Digital BW, The Print

Please excuse duplication of info on other list posts-

Pictorico Gekko Green-
http://diamond-jet.com/gekkogreen.aspx
Despite some serious drawbacks this paper may have considerable appeal to people on this list. To my eye it has the most successful surface of the majority of papers out there looking to carry some of the inherent attractive qualities of darkroom papers. It has very slightly more texture than Harman Gloss, and it is random and natural looking, similar to gelatin over paper. But it is smoother than the other offerings with more texture or stipple, but doesn't have the RC too smooth shine of the Harman. Seems like someone finally nailed it. Very little apparent gloss differential, and no bronzing I can see.
The cons- Available sizes way too limited and small, and no rolls. But those here liking the classic large format/ little enlarged look, with a desktop printer, may have no problem with that. Secondly, despite the unbelievable claim of a warm base, it is very blue to the eye and measurement. Obviously heavy OBAs here. But, with a cold or neutral ink look, it's convincing.
Also, not Baryta, but as they say- baryta-like. OK then.

JonCone Studio Paper Type 5
http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c....egory.28018/.f
The descriptions of this paper caught my interest, and though I have no great need for it, a recent sale tempted me into buying a roll to test. I really like this paper, and I hope you'll forgive posts elsewhere by me about it. One BIG caveat- I am not using it for Jon's intended purpose, gloss K7 work. I'd like to, but I haven't enough printers right now. But I really like the paper for general PK use and it deserves mention outside of the K7 application. I like the warmer base PK papers in general. This is right in there with Silver Rag, Ilford Gold Fiber Silk, Canson Platine Fibre Rag, etc. But the surface is nicer. More texture than the Ilford, but not as mechanically stippled as Silver Rag. So, a more natural texture like air dried fiber. Takes a tremendous amount of ink, very minimal Gloss differential or bronzing. I was able to setup a color RIP environment with minimal individual ink limiting, and a total ink of 340%. I think it could have taken much more but there's no need. Highly unusual for a PK paper.
Even though I like it as is, I suspect an HP with it's GO would take it one notch up, and Jon's double pass gloss K7 setups probably look great. Other PK/GO systems used on this list might be great with it as well, I'm just using it with x800 UC Epsons and it looks great as is, given the limitations of that approach. I finally nailed a look and hue that can sit next to my old developer-cooled, selenium toned, Portriga prints without shame with this paper. Color looks great too.

I constantly try new things as they come along, and as I can afford to, so might as well put the results up here and elsewhere even if I don't wind up using the stuff myself.
Tyler
http://www.custom-digital.com/

Very Interesting, and the Premiere matte also.

Hahnemuhle sent me a short roll of their new Baryta FB. With the Z3100 it looks as close to a silver print as I have seen here, with a realistic texture at the right point. It is similar to Photorag Baryta but with oba. With the two of these they pretty much do all that needs to be done for me.  On the Z3100 with these PK papers for black and white they are looking totally neutral and smooth. Texture is better for smaller things than Silver Rag.

john



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tboleyyh" <tyler@...> wrote:

>
> Please excuse duplication of info on other list posts-
> 
> Pictorico Gekko Green-
> http://diamond-jet.com/gekkogreen.aspx
> Despite some serious drawbacks this paper may have considerable appeal to people on this list. To my eye it has the most successful surface of the majority of papers out there looking to carry some of the inherent attractive qualities of darkroom papers. It has very slightly more texture than Harman Gloss, and it is random and natural looking, similar to gelatin over paper. But it is smoother than the other offerings with more texture or stipple, but doesn't have the RC too smooth shine of the Harman. Seems like someone finally nailed it. Very little apparent gloss differential, and no bronzing I can see.
> The cons- Available sizes way too limited and small, and no rolls. But those here liking the classic large format/ little enlarged look, with a desktop printer, may have no problem with that. Secondly, despite the unbelievable claim of a warm base, it is very blue to the eye and measurement. Obviously heavy OBAs here. But, with a cold or neutral ink look, it's convincing.
> Also, not Baryta, but as they say- baryta-like. OK then.
> 
> JonCone Studio Paper Type 5
> http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c....egory.28018/.f
> The descriptions of this paper caught my interest, and though I have no great need for it, a recent sale tempted me into buying a roll to test. I really like this paper, and I hope you'll forgive posts elsewhere by me about it. One BIG caveat- I am not using it for Jon's intended purpose, gloss K7 work. I'd like to, but I haven't enough printers right now. But I really like the paper for general PK use and it deserves mention outside of the K7 application. I like the warmer base PK papers in general. This is right in there with Silver Rag, Ilford Gold Fiber Silk, Canson Platine Fibre Rag, etc. But the surface is nicer. More texture than the Ilford, but not as mechanically stippled as Silver Rag. So, a more natural texture like air dried fiber. Takes a tremendous amount of ink, very minimal Gloss differential or bronzing. I was able to setup a color RIP environment with minimal individual ink limiting, and a total ink of 340%. I think it could have taken much more but there's no need. Highly unusual for a PK paper.
> Even though I like it as is, I suspect an HP with it's GO would take it one notch up, and Jon's double pass gloss K7 setups probably look great. Other PK/GO systems used on this list might be great with it as well, I'm just using it with x800 UC Epsons and it looks great as is, given the limitations of that approach. I finally nailed a look and hue that can sit next to my old developer-cooled, selenium toned, Portriga prints without shame with this paper. Color looks great too.
> 
> I constantly try new things as they come along, and as I can afford to, so might as well put the results up here and elsewhere even if I don't wind up using the stuff myself.
> Tyler
> http://www.custom-digital.com/
>

On Dec 28, 2009, at 11:10 PM, john wrote:

> Hahnemuhle sent me a short roll of their new Baryta FB. With the  
> Z3100 it looks as close to a silver print as I have seen here, with  
> a realistic texture at the right point. It is similar to Photorag  
> Baryta but with oba. With the two of these they pretty much do all  
> that needs to be done for me.  On the Z3100 with these PK papers for  
> black and white they are looking totally neutral and smooth. Texture  
> is better for smaller things than Silver Rag.

On the Hahnemuhle site, it is described as "Baryta FB is a bright  
white paper with an extra smooth surface and ultra glossy coating."  
That implies that it is more like a ferrotyped F paper than an air  
dried F paper with a very slight texture. Is their description  
inaccurate?

Jim

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When using this paper is it necessary to change any of the settings in one's printer for paper thickness? And, should its sheets be fed normally from the paper tray. Also can rolls be fed normally? 

I am using an Epson 4800.

The 4800 manual states that paper with a thickness between .5 to 1.5 mm should be fed using the "Front Manual Feed Slot". 

Thanks

Peter



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  ---- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Goshorn 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Two more PK papers worthy of mention for B&W


    

  On Dec 28, 2009, at 11:10 PM, john wrote:

  > Hahnemuhle sent me a short roll of their new Baryta FB. With the 
  > Z3100 it looks as close to a silver print as I have seen here, with 
  > a realistic texture at the right point. It is similar to Photorag 
  > Baryta but with oba. With the two of these they pretty much do all 
  > that needs to be done for me. On the Z3100 with these PK papers for 
  > black and white they are looking totally neutral and smooth. Texture 
  > is better for smaller things than Silver Rag.

  On the Hahnemuhle site, it is described as "Baryta FB is a bright 
  white paper with an extra smooth surface and ultra glossy coating." 
  That implies that it is more like a ferrotyped F paper than an air 
  dried F paper with a very slight texture. Is their description 
  inaccurate?

  Jim

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