Digital BW, The Print

I just signed up for MozyHome, a remote back-up service.  It costs about $45
a year.  The initial back up takes a long time. Mine's been running for
about a week, and it's only 17% done, but then it is backing up 250gb of
data in the background.  After the first big backup, though, backups will be
much quicker.  So far, I'm very pleased with the service.  This, along with
on-site copies made to external hard drive, should provide pretty decent
protection for my digital files.


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Perhaps not so OT as you would think. Archiving of files is all part  
of printing editions, etc.

I have been using them too, for personal files backups (photos), first  
upload took two weeks. Best part I have found is to be able from any  
computer anywhere to retrieve one or many files at any time. Plus the  
fact that files reside off-site if fire or theft. Nice that they have  
no limit on how much you can store for the $45 a year too. I recommend  
them also.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:18 AM, pdesmidt tds.net wrote:

> I just signed up for MozyHome, a remote back-up service.  It costs  
> about $45
> a year.  The initial back up takes a long time. Mine's been running  
> for
> about a week, and it's only 17% done, but then it is backing up  
> 250gb of
> data in the background.  After the first big backup, though, backups  
> will be
> much quicker.  So far, I'm very pleased with the service.  This,  
> along with
> on-site copies made to external hard drive, should provide pretty  
> decent
> protection for my digital files.
>
>

Just curious.  How is the (and the time it takes) better than an additional
external HD that you backup everything to once a month or every few weeks
and store at your work, or parents, or somewhere else?  I just got a Seagate
1.5TB Ext HD for $99.

Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/


On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:18 AM, pdesmidt tds.net <pdesmidt@...> wrote:

>
>
> I just signed up for MozyHome, a remote back-up service. It costs about $45
> a year. The initial back up takes a long time. Mine's been running for
> about a week, and it's only 17% done, but then it is backing up 250gb of
> data in the background. After the first big backup, though, backups will be
> much quicker. So far, I'm very pleased with the service. This, along with
> on-site copies made to external hard drive, should provide pretty decent
> protection for my digital files.
>
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>
>  
>


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Ah, I guess that's one benefit, retrieving files from anywhere, but if it's
backed up files I generally like to leave a "pure" back up as it is or it
startes getting confusing fast as t owhat is a backup and what is a modified
file and such.  There's a number of very cheap ways to set up remotely and
securely accessing your own home computer these days.

Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/


On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Mark Savoia <mark@stillrivereditions.com>wrote:

>
>
> Perhaps not so OT as you would think. Archiving of files is all part
> of printing editions, etc.
>
> I have been using them too, for personal files backups (photos), first
> upload took two weeks. Best part I have found is to be able from any
> computer anywhere to retrieve one or many files at any time. Plus the
> fact that files reside off-site if fire or theft. Nice that they have
> no limit on how much you can store for the $45 a year too. I recommend
> them also.
>
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:18 AM, pdesmidt tds.net wrote:
>
> > I just signed up for MozyHome, a remote back-up service. It costs
> > about $45
> > a year. The initial back up takes a long time. Mine's been running
> > for
> > about a week, and it's only 17% done, but then it is backing up
> > 250gb of
> > data in the background. After the first big backup, though, backups
> > will be
> > much quicker. So far, I'm very pleased with the service. This,
> > along with
> > on-site copies made to external hard drive, should provide pretty
> > decent
> > protection for my digital files.
> >
> >
>
>  
>


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On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Richard Sintchak <rich815@...> wrote:

> Just curious.  How is the (and the time it takes) better than an additional
> external HD that you backup everything to once a month or every few weeks
> and store at your work, or parents, or somewhere else?  I just got a
> Seagate
> 1.5TB Ext HD for $99.
>
> Richard S.
> Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
>
>
I'm not sure that it is better, but it is less work.  I have my account set
up to back up my system twice a day.  Thus is the event of a major local
crash, I would only lose a half day of work. (You can choose how often the
service makes backups.)  I back up to external drives as well, but I find
that I don't do that quite as often as I should.


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That would mean your computer needs to be left on at all times. Yes  
there are many ways to approach backups, just a few of us have decided  
this route with Mozy, thats all, personal choice.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Richard Sintchak wrote:

>  There's a number of very cheap ways to set up remotely and
> securely accessing your own home computer these days.

