Yahoo Groups archive
Thread
2009-12-21 by JorgeG
Folks, I have some issues and questions regarding the calibration of my monitor. Can I post my concerns and questions in this forum? Otherwise, do you any suggestions where can I post my questions? You help is greatly appreciated? jorge
2009-12-22 by C D Tobie
On Dec 21, 2009, at 10:27 AM, JorgeG wrote: > I have some issues and questions regarding the calibration of my > monitor. Can I post my concerns and questions in this forum? > Otherwise, do you any suggestions where can I post my questions? Monitor calibration is at least as important for B&W work as for color, plus a few specialized B&W issues, so its certainly appropriate here. If it has to do with Spyder products, then the Datacolor Users List at Yahoo Lists would be the most obvious list to ask on, but you'll get responses from me on either one... > > You help is greatly appreciated? Is that a question? C. David Tobie Global Product Technology Manager Digital Imaging & Home Theater CDTobie@... ---------- Datacolor www.datacolor.com/Spyder3 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-12-23 by John Slaughterbeck
Ok, I give up, can you post a link to the Datacolor group, I've been searching all day
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of C D Tobie Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:36 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Calibrating my monitor On Dec 21, 2009, at 10:27 AM, JorgeG wrote: > I have some issues and questions regarding the calibration of my > monitor. Can I post my concerns and questions in this forum? > Otherwise, do you any suggestions where can I post my questions? Monitor calibration is at least as important for B&W work as for color, plus a few specialized B&W issues, so its certainly appropriate here. If it has to do with Spyder products, then the Datacolor Users List at Yahoo Lists would be the most obvious list to ask on, but you'll get responses from me on either one... > > You help is greatly appreciated? Is that a question? C. David Tobie Global Product Technology Manager Digital Imaging & Home Theater CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40datacolor.com> ---------- Datacolor www.datacolor.com/Spyder3 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-12-23 by bwinkjet
Hi, http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/datacolor_group Paul --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Slaughterbeck" <jslaughterbeck1@...> wrote:
> > Ok, I give up, can you post a link to the Datacolor group, I've been > searching all day > > >
2009-12-23 by John Slaughterbeck
Got it, thank you
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bwinkjet Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:23 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Calibrating my monitor Hi, http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/datacolor_group Paul --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "John Slaughterbeck" <jslaughterbeck1@...> wrote: > > Ok, I give up, can you post a link to the Datacolor group, I've been > searching all day > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-12-31 by Jorge Gaj
David & others Thank you very much for you response. I didn't want to ask questions in the wrong group. In the near future I will be asking many questions since I'm trying to get back to photography, and my interests are related to B&W digital photography. I have read several sites regarding the calibration of the computer monitors and I'm trying to fully understand the steps required to calibrate my monitor. Let me start be listing my equipment involved in the calibration of my monitor: I have a PC with a new Gigabyte motherboard, which includes the video card on-board. The software is ATI Radeon 4300. My monitor is a Samsung SyncMaster 204T and I have installed it software Natural Color. I also have the ColorVision Spyder 2 Express. I have read that it is best to not use the software of the video card and instead use the monitor adjustments. Shall I use the Natural Color software or the use the keys (brightness, contrasts, etc.) on the monitor to adjust the colors? Or will the Spyder 2 Express do everything for me? I'm somewhat confused with the process and I need some advice. Hope you all have a wonderful new years and let 2010 brings us some wonderful B&W photos. jorge Regards from Sacramento, Jorge jorgegaj@... or pegasus@surewest.net ________________________________
From: C D Tobie <CDTobie@aol.com> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 9:36:27 AM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Calibrating my monitor On Dec 21, 2009, at 10:27 AM, JorgeG wrote: > I have some issues and questions regarding the calibration of my > monitor. Can I post my concerns and questions in this forum? > Otherwise, do you any suggestions where can I post my questions? Monitor calibration is at least as important for B&W work as for color, plus a few specialized B&W issues, so its certainly appropriate here. If it has to do with Spyder products, then the Datacolor Users List at Yahoo Lists would be the most obvious list to ask on, but you'll get responses from me on either one... > > You help is greatly appreciated? Is that a question? C. David Tobie Global Product Technology Manager Digital Imaging & Home Theater CDTobie@datacolor. com ---------- Datacolor www.datacolor. com/Spyder3 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-12-31 by Cdtobie
