking with my Eizos.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com
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On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:11 PM, jesse.boles wrote:

> I was just talking to someone at my local photo shop about this  
> apparently color eyes profiling software can lower the brightness  
> beyond normal adjustments during the profiling software, you can  
> download a trial version and it supports most colorimeter/spectros.   
> Haven't tried it myself and don't own an imac. Not even sure how we  
> got on the topic. The website is http://www.integrated-color.com/cedpro/coloreyesdisplay.html
>
> Hope it works,
> Jesse
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mcenigma"  
> <mcenigma@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am sure that somebody on the group have and Imac, I got one and I  
>> am so frustrated, no matter what I do ( xrite, spider, etc ) the  
>> screen is really bright.. I have it to the lower value and still to  
>> bright.
>>
>> I send some e-mails to apple and there answere is ( change the  
>> light on the print view to more bright )
>>
>> NAPP ( national asosiation of photoshop ) tec suport told me, yes  
>> is a problem and no solution.
>>
>> ... so does anybody have a solution of this problem?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Juan
>>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Imac Screen

2009-07-14 by C D Tobie

On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:11 PM, jesse.boles wrote:

> I was just talking to someone at my local photo shop about this  
> apparently color eyes profiling software can lower the brightness  
> beyond normal adjustments during the profiling software, you can  
> download a trial version and it supports most colorimeter/spectros.   
> Haven't tried it myself and don't own an imac. Not even sure how we  
> got on the topic. The website is http://www.integrated-color.com/cedpro/coloreyesdisplay.html
>
> Hope it works,

It works, but it loses you levels in the process. If you dim the  
display to half its lowest physical setting, then you have lost half  
the available levels; instead of being able to display 256 levels, you  
can only display 128. Thats the compromise this entails.

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
CDTobie@...


Datacolor
www.datacolor.com/Spyder3



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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Imac Screen

2009-07-15 by Platinum Jim

C. David:  I have Spyder 3 and an Apple Cinema display, but the lowest I can go is 120 or so.  Will the Datacolor solution still maintain 256 levels even though it might use 80 or 90 for the Cinema display?  When will the Datacolor solution be ready?  Thanks in advance.  Jim
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  From: C D Tobie 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Imac Screen






  On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:11 PM, jesse.boles wrote:

  > I was just talking to someone at my local photo shop about this 
  > apparently color eyes profiling software can lower the brightness 
  > beyond normal adjustments during the profiling software, you can 
  > download a trial version and it supports most colorimeter/spectros. 
  > Haven't tried it myself and don't own an imac. Not even sure how we 
  > got on the topic. The website is http://www.integrated-color.com/cedpro/coloreyesdisplay.html
  >
  > Hope it works,

  It works, but it loses you levels in the process. If you dim the 
  display to half its lowest physical setting, then you have lost half 
  the available levels; instead of being able to display 256 levels, you 
  can only display 128. Thats the compromise this entails.

  C. David Tobie
  Global Product Technology Manager
  Digital Imaging & Home Theater
  CDTobie@...

  Datacolor
  www.datacolor.com/Spyder3

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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Imac Screen

2009-07-15 by C D Tobie

On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:31 PM, Platinum Jim wrote:

> C. David:  I have Spyder 3 and an Apple Cinema display, but the  
> lowest I can go is 120 or so.  Will the Datacolor solution still  
> maintain 256 levels even though it might use 80 or 90 for the Cinema  
> display?

I am certainly agitating with the OS manufacturers and other related  
companies to provide a high-bit videostream, so that software dimming  
will no longer cost levels and cause potential posterization. But at  
this time software dimming (beyond what the hardware controls can do)  
still has to work by losing levels, so the more you have to dim in  
software, the more levels you have lost. No magic, just a compromise...


>  When will the Datacolor solution be ready?

Sorry, I can't provide dates for future features. Just wanted to note  
that its on our radar screen, since its becoming a more common issue...

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
CDTobie@...


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Datacolor
www.datacolor.com/Spyder3



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[Digital BW] Re: Imac Screen

2009-07-15 by Howard

As everyone noted, you can't lower the iMac screen enough in hardware.

and yes, there is also a significant brightness difference across the screen.

ColorEyes (or BasicColor) adjust all 3 primaries to lower the brightness but that affects the overall levels.

In the end, I got a Dell 2209WA to use as my proofing monitor.  it was only slightly more than just the ColorEyes software and it solved all the problems.