Mark,
In theory this really sounds great. Part of me has struggled with the idea of it from a couple of angles.. Bandwidth and it's potential cost in the hopefully not to near future, true security from theft etc, and I guess just time ...uploading is typically a longer process then downloading and those that are bandwidth impaired or limited in it's use would really struggle.. I guess it really makes sense however because it's an offsite storage.. It just seems that if you are talking jobs with a bit of size to them and stored the original file along with the print file ...well that's a chunk of data especially if your base file is 16 bit.. How long is it taking you to get say a 500MB (two files)  up there. 

jimbo

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Savoia 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: Remote Backup


    
  Perhaps not so OT as you would think. Archiving of files is all part 
  of printing editions, etc.

  I have been using them too, for personal files backups (photos), first 
  upload took two weeks. Best part I have found is to be able from any 
  computer anywhere to retrieve one or many files at any time. Plus the 
  fact that files reside off-site if fire or theft. Nice that they have 
  no limit on how much you can store for the $45 a year too. I recommend 
  them also.

  Mark
  http://www.stillrivereditions.com

  On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:18 AM, pdesmidt tds.net wrote:

  > I just signed up for MozyHome, a remote back-up service. It costs 
  > about $45
  > a year. The initial back up takes a long time. Mine's been running 
  > for
  > about a week, and it's only 17% done, but then it is backing up 
  > 250gb of
  > data in the background. After the first big backup, though, backups 
  > will be
  > much quicker. So far, I'm very pleased with the service. This, 
  > along with
  > on-site copies made to external hard drive, should provide pretty 
  > decent
  > protection for my digital files.
  >
  >



  


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True, not a service for the bandwidth impaired. Files are encrypted  
before upload by the Mozy software. I never timed the uploads but when  
I do updated or new files it goes pretty fast, happens in the  
background. I am on cable 20Mb sec down/ 2 Mb sec up service.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:54 AM, mrjimbo wrote:

> Mark,
> In theory this really sounds great. Part of me has struggled with  
> the idea of it from a couple of angles.. Bandwidth and it's  
> potential cost in the hopefully not to near future, true security  
> from theft etc, and I guess just time ...uploading is typically a  
> longer process then downloading and those that are bandwidth  
> impaired or limited in it's use would really struggle.. I guess it  
> really makes sense however because it's an offsite storage.. It just  
> seems that if you are talking jobs with a bit of size to them and  
> stored the original file along with the print file ...well that's a  
> chunk of data especially if your base file is 16 bit.. How long is  
> it taking you to get say a 500MB (two files)  up there.
>
> jimbo

"pdesmidt tds.net" <pdesmidt@...> wrote:
>
> I just signed up for MozyHome, a remote back-up service. 
> It costs about $45 a year.  ...

I've been looking at the alternatives also.  Mozy looks like just under $5 per month per computer for unlimited space.  There are probably other plans.  

I think GoDaddy told me they have a 100 GB plan for $12/year, but I'm not sure what all that includes.

I'm not sure I want automatic backup of everything.  I have lots of files that I would not bother to back up.  Doing it manually is like being forced to clean out the garage -- not a bad idea sometimes.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

You can set up which folders and files to auto upload only.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:23 AM, pr_roark wrote:

> I'm not sure I want automatic backup of everything.  I have lots of  
> files that I would not bother to back up.  Doing it manually is like  
> being forced to clean out the garage -- not a bad idea sometimes.

On 2/5/2010 6:33 AM, Richard Sintchak wrote:
> Just curious.  How is the (and the time it takes) better than an additional
> external HD that you backup everything to once a month or every few weeks
> and store at your work, or parents, or somewhere else?  I just got a Seagate
> 1.5TB Ext HD for $99.

Several reasons.

1) If your house is destroyed (burns down, earthquake, etc.), your
    remote back-up is likely to remain intact.

2) A single external disk drive has reliability limits, you may find
    it has read errors when you really need to restore from it.  A
    good backup service stores data on redundant arrays of disks (either
    some form of RAID or multiple shadow copies, or both).  Further,
    as disk errors are detected in these redundant arrays, the disks
    are replaced without loss of data or availability.