On Dec 31, 2009, at 9:52 AM, Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@...> wrote: > David & others > > Thank you very much for you response. I didn't want to ask questions > in the wrong group. In the near future I will be asking many > questions since I'm trying to get back to photography, and my > interests are related to B&W digital photography. > > I have read several sites regarding the calibration of the computer > monitors and I'm trying to fully understand the steps required to > calibrate my monitor. > > Let me start be listing my equipment involved in the calibration of > my monitor: > > I have a PC with a new Gigabyte motherboard, which includes the > video card on-board. The software is ATI Radeon 4300. My monitor > is a Samsung SyncMaster 204T and I have installed it software > Natural Color. I also have the ColorVision Spyder 2 Express. > > I have read that it is best to not use the software of the video > card and instead use the monitor adjustments. Shall I use the > Natural Color software or the use the keys (brightness, contrasts, > etc.) on the monitor to adjust the colors? Or will the Spyder 2 > Express do everything for me? I would be tempted to suggest not loading any of the Samsung Utilities, as they may conflict with your color management. But I'll paste a reply from elsewhere that offers a more detailed description of which components to definately avoid, and which ones might be of use. CDT <<Regarding calibration of recent Samsung monitors: for better or for worse, Samsung has replaced the traditional on-display adjustments for backlight, contrast, and more, with a software-only solution they call Magic Tune. No more buttons on the monitor itself. Any adjustment to backlight, contrast, RGB sliders, and possibly global temperature if available for your monitor, will have to be done from Magic Tune. You therefore must have it installed. However, there are some functions of Magic Tune that will interfere with hardware calibration: Magic Bright is one, Magic Color is another. Disable both. From Magic Tune, you can also launch a software-only gamma adjustment application. It is very similar to other such applications, like Adobe Gamma, in which the user is presented with striped squares inside of squares, and asked to make visual adjustments. Good, sometimes, but your hardware calibrator is supposed to be much, much better. You can discard the LCD Gamma application altogether, and at the very least, not launch it. Similar to Adobe gamma loader, it may already be in your startup apps. CodeStuff Starter, and other free utilities, can give you a better view of all you startup applications. Finally, Natural Color is a color (not gamma) calibration software solution that is independent of Magic Tune. The same as for software calibration of gamma applies here: since you have a hardware calibrator, there is no need for the software. Having used Magic Tune, I should add that the clock and phase adjustments (mysteriously labeled 'coarse' and 'fine'), are very finicky. You can get them right instantly by going to:http:// www.techmind.org/lcd/phasing.html, and with that page displayed on your monitor, click the 'auto adjustment' button on that panel of Magic Tune.>> > > > I'm somewhat confused with the process and I need some advice. > > Hope you all have a wonderful new years and let 2010 brings us some > wonderful B&W photos. > > jorge > > Regards from Sacramento, > > Jorge > > jorgegaj@... or pegasus@... > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: C D Tobie <CDTobie@...> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 9:36:27 AM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Calibrating my monitor > > > > On Dec 21, 2009, at 10:27 AM, JorgeG wrote: > >> I have some issues and questions regarding the calibration of my >> monitor. Can I post my concerns and questions in this forum? >> Otherwise, do you any suggestions where can I post my questions? > > Monitor calibration is at least as important for B&W work as for > color, plus a few specialized B&W issues, so its certainly appropriate > here. If it has to do with Spyder products, then the Datacolor Users > List at Yahoo Lists would be the most obvious list to ask on, but > you'll get responses from me on either one... >> >> You help is greatly appreciated? > > Is that a question? > > C. David Tobie > Global Product Technology Manager > Digital Imaging & Home Theater > CDTobie@datacolor. com > > ---------- > > Datacolor > www.datacolor. com/Spyder3 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER > AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-01-01 by Jorge Gaj
CDT, Thank you very much for your reply. I will carefully read the reply you have included in this email. Also, I need to reread the manual for my Spyder2 Express and see what I need to do to calibrate my monitor. I'm trying to get back to photography and at this time I'm feeling like a juggler, trying to learn about Camera Raw, Photoshop CS4, dedicated b&w printers, QuadToneRIP, and calibrating my monitor. But, after I retire on April 30th, I'll more time to dedicate to photography. Hopefully, the to do list to my wife plans to give me will be small. Thanks once again, Regards from Sacramento, Jorge jorgegaj@... or pegasus@... ________________________________