[Digital BW] Re: Imac Screen

2009-07-15 by photog0946

Here's a little app that will lower the brightness of your display. It may or may not work the way you need for image editing, but I've tried it and it certainly does dim the display. I would not suggest be overly aggressive with it, since it may also create other issues. The loss of levels is something you may want to be aware of. I don't use it, but it just might be what you need as a workaround until you can solve this issue in another manner. The name of the app is "Shades" and it's free, but you can donate if you find it useful. I've included the link below.

http://www.charcoaldesign.co.uk/shades

Gary



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> As everyone noted, you can't lower the iMac screen enough in hardware.
> 
> and yes, there is also a significant brightness difference across the screen.
> 
> ColorEyes (or BasicColor) adjust all 3 primaries to lower the brightness but that affects the overall levels.
> 
> In the end, I got a Dell 2209WA to use as my proofing monitor.  it was only slightly more than just the ColorEyes software and it solved all the problems.
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Imac Screen

2009-07-15 by Mark Savoia

It really messes up a monitor profile. Beware.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com
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On Jul 15, 2009, at 5:26 PM, photog0946 wrote:

> Here's a little app that will lower the brightness of your display.  
> It may or may not work the way you need for image editing, but I've  
> tried it and it certainly does dim the display. I would not suggest  
> be overly aggressive with it, since it may also create other issues.  
> The loss of levels is something you may want to be aware of. I don't  
> use it, but it just might be what you need as a workaround until you  
> can solve this issue in another manner. The name of the app is  
> "Shades" and it's free, but you can donate if you find it useful.  
> I've included the link below.
>
> http://www.charcoaldesign.co.uk/shades
>
> Gary

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Imac Screen

2009-07-16 by Cdtobie

This app trashes your calibration LUTs; it is totally incompatible  
with color management.

C. D. Tobie
Global Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor.com
CDTobie@...
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On Jul 15, 2009, at 5:26 PM, "photog0946" <photog0946@...> wrote:

> Here's a little app that will lower the brightness of your display.  
> It may or may not work the way you need for image editing, but I've  
> tried it and it certainly does dim the display. I would not suggest  
> be overly aggressive with it, since it may also create other issues.  
> The loss of levels is something you may want to be aware of. I don't  
> use it, but it just might be what you need as a workaround until you  
> can solve this issue in another manner. The name of the app is  
> "Shades" and it's free, but you can donate if you find it useful.  
> I've included the link below.
>
> http://www.charcoaldesign.co.uk/shades
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Howard"  
> <howardm4@...> wrote:
>>
>> As everyone noted, you can't lower the iMac screen enough in  
>> hardware.
>>
>> and yes, there is also a significant brightness difference across  
>> the screen.
>>
>> ColorEyes (or BasicColor) adjust all 3 primaries to lower the  
>> brightness but that affects the overall levels.
>>
>> In the end, I got a Dell 2209WA to use as my proofing monitor.  it  
>> was only slightly more than just the ColorEyes software and it  
>> solved all the problems.
>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Imac Screen

2009-07-16 by renato cury

Would a " true" neutral filter ( which is neutral for LDCs spectra and 5000K? Rosco or Lee Neutral filters are not for their color temperature. They are made neutral  for 3200K )  or a polarizer, like 3M's Vikuiti ( if it does not introduce a color bias, too ) work ? I did'nt give it a try cause I still use my olds CRTs ( and cheap LDCs only as a second monitor, just for the tools, not images ) .  Just an idea ...

         Renato

         

--- Em qua, 15/7/09, Mark Savoia <mark@...> escreveu:

De: Mark Savoia <mark@...>
Assunto: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Imac Screen
Para: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Data: Quarta-feira, 15 de Julho de 2009, 19:54












 
 




    
                  It really messes up a monitor profile. Beware.



Mark

http://www.stillriv ereditions. com



On Jul 15, 2009, at 5:26 PM, photog0946 wrote:



> Here's a little app that will lower the brightness of your display.  

> It may or may not work the way you need for image editing, but I've  

> tried it and it certainly does dim the display. I would not suggest  

> be overly aggressive with it, since it may also create other issues.  

> The loss of levels is something you may want to be aware of. I don't  

> use it, but it just might be what you need as a workaround until you  

> can solve this issue in another manner. The name of the app is  

> "Shades" and it's free, but you can donate if you find it useful.  

> I've included the link below.

>

> http://www.charcoal design.co. uk/shades

>

> Gary




 

      

    
    
	
	 
	
	




	




	
	


	
	
	




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[Digital BW] Re: Imac Screen

2009-07-16 by Greg

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, renato cury <yrucotaner@...> wrote:
>
> Would a " true" neutral filter ( which is neutral for LDCs spectra and 5000K? Rosco or Lee Neutral filters are not for their color temperature. 

Any ND filter that you put in place and calibrate/profile through should be fine, but they do fade unless you get the extremely expensive Rosco di-chroic filters that they recently introduced. I tried to get some samples of their colored di-chroic filters and they said it was so new that they didn't have any samples available, and then when I saw the price I decided we could go a long way with gels and still not hit the price point of the di-cro material.

Disadvantages would be the shiny surface and almost impossible to keep the "wrinkles" flat.

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