3) Over time, you want to migrate your archive from one kind of
    storage to another to avoid the 8-track syndrome (lots of tapes
    but your player died and you can't replace it).  A good back-up
    service is accessed via the network and can migrate actual
    storage as necessary, and the network interface is likely to
    remain useful for a very long time.

It's far better to back-up to an external disk than no back-up
at all, though.

Dana
(near Benicia, on a fault line)

Macworld did a great review of 7 online backup systems. Take a look here is the link.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/post?act=reply&messageNum=99260

Ed 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> "pdesmidt tds.net" <pdesmidt@> wrote:
> >
> > I just signed up for MozyHome, a remote back-up service. 
> > It costs about $45 a year.  ...
> 
> I've been looking at the alternatives also.  Mozy looks like just under $5 per month per computer for unlimited space.  There are probably other plans.  
> 
> I think GoDaddy told me they have a 100 GB plan for $12/year, but I'm not sure what all that includes.
> 
> I'm not sure I want automatic backup of everything.  I have lots of files that I would not bother to back up.  Doing it manually is like being forced to clean out the garage -- not a bad idea sometimes.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

There was quite a discussion going on a Linked in group about back up ideas.
Almost as many different answers as there were posters. But one common idea
was a backup anywhere is better than none.  

 

 

(near Benicia, on a fault line)

is that slang for Vallejo?  Hey can you see the moth ball fleet? 

 

 

Eric Neilsen

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

 

www.ericneilsenphotography.com

skype me with ejprinter

 

  _____  

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dana
Myers
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:26 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: Remote Backup

 

  


Dana
(near Benicia, on a fault line)





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I find it difficult to back up offline as a amateur photg... I have 
30k photos, about 230 gb. That's not including anything else!

What I do is rotate between three 1.5tb hard drives. One goes offsite 
every week, and the other two stay home. I rotate between them so I 
always have two complete backups on each harddrive, and one is always offsite.



At 09:26 AM 2/5/2010 -0800, Dana Myers wrote:
>On 2/5/2010 6:33 AM, Richard Sintchak wrote:
> > Just curious. How is the (and the time it takes) better than an additional
> > external HD that you backup everything to once a month or every few weeks
> > and store at your work, or parents, or somewhere else? I just got a Seagate
> > 1.5TB Ext HD for $99.
>
>Several reasons.
>
>1) If your house is destroyed (burns down, earthquake, etc.), your
>remote back-up is likely to remain intact.
>
>2) A single external disk drive has reliability limits, you may find
>it has read errors when you really need to restore from it. A
>good backup service stores data on redundant arrays of disks (either
>some form of RAID or multiple shadow copies, or both). Further,
>as disk errors are detected in these redundant arrays, the disks
>are replaced without loss of data or availability.
>
>3) Over time, you want to migrate your archive from one kind of
>storage to another to avoid the 8-track syndrome (lots of tapes
>but your player died and you can't replace it). A good back-up
>service is accessed via the network and can migrate actual
>storage as necessary, and the network interface is likely to
>remain useful for a very long time.
>
>It's far better to back-up to an external disk than no back-up
>at all, though.

Regards,


Denton Taylor
photogalleries at
www.pbase.com/dentontay/
www.dentontaylor.com

CrashPlan is interesting and worth a look.  They have a remote backup server that you can pay similar prices to all the others for.  What is really stylish is that their backup software itself is free and you can set it up to connect to a friends machine and back up there instead of to their pay server.  You can even seed that remote backup so your initial backup doesn't take weeks.  You can backup multiple places simultaneously as well (e.g. local, their pay service, friends house).

Ken

That's what I do.  My scanned images are over a TB!

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Denton Taylor <denton@...> wrote:

