Digital BW, The Print

Hi All,

I hope this isn't off topic. I am making a photo book for a client through AdoramaPix. They recommend using their profiles if you don't want color correction done by them, and I don't. 

When soft-proofing, I'm seeing some very subtle but distressing shifts, especially in the shadows. In my color images this is very apparent, but even in my B&W images - which they require you to send as sRGB not grayscale - it's also there, also mostly in the shadow areas. It's kind of an all-over contrast reduction with a magenta cast that affects every color differently in ways I don't even know how to compensate for. To top that off, once the images are uploaded onto the template in their program, the colors change yet again...is this a monitor thing?

I'm confused and spending hours trying to figure this out on my own; it makes my printing travails look like a walk in the park (almost). I don't want to order the book until I know it won't look like hell. Any suggestions?

Thank you,
Sarah

Sara, I used Blurb just for that reason. They sent me a profile so I could soft proof my images and the book came out beautiful. No issues what so ever. Also the B&W images I included had to be .png.
No issues with the B&W

Vinny
www.wulfsden.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, "sagaface" <sagaface@...> wrote:

>
> Hi All,
> 
> I hope this isn't off topic. I am making a photo book for a client through AdoramaPix. They recommend using their profiles if you don't want color correction done by them, and I don't. 
> 
> When soft-proofing, I'm seeing some very subtle but distressing shifts, especially in the shadows. In my color images this is very apparent, but even in my B&W images - which they require you to send as sRGB not grayscale - it's also there, also mostly in the shadow areas. It's kind of an all-over contrast reduction with a magenta cast that affects every color differently in ways I don't even know how to compensate for. To top that off, once the images are uploaded onto the template in their program, the colors change yet again...is this a monitor thing?
> 
> I'm confused and spending hours trying to figure this out on my own; it makes my printing travails look like a walk in the park (almost). I don't want to order the book until I know it won't look like hell. Any suggestions?
> 
> Thank you,
> Sarah
>

Vinnie, can you give a website or more information on Blurb so that I can search for it and find out about it?

Thank you,

Iric

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Discretion,Integrity, Tolerance, Civility, Humility
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On 23/03/2010 Iric Siegert wrote:
> Vinnie, can you give a website or more information on Blurb

Try www.blurb.com :-)

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Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

Iric, I would check out both and read reviews. Many, many people are happy with Blurb, and just as many are not. I have already done one book with Adorama (not using their icc profile) and the quality is amazing. They use very thick photo paper in the lay-flat style and the images print beautifully. For higher quality you would have to look at something like Asuka, which is big bucks.


Good luck,
Sarah




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Iric Siegert <iric_alan@...> wrote:

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> Vinnie, can you give a website or more information on Blurb so that I can search for it and find out about it?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Iric
> 
>  DITCH:
> Discretion,Integrity, Tolerance, Civility, Humility
>  Please think about these behaviors, use them and pass them on!
> 
> 
>       
> 
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>

On 23/03/2010 sagaface wrote:
>  Many, many people are happy with Blurb, and just as many are not. 

There seems to be a generic problem with the HP Indigo presses used by 
most POD shops, that neutral B&W is very hit and miss because Indigo is 
CMYK and just as hard to get right as our colour inkjets.

I've seen Blurb B&W looking very good and also badly off on a cyan-magenta 
axis.

If anyone knows of POD that uses something other than Indigo I'd be 
interested to know.
-- 
Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

The B&W prints in the book they did for me were outstanding. No
complaints at all.

Vinny
www.wulfsden.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tony Sleep <TonySleep@...> wrote:

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> On 23/03/2010 sagaface wrote:
> >  Many, many people are happy with Blurb, and just as many are not. 
> 
> There seems to be a generic problem with the HP Indigo presses used by 
> most POD shops, that neutral B&W is very hit and miss because Indigo is 
> CMYK and just as hard to get right as our colour inkjets.
> 
> I've seen Blurb B&W looking very good and also badly off on a cyan-magenta 
> axis.
> 
> If anyone knows of POD that uses something other than Indigo I'd be 
> interested to know.
> -- 
> Regards
> 
> Tony Sleep
> http://tonysleep.co.uk
>

Check out http://www.blurb.com/books/939266

Vinny
www.wulfsden.com


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tony Sleep <TonySleep@...> wrote:

>
> On 23/03/2010 Iric Siegert wrote:
> > Vinnie, can you give a website or more information on Blurb
> 
> Try www.blurb.com :-)
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> 
> Tony Sleep
> http://tonysleep.co.uk
>

Vinny, 
I looked at your book.  Very, very nice.   I've also used Blurb before and have generally been happy.  I have a question about one of the images in your book, that looks noticeably different from all the others.   Platt Farm on pg 6 looks like it is speckled with artifacts, particularly in the sky.   I've seen this once in one of my books.   Does the actual printed book look like this?  Any idea why?
thanks
Brad


On Mar 24, 2010, at 5:10 AM, Vinny wrote:

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> Check out http://www.blurb.com/books/939266
> 
> Vinny
> www.wulfsden.com
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> 



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Brad, I am looking at as I write this and NO it does not show
in the print in the book. Not sure why it looks like that on their
web site. I noticed one of the B&W " Beached" also has some speckles.

Reminds me of over sharpening. The pic in the book are fine.

Vinny 
www.wulfsden.com 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Brad Smith <bms0345@...> wrote:

>
> Vinny, 
> I looked at your book.  Very, very nice.   I've also used Blurb before and have generally been happy.  I have a question about one of the images in your book, that looks noticeably different from all the others.   Platt Farm on pg 6 looks like it is speckled with artifacts, particularly in the sky.   I've seen this once in one of my books.   Does the actual printed book look like this?  Any idea why?
> thanks
> Brad
> 
> 
> On Mar 24, 2010, at 5:10 AM, Vinny wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Check out http://www.blurb.com/books/939266
> > 
> > Vinny
> > www.wulfsden.com
> > _
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

That's good.  
thanks

On Mar 25, 2010, at 5:08 AM, Vinny wrote:

> Brad, I am looking at as I write this and NO it does not show
> in the print in the book. Not sure why it looks like that on their
> web site. I noticed one of the B&W " Beached" also has some speckles.
> 
> Reminds me of over sharpening. The pic in the book are fine.
> 
> Vinny 
> www.wulfsden.com 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Brad Smith <bms0345@...> wrote:
> >
> > Vinny, 
> > I looked at your book. Very, very nice. I've also used Blurb before and have generally been happy. I have a question about one of the images in your book, that looks noticeably different from all the others. Platt Farm on pg 6 looks like it is speckled with artifacts, particularly in the sky. I've seen this once in one of my books. Does the actual printed book look like this? Any idea why?
> > thanks
> > Brad
> > 
> 
> 



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