Hi Bakis, I`m not saying that the ems or system100 waveforms are better, I`m telling I preffer them over the A111, and also I can hear a huge difference in the raw sound. I know you are convinced about the 259 ;) Best regards, Josue. ----- Mensaje Original ----- De: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com> Fecha: Sábado, Agosto 7, 2004 1:23 am Asunto: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: buchla 259 vco or expander(dieter's answer) > <html><body> > > > <tt> > hello josue, > > there is no reason to convince me,i already prefer the > > buchla 259 complex vco module!(and i have voted > > already!) > > anyway,about the system 100 triangle and the EMS > > vcs3:i have both ,so i could compare their sound to > > the a111 triangle.and yes, maybe they have a > > "better"(if such a word has any real meaning in > > electronic music )sound,but, i guess,i'm too lazy to > > spend time comparing the vco's of my synths. > > as i, many times have said in the past,each and every > > one decent analogue synth can have very usable > > sounds.so,i still cannot say which vco is better than > > the others.i don't think that "better" has any meaning > > in electronic music sound generation. > > it's the programming skills of the composer that > > really make the difference in the end.that's my > > opinion only,of course. > > bakis. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "ALMAGATA@telefonica.net" > > <almagata@telefonica.net> wrote: > > > > > Hi Bakis, > > > > > > A triangle waveform is not just a triangle wave, not > > > only for the > > > different waveshape from one VCo to other, but also > > > for the changes > > > between adjacent waves and chages in continous > > > waves. > > > > > > About the triangle from the CEM3340 chip, I have > > > lots of VCOs for > > > comparing, including a couple of A111 (that I use > > > for modulation only) > > > and each one sound very different to my ears. my > > > favorites are the EMS > > > and system 100 triangle waves, followed by the > > > serge. Also I own some > > > analogue systems VCOs and the triangle sound very > > > different to the > > > A111, but I must say I don`t like very much the > > > triangle from AS... > > > Regarding the question if the organic quality wold > > > be in the > > > waveshaper, do the A111 saw have a organic quality? > > > I ask you because > > > the SAW is derived using a waveshaper... > > > I don`t want to start the same questions we > > > discussed in the past, I > > > don`t see the point of thinking a waveshaper would > > > be the same as a > > > different VCO... Even the serge wave multiplier > > > (really complex module) > > > don`t sound the same using the output from the serge > > > NTO or the A111, > > > also don`t forget you`ll want to modulate FM or AM > > > this "source VCO" and > > > this modulation will sound different. finally, I`d > > > like to get the > > > variable sync point as the 259, and we can`t get > > > this with either A111 > > > or other VCO in the market (well, I own a polyfusion > > > VCLFO that have > > > this...) > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Josue. > > > > > > > hello josue, > > > > > > > > that's not a good comparison,in my opinion.the > > > guitar > > > > > > > > sound is already very complicated when it leaves > > > the > > > > > > > > guitar and then it is just distorted by the pedal. > > > > > > > > but,the triangle waveform is JUST a triangle > > > > > > > > waveform(a rather pure sound)and then it is > > > processed > > > > > > > > via a much more complicated device(the a111 > > > > > > > > expander/complex waveshaper module)before it > > > reaches > > > > > > > > our ears. > > > > > > > > so,yes,it could be possible that the organic > > > quality > > > > > > > > of the sound is caused by the complex > > > > > > > > waveshaper,maybe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also,the analogue systems vco is created by > > > discrete > > > > > > > > components but it doesn't sound better than my > > > a111 > > > > > > > > ,to my ears.so,you cannot say for sure that a > > > discrete > > > > > > > > vco will sound better than a curtis CEM vco. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that said,i still prefer the buchla 259 complex > > > vco > > > > > > > > module solution!why? because i want a competely > > > new > > > > > > > > vco module,NOT based on a curtis chip that, sooner > > > or > > > > > > > > later, we all know that it will become obsolete. > > > > > > > > bakis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "ALMAGATA@telefonica.net" > > > > > > > > <almagata@telefonica.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure mate, or will sound the same a 50`s > > > > > > > > > stratocaster and a 100$ guitar > > > > > > > > > if both them are using the same distortion > > > pedal? > > > > > > > > > Also I`d like to point to the excellent > > > Plan-B VCO > > > > > > > > > peter grenader is > > > > > > > > > making, do you think it sound the same than > > > the > > > > > > > > > A111? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Josue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tt> > > > > > > > > > > So the &quot;organic > > > quality&quot; of a possible > > > > > > > > > 259 expander > > > > > > > > > > depends also on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any (im)perfections of the triangle > > > source that > > > > > > > > > goes in ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > Bakis Siros > > > > > > > > Parallel Worlds / Polariton > > > > > > > > Athens-Greece > > > > > > > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner > > > > > > > > http://www.shimarecords.co.uk > > > > > > > > http://www.ward12.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: buchla 259 vco or expander(dieter's answer)
2004-08-07 by ALMAGATA@telefonica.net