>
>
> I find it difficult to back up offline as a amateur photg... I have
> 30k photos, about 230 gb. That's not including anything else!
>
> What I do is rotate between three 1.5tb hard drives. One goes offsite
> every week, and the other two stay home. I rotate between them so I
> always have two complete backups on each harddrive, and one is always
> offsite.
>
>
> At 09:26 AM 2/5/2010 -0800, Dana Myers wrote:
> >On 2/5/2010 6:33 AM, Richard Sintchak wrote:
> > > Just curious. How is the (and the time it takes) better than an
> additional
> > > external HD that you backup everything to once a month or every few
> weeks
> > > and store at your work, or parents, or somewhere else? I just got a
> Seagate
> > > 1.5TB Ext HD for $99.
> >
> >Several reasons.
> >
> >1) If your house is destroyed (burns down, earthquake, etc.), your
> >remote back-up is likely to remain intact.
> >
> >2) A single external disk drive has reliability limits, you may find
> >it has read errors when you really need to restore from it. A
> >good backup service stores data on redundant arrays of disks (either
> >some form of RAID or multiple shadow copies, or both). Further,
> >as disk errors are detected in these redundant arrays, the disks
> >are replaced without loss of data or availability.
> >
> >3) Over time, you want to migrate your archive from one kind of
> >storage to another to avoid the 8-track syndrome (lots of tapes
> >but your player died and you can't replace it). A good back-up
> >service is accessed via the network and can migrate actual
> >storage as necessary, and the network interface is likely to
> >remain useful for a very long time.
> >
> >It's far better to back-up to an external disk than no back-up
> >at all, though.
>
> Regards,
>
> Denton Taylor
> photogalleries at
> www.pbase.com/dentontay/
> www.dentontaylor.com
>
>  
>



-- 
Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/


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Each?!?

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Richard Sintchak wrote:

> That's what I do.  My scanned images are over a TB!

I print big.

Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/


On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Mark Savoia <mark@...>wrote:

>
>
> Each?!?
>
>
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>
> On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Richard Sintchak wrote:
>
> > That's what I do. My scanned images are over a TB!
>
>  
>


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How big at what res? That seems like way overkill unless the files are  
that big because of many layers. If so, do you flatten first? I  
thought Photoshop freaks out with anything with files sizes over 2GB?  
A terabyte?

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Richard Sintchak wrote:

> I print big.
>
> Richard S.
> Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
>
> My Photography Website
> http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
>
> My Flickr River
> http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Mark Savoia <mark@... 
> >wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Each?!?
>>
>>
>> Mark
>> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Richard Sintchak wrote:
>>
>>> That's what I do. My scanned images are over a TB!
>>

i'm kidding, that all my files....

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Mark Savoia <mark@...>  
wrote:

> How big at what res? That seems like way overkill unless the files are
> that big because of many layers. If so, do you flatten first? I
> thought Photoshop freaks out with anything with files sizes over 2GB?
> A terabyte?
>
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>
> On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Richard Sintchak wrote:
>
> > I print big.
> >
> > Richard S.
> > Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
> >
> > My Photography Website
> > http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
> >
> > My Flickr River
> > http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Mark Savoia <mark@...
> > >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Each?!?
> >>
> >>
> >> Mark
> >> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
> >>
> >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Richard Sintchak wrote:
> >>
> >>> That's what I do. My scanned images are over a TB!
> >>
>
> 


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too bad we couldn't have seen Mark's face...:-)) 

jimbo

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Sintchak 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: Remote Backup


    
  i'm kidding, that all my files....

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Mark Savoia <mark@stillrivereditions.com> 
  wrote:

  > How big at what res? That seems like way overkill unless the files are
  > that big because of many layers. If so, do you flatten first? I
  > thought Photoshop freaks out with anything with files sizes over 2GB?
  > A terabyte?
  >
  > Mark
  > http://www.stillrivereditions.com
  >
  > On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Richard Sintchak wrote:
  >
  > > I print big.
  > >
  > > Richard S.
  > > Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
  > >
  > > My Photography Website
  > > http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
  > >
  > > My Flickr River
  > > http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
  > >
  > >
  > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Mark Savoia <mark@...
  > > >wrote:
  > >
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> Each?!?
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> Mark
  > >> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
  > >>
  > >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Richard Sintchak wrote:
  > >>
  > >>> That's what I do. My scanned images are over a TB!
  > >>
  >
  > 

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Hey, its Friday, what else can I say. Now you have to admit we have all heard some unbelievable things on these e-groups....

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:18 PM, mrjimbo wrote:

> too bad we couldn't have seen Mark's face...:-)) 
> 
> jimbo

OK, the person who recommended CrashPlan, looks like a nice product.

I downloaded it to give it a (30 day free) try, wanted to backup a large folder of customer's jobs, 418.5 GB, said it will take 6.5 months to upload and that is with my cable at 1.5 Mb sec upload speeds. At home Mozy took about two weeks for 102.4 GB. Hmmmmmm, any chance CrashPlan has bandwidth restrictions?

