Doefperions - 258/259 - whaddya want to know? I've built a Buchla 258 kit and passed on a 259 kit once seeing the how much work envolved, but I am intimately familiar with both of them. There's a few things about these guys which make them unique - they have triangle wave cores. This means the basic engine of the circuit creates a triangle wave, as opposed to a saw wave that most VCOs out there work from, including the Doepfers. Other VCOs which incorporate a triangle core are Wiard and Aries. What a trui core affords you is a completely different reaction to AC FM (and PWM if you care to doo that, which Buchla didn't) than almost anything out there, which is one of the personality traits ofthe Buchla VCOs. The FM is really really warm. The 258 and 259 have basically the same engine, although Buchla replaced many of the discrete parts in the 258 with ICs in the 259. Not to worry, most of these parts are not 'sounding' - (not in the audio path), but functions such as the internal reset, which on the 258 is done with a bunch of matched transistors (begs the question of 'why'), were rightly done with a LM311 comparator in the 259. Another difference (actually, a big one) was the selection of what's called an expodential converter in the 259. In the 258, Don used the infamous UA726 IC, an absolete part also used in the rev 2 Minimoog VCOs which would set you back upwards to $150 A PIECE if you needed to replace one today. Don used another part for the 259, also obsolete now but easily sub'd (not so with e UA726) but because of this difference, the 259 FM does not sound the same in the 259 - and it's my opinion that the 258 sounded better. Let it be known, from personal experience the Buchla 258 expo circuit conventions can be duplicated with modern day components - but it's a trade secret (mine) and I'm not tellin!!! Another unique quality of the Buchla VCOs is the sine waveshaper. Not a Buchla design (although he did some major hacking with it), but one borrowed from an article published in Electronics Magazine in the mid 60's which also later appeared in the first edition of electronotes. It intentionally overdrives two diodes to bring them into nonlinearity and produces one of the sweetest sines out there. Dieter, if your listening - this too would be an absolute requirement if your intention was to make a VCO which behaved like Buchla's. For my buck, this is arguably better than the Thomas Henry tri to sine converter circuit, largely held as the best out there. This is where the simularities of the 258 and 259 end. The 259 had with it a very complex waveshaper and a modulation VCO. They are GREAT VCOs - both of them. They don't track worth shite, but remember, the Buchla was not considered a performance instrument as much as a studio instrument, so periodic tuning was not as much as an issue. Let it also be known that there's a way to fix this, too...but I reserve this also as my trade secret! OK OK OK - I've done a VCO which while not a clone of the 258 by any means, sounds pretty much identical on all counts and does things it didn't (both hard and soft sync, PWM, a triangle output and selectable wavemorphing among other things) and it's much more stable. I am contimplating bringing it to market. although the jury is still hung on this one. I have two made now, both in Doepfer size configuration to fit my system, with a couple more to come in the next few months (i'm having PCBs designed now). hope this helps, Peter
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Re: Complex oscillator
2004-06-18 by (i think you can figure that out)
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