From: Cdtobie <CDTobie@...> To: "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 12:04:35 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Calibrating my monitor On Dec 31, 2009, at 9:52 AM, Jorge Gaj <jorgegaj@yahoo. com> wrote: > David & others > > Thank you very much for you response. I didn't want to ask questions > in the wrong group. In the near future I will be asking many > questions since I'm trying to get back to photography, and my > interests are related to B&W digital photography. > > I have read several sites regarding the calibration of the computer > monitors and I'm trying to fully understand the steps required to > calibrate my monitor. > > Let me start be listing my equipment involved in the calibration of > my monitor: > > I have a PC with a new Gigabyte motherboard, which includes the > video card on-board. The software is ATI Radeon 4300. My monitor > is a Samsung SyncMaster 204T and I have installed it software > Natural Color. I also have the ColorVision Spyder 2 Express. > > I have read that it is best to not use the software of the video > card and instead use the monitor adjustments. Shall I use the > Natural Color software or the use the keys (brightness, contrasts, > etc.) on the monitor to adjust the colors? Or will the Spyder 2 > Express do everything for me? I would be tempted to suggest not loading any of the Samsung Utilities, as they may conflict with your color management. But I'll paste a reply from elsewhere that offers a more detailed description of which components to definately avoid, and which ones might be of use. CDT <<Regarding calibration of recent Samsung monitors: for better or for worse, Samsung has replaced the traditional on-display adjustments for backlight, contrast, and more, with a software-only solution they call Magic Tune. No more buttons on the monitor itself. Any adjustment to backlight, contrast, RGB sliders, and possibly global temperature if available for your monitor, will have to be done from Magic Tune. You therefore must have it installed. However, there are some functions of Magic Tune that will interfere with hardware calibration: Magic Bright is one, Magic Color is another. Disable both. From Magic Tune, you can also launch a software-only gamma adjustment application. It is very similar to other such applications, like Adobe Gamma, in which the user is presented with striped squares inside of squares, and asked to make visual adjustments. Good, sometimes, but your hardware calibrator is supposed to be much, much better. You can discard the LCD Gamma application altogether, and at the very least, not launch it. Similar to Adobe gamma loader, it may already be in your startup apps. CodeStuff Starter, and other free utilities, can give you a better view of all you startup applications. Finally, Natural Color is a color (not gamma) calibration software solution that is independent of Magic Tune. The same as for software calibration of gamma applies here: since you have a hardware calibrator, there is no need for the software. Having used Magic Tune, I should add that the clock and phase adjustments (mysteriously labeled 'coarse' and 'fine'), are very finicky. You can get them right instantly by going to:http:// www.techmind. org/lcd/phasing. html, and with that page displayed on your monitor, click the 'auto adjustment' button on that panel of Magic Tune.>> > > > I'm somewhat confused with the process and I need some advice. > > Hope you all have a wonderful new years and let 2010 brings us some > wonderful B&W photos. > > jorge > > Regards from Sacramento, > > Jorge > > jorgegaj@yahoo. com or pegasus@surewest. net > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: C D Tobie <CDTobie@aol. com> > To: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 9:36:27 AM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Calibrating my monitor > > > > On Dec 21, 2009, at 10:27 AM, JorgeG wrote: > >> I have some issues and questions regarding the calibration of my >> monitor. Can I post my concerns and questions in this forum? >> Otherwise, do you any suggestions where can I post my questions? > > Monitor calibration is at least as important for B&W work as for > color, plus a few specialized B&W issues, so its certainly appropriate > here. If it has to do with Spyder products, then the Datacolor Users > List at Yahoo Lists would be the most obvious list to ask on, but > you'll get responses from me on either one... >> >> You help is greatly appreciated? > > Is that a question? > > C. David Tobie > Global Product Technology Manager > Digital Imaging & Home Theater > CDTobie@datacolor. com > > ---------- > > Datacolor > www.datacolor. com/Spyder3 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/DigitalBla ckandWhiteThePri nt > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the > Files section: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/DigitalBla ckandWhiteThePri nt/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER > AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]