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

Mark

The 1.5 Mb seems low for cable.  Do you have the same cable at home  
and office?

Paul

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Mark Savoia <mark@...>  
wrote:

> OK, the person who recommended CrashPlan, looks like a nice product.
>
> I downloaded it to give it a (30 day free) try, wanted to backup a  
> large folder of customer's jobs, 418.5 GB, said it will take 6.5  
> months to upload and that is with my cable at 1.5 Mb sec upload  
> speeds. At home Mozy took about two weeks for 102.4 GB. Hmmmmmm, any  
> chance CrashPlan has bandwidth restrictions?
>
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>
> 


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Yes. 

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Paul Grant wrote:

> Mark
> 
> The 1.5 Mb seems low for cable.  Do you have the same cable at home  
> and office?
> 
> Paul

Mark,
I would suggest that you do a test using actual data to see if you can really upload 1.5MB per second.. I would doubt that you can really accomplish that unless your darn near next door to their server and have paid for a premium connection. Anyway that is 90 MB per minute and dude that is a smoking upload speed. Just to give you a sense of it.. File types have something to do with speeds so most specks are arrived at by using text files as they move easier then image files.. The new USB standard 2.O supports about 30 MB per second and they claim many USB flash drives like Corsair.. but most actually get maybe 10MBS max.. an dthis stuff is tied directy to your bus in teh puter. Remember USB 1.1 that  spec topped out at 1 MBS per second ...Anyway do a test with a 60/100 MB graphic file and let us know how long it takes to upload to a real source not one of these speed test things you can do.. 
I have what for me is a pretty good system I think.. It was a pain in the ass to set up and not cheap.. My biggest night mare is data management.. We do scanning for both customers and my own use. Just added a scan back as a late xmas present for teh 4x5. I'm trying to manage my own image files which include scans from film and direct digital. Then we print for artists and ourselves.. so lots of print files. I guess I'm trying to say literally tons of files. Anyway we use a multi disk Raid system  in the studio which is mirrored in the house 75 feet away in real time. Then I still put my personal money shots onto a 32GB Corsairs that sit in a safe deposit box. Which by the way I just had my first failure on one of them.... Totally freaked me out..  Anyway the last item might work out great on an on line thing.. It's 35 miles to my safe deposit box :-(  

jimbo

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Savoia 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: Remote Backup


    
  OK, the person who recommended CrashPlan, looks like a nice product.

  I downloaded it to give it a (30 day free) try, wanted to backup a large folder of customer's jobs, 418.5 GB, said it will take 6.5 months to upload and that is with my cable at 1.5 Mb sec upload speeds. At home Mozy took about two weeks for 102.4 GB. Hmmmmmm, any chance CrashPlan has bandwidth restrictions?

  Mark
  http://www.stillrivereditions.com



  


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Keep in mind Mark used the term. Mb.  Small b.   Megabits.  Not bytes.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:20 PM, "mrjimbo" <mrjimbo@wispwest.net> wrote:

> Mark,
> I would suggest that you do a test using actual data to see if you  
> can really upload 1.5MB per second.. I would doubt that you can  
> really accomplish that unless your darn near next door to their  
> server and have paid for a premium connection. Anyway that is 90 MB  
> per minute and dude that is a smoking upload speed. Just to give you  
> a sense of it.. File types have something to do with speeds so most  
> specks are arrived at by using text files as they move easier then  
> image files.. The new USB standard 2.O supports about 30 MB per  
> second and they claim many USB flash drives like Corsair.. but most  
> actually get maybe 10MBS max.. an dthis stuff is tied directy to  
> your bus in teh puter. Remember USB 1.1 that spec topped out at 1  
> MBS per second ...Anyway do a test with a 60/100 MB graphic file and  
> let us know how long it takes to upload to a real source not one of  
> these speed test things you can do..
> I have what for me is a pretty good system I think.. It was a pain  
> in the ass to set up and not cheap.. My biggest night mare is data  
> management.. We do scanning for both customers and my own use. Just  
> added a scan back as a late xmas present for teh 4x5. I'm trying to  
> manage my own image files which include scans from film and direct  
> digital. Then we print for artists and ourselves.. so lots of print  
> files. I guess I'm trying to say literally tons of files. Anyway we  
> use a multi disk Raid system in the studio which is mirrored in the  
> house 75 feet away in real time. Then I still put my personal money  
> shots onto a 32GB Corsairs that sit in a safe deposit box. Which by  
> the way I just had my first failure on one of them.... Totally  
> freaked me out.. Anyway the last item might work out great on an on  
> line thing.. It's 35 miles to my safe deposit box :-(
>
> jimbo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Savoia
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: Remote Backup
>
> OK, the person who recommended CrashPlan, looks like a nice product.
>
> I downloaded it to give it a (30 day free) try, wanted to backup a  
> large folder of customer's jobs, 418.5 GB, said it will take 6.5  
> months to upload and that is with my cable at 1.5 Mb sec upload  
> speeds. At home Mozy took about two weeks for 102.4 GB. Hmmmmmm, any  
> chance CrashPlan has bandwidth restrictions?
>
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>
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Paul, 
Typically their is a huge difference between upload and download speeds..
I.E. Cable Modem may offer 1.5 - 3.0 Mbps download but the same outfit will typically offer only 400 - 600 Kpbs upload
ADSL dowload is usually specked at about 1.4 Mbps down and 400 Kbps uploading.. 
But non of these specks allow for routing or traffic loading loading so in reality their overstated functionally as you'll never hit them. 
Anyway, a true 1.5 MB per second speed is really honking.. So those getting it are truly blessed by the puter Gods I'd say. 
For those that want to really see what it shakes out to their are software packaes that measure those and \ track your bandwidth usage etc.. I use DU Meter and it tracks all the traffic on my local networks and also internet and ftp traffic. 

jimbo

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Grant 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: Remote Backup


    
  Mark

  The 1.5 Mb seems low for cable. Do you have the same cable at home 
  and office?

  Paul

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Mark Savoia <mark@...> 
  wrote:

  > OK, the person who recommended CrashPlan, looks like a nice product.
  >
  > I downloaded it to give it a (30 day free) try, wanted to backup a 
  > large folder of customer's jobs, 418.5 GB, said it will take 6.5 
  > months to upload and that is with my cable at 1.5 Mb sec upload 
  > speeds. At home Mozy took about two weeks for 102.4 GB. Hmmmmmm, any 
  > chance CrashPlan has bandwidth restrictions?
  >
  > Mark
  > http://www.stillrivereditions.com
  >
  > 

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Jimbo,

Thanks I understand.  I have DSL in my studio and it runs as you describe......but I have cable at home via Comcast and we have pretty outstanding service here in Silicon Valley.

Download speeds just tested this evening is in the 18-20 Mbps speeds....its late at night and there is not much other traffic.  It normally runs in the 6-8 Mbps range during the day and early evenings.

Upload speeds are pretty consistent in the 3Mbps range.

However as we all know cable is very much of function of the number of users in the area where DSL is more of a function as to how close you are to the equipment.

Regards,
Paul
On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:44 PM, mrjimbo wrote:

> Paul, 
> Typically their is a huge difference between upload and download speeds..
> I.E. Cable Modem may offer 1.5 - 3.0 Mbps download but the same outfit will typically offer only 400 - 600 Kpbs upload
> ADSL dowload is usually specked at about 1.4 Mbps down and 400 Kbps uploading.. 
> But non of these specks allow for routing or traffic loading loading so in reality their overstated functionally as you'll never hit them. 
> Anyway, a true 1.5 MB per second speed is really honking.. So those getting it are truly blessed by the puter Gods I'd say. 
> For those that want to really see what it shakes out to their are software packaes that measure those and \ track your bandwidth usage etc.. I use DU Meter and it tracks all the traffic on my local networks and also internet and ftp traffic. 
> 
> jimbo
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Paul Grant 
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: Remote Backup
> 
> Mark
> 
> The 1.5 Mb seems low for cable. Do you have the same cable at home 
> and office?
> 
> Paul
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Mark Savoia <mark@stillrivereditions.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> > OK, the person who recommended CrashPlan, looks like a nice product.
> >
> > I downloaded it to give it a (30 day free) try, wanted to backup a 
> > large folder of customer's jobs, 418.5 GB, said it will take 6.5 
> > months to upload and that is with my cable at 1.5 Mb sec upload 
> > speeds. At home Mozy took about two weeks for 102.4 GB. Hmmmmmm, any 
> > chance CrashPlan has bandwidth restrictions?
> >
> > Mark
> > http://www.stillrivereditions.com
> >
> > 
> 
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That is 1.5 Mb (mega-bit not mega-byte). Notice the small "b" I used.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:20 PM, mrjimbo wrote:

> Mark,
> I would suggest that you do a test using actual data to see if you can really upload 1.5MB per second.. I would doubt that you can really accomplish that unless your darn near next door to their server and have paid for a premium connection. Anyway that is 90 MB per minute and dude that is a smoking upload speed. Just to give you a sense of it.. File types have something to do with speeds so most specks are arrived at by using text files as they move easier then image files.. The new USB standard 2.O supports about 30 MB per second and they claim many USB flash drives like Corsair.. but most actually get maybe 10MBS max.. an dthis stuff is tied directy to your bus in teh puter. Remember USB 1.1 that  spec topped out at 1 MBS per second ...Anyway do a test with a 60/100 MB graphic file and let us know how long it takes to upload to a real source not one of these speed test things you can do.. 
> I have what for me is a pretty good system I think.. It was a pain in the ass to set up and not cheap.. My biggest night mare is data management.. We do scanning for both customers and my own use. Just added a scan back as a late xmas present for teh 4x5. I'm trying to manage my own image files which include scans from film and direct digital. Then we print for artists and ourselves.. so lots of print files. I guess I'm trying to say literally tons of files. Anyway we use a multi disk Raid system  in the studio which is mirrored in the house 75 feet away in real time. Then I still put my personal money shots onto a 32GB Corsairs that sit in a safe deposit box. Which by the way I just had my first failure on one of them.... Totally freaked me out..  Anyway the last item might work out great on an on line thing.. It's 35 miles to my safe deposit box :-(  
> 
> jimbo
> 
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Mark Savoia 
>  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:12 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: Remote Backup
> 
> 
> 
>  OK, the person who recommended CrashPlan, looks like a nice product.
> 
>  I downloaded it to give it a (30 day free) try, wanted to backup a large folder of customer's jobs, 418.5 GB, said it will take 6.5 months to upload and that is with my cable at 1.5 Mb sec upload speeds. At home Mozy took about two weeks for 102.4 GB. Hmmmmmm, any chance CrashPlan has bandwidth restrictions?
> 
>  Mark
>  http://www.stillrivereditions.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Got it..

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Savoia" <mark@stillrivereditions.com>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: Remote Backup


> That is 1.5 Mb (mega-bit not mega-byte). Notice the small "b" I used.
>
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>
> On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:20 PM, mrjimbo wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>> I would suggest that you do a test using actual data to see if you can 
>> really upload 1.5MB per second.. I would doubt that you can really 
>> accomplish that unless your darn near next door to their server and have 
>> paid for a premium connection. Anyway that is 90 MB per minute and dude 
>> that is a smoking upload speed. Just to give you a sense of it.. File 
>> types have something to do with speeds so most specks are arrived at by 
>> using text files as they move easier then image files.. The new USB 
>> standard 2.O supports about 30 MB per second and they claim many USB 
>> flash drives like Corsair.. but most actually get maybe 10MBS max.. an 
>> dthis stuff is tied directy to your bus in teh puter. Remember USB 1.1 
>> that  spec topped out at 1 MBS per second ...Anyway do a test with a 
>> 60/100 MB graphic file and let us know how long it takes to upload to a 
>> real source not one of these speed test things you can do..
>> I have what for me is a pretty good system I think.. It was a pain in the 
>> ass to set up and not cheap.. My biggest night mare is data management.. 
>> We do scanning for both customers and my own use. Just added a scan back 
>> as a late xmas present for teh 4x5. I'm trying to manage my own image 
>> files which include scans from film and direct digital. Then we print for 
>> artists and ourselves.. so lots of print files. I guess I'm trying to say 
>> literally tons of files. Anyway we use a multi disk Raid system  in the 
>> studio which is mirrored in the house 75 feet away in real time. Then I 
>> still put my personal money shots onto a 32GB Corsairs that sit in a safe 
>> deposit box. Which by the way I just had my first failure on one of 
>> them.... Totally freaked me out..  Anyway the last item might work out 
>> great on an on line thing.. It's 35 miles to my safe deposit box :-(
>>
>> jimbo
>>
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: Mark Savoia
>>  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:12 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: Remote Backup
>>
>>
>>
>>  OK, the person who recommended CrashPlan, looks like a nice product.
>>
>>  I downloaded it to give it a (30 day free) try, wanted to backup a large 
>> folder of customer's jobs, 418.5 GB, said it will take 6.5 months to 
>> upload and that is with my cable at 1.5 Mb sec upload speeds. At home 
>> Mozy took about two weeks for 102.4 GB. Hmmmmmm, any chance CrashPlan has 
>> bandwidth restrictions?
>>
>>  Mark
>>  http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Can we please stop with the Off-topic craze, I opened my mail today and there were over 30 off-topic messages. There are several forums that discuss backing up, adnausium. Now while I'm in a ranting mood, can we also stop asking questions for individuals that are read by the thousands of subscribers to this forum, and then have them answered. If I put OT in the subject line can I tell you about my favorite recipe. Oh don't worry its related to this forum because if they look good I photograph them............

Gary

www.pbase.com/garyallenbrown

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Savoia 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: Remote Backup


    
  Yes. 

  Mark
  http://www.stillrivereditions.com

  On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Paul Grant wrote:

  > Mark
  > 
  > The 1.5 Mb seems low for cable. Do you have the same cable at home 
  > and office?
  > 
  > Paul



  

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OT can also mean on topic :)

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Feb 6, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Gary Brown wrote:

> Can we please stop with the Off-topic craze, I opened my mail today and there were over 30 off-topic messages. There are several forums that discuss backing up, adnausium. Now while I'm in a ranting mood, can we also stop asking questions for individuals that are read by the thousands of subscribers to this forum, and then have them answered. If I put OT in the subject line can I tell you about my favorite recipe. Oh don't worry its related to this forum because if they look good I photograph them............
> 
> Gary
> 
> www.pbase.com/garyallenbrown
>

After trying a number of different backup solutions and considering many others over the past years I have just gotten an Acer Aspire easystore H340 server up and running two weeks ago.  It is an eight inch square cube that sits on its shelf quietly doing its job.  It came with a 1TB hard drive installed and I added another 1TB drive which leaves two bays empty for further storage expansion. The importance of adding the second hard drive is that you can turn on the duplication function for select files such as my image files and documents which I keep on the server instead of my computer's hard drive.  The operating systems are also being backed up nightly with the duplication function turned off since the hard drives in the three computers provide duplication for the OS's.  I just recently had to reinstall the operating system in my primary computer.  Unfortunately the most current backup was from three month ago so I found out how important a current backup of even the OS is.  An external hard drive is plugged into one of the USB ports of the EasyStore and backs up the files I feel deserve the next level of protection.  This hard drive is swapped with one I keep in a fire safe at this time but at some point I might consider keeping it off site.  The exchanging of this hard drive is the only step that is not automated.  So far I have been happy with this solution and now sleep better.  As I have found out the hard way the best backup method is the one you use!

Beau Wold


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pdesmidt tds.net" <pdesmidt@...> wrote:

>
> I just signed up for MozyHome, a remote back-up service.  It costs about $45
> a year.  The initial back up takes a long time. Mine's been running for
> about a week, and it's only 17% done, but then it is backing up 250gb of
> data in the background.  After the first big backup, though, backups will be
> much quicker.  So far, I'm very pleased with the service.  This, along with
> on-site copies made to external hard drive, should provide pretty decent
> protection for my digital files.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

That's totally OT Mark.

j

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote:

>
> OT can also mean on topic :)
> 
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
> 
> On Feb 6, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Gary Brown wrote:
> 
> > Can we please stop with the Off-topic craze, I opened my mail today and there were over 30 off-topic messages. There are several forums that discuss backing up, adnausium. Now while I'm in a ranting mood, can we also stop asking questions for individuals that are read by the thousands of subscribers to this forum, and then have them answered. If I put OT in the subject line can I tell you about my favorite recipe. Oh don't worry its related to this forum because if they look good I photograph them............
> > 
> > Gary
> > 
> > www.pbase.com/garyallenbrown
> >
>