Doepfer

hello stuadh,

i don't think that florian meant you, so there is no
need to be angry. i think what he wrote is absolutely valid
and afaik exactly this happened to doepfer some years ago.
they had bad experience with selling kits, so they won't
do it anymore. a general diy page which can only be used
by experienced builders is quite "save" for doepfer.
you know, a burned child avoids the fire.

btw, i never was keen enough to build my own modules,
so you have my full respect.

best wishes

ingo



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "stuadh" <stuadh@h...> wrote:
> Florian,
> 
>   if I were to make a mess of a project I would have no grounds to 
> blame a (well written) DIY site.  I don't believe that Doepfer is 
> offering any warranty on modules made using their site.  Apart 
> from anything else, how many of us on this forum have added 
> Analogue Systems, Analogue Solutions, homemade and 
> goodness knows what else modules to our cases, thereby 
> rendering null any warranty and therefore legal obligation on 
> behalf of Doepfer (or ASys etc) for mechanical malfunction.  I did 
> so based on the information on the Doepfer site.
>  
>   "Every "idiot" will continue beeing an idiot. "
> 
>   Are you suggesting that by having clearly explained projects to 
> try that I would never learn anything about building projects?  
> How then did I manage to build my Dual Attenuator - all with no 
> previous experience.  I haven't destroyed my synth, burned down 
> the house or electrocuted myself (although I freely accept that 
> Doepfer, A Sys their employees or any or their immediate family 
> are not liable should such an event occur).
> 
>   As is happens, I'm now much neater at soldering, and I now 
> understand how attenuators work, and why those componemts 
> were used.  It has also given me an increased interest in 
> building parts of my synth.  I'm currently designing a 20U case to 
> build (don't worry, I'll get a qualified electrician to check it 
over).  
> I'm also not a trained carpenter, should I leave all the woodwork 
> to the professionals, too?  If so, why have a DIY (Do-It-Yourself) 
> page at all?
> 
>   "He would crash his pcbs and solder his components to death, 
> the idiot will blame me that his diy-project failed"
> 
> and yet,
> 
>   "There are a lot of well described diy-project out there"
> 
> ...which you suggested I should start with.  Why aren't these 
> diy-project sites/companies being snowed under by idiots who 
> are blaming them for every failure and mistake?
> 
>   "the idiot will blame me that his diy-project failed... he simply 
> still is an idiot."
> 
>   ...or he will look at the clearly explained instructions which 
help 
> him understand why each component is chosen and placed, 
> and he will realise his mistake, and LEARN.
> 
>   "And of course he will tell this to the world."
> 
>   And the world will say, "why didn't you follow the clearly 
> explained instructions?"
> 
> Stuadh
> 
>   Six months ago, I knew nothing about analogue synthesis, 
> having only experienc of sample-based synths and samplers.  
> However, I read up on the subject, bought an A Sys Minisynth, 
> and started experimenting.  Should I have stayed well clear of 
> analogue synthesis, too.  Three years ago, I knew nothing about 
> computers.  So I read up, bought a 2nd hand Mac, learned how 
> to work it, and I now maintain my own computer which has 
> various specialised music applications on it.  It is integrated 
into 
> my little music studio (including the my doep/A Sys hybrid).  Oh, 
> by the way, it has never been back to a repair shop.  I've always 
> managed to learn from experience.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander 
> <Florian.Anwander@c...> wrote:
> > Hi stuadh
> > 
> > > I would appreciate if all 
> > > components were shown in idiot-proof detail.
> > If I was Doepfer, I would not do that.
> > 
> > The story would go that way: Every "idiot" will continue beeing 
> an 
> > idiot. He will do things I never thought he could do. He would 
> crash his 
> > pcbs and solder his components to death, the idiot will blame 
> me that 
> > his diy-project failed, and he wont get it fixed anyway as much 
> as I 
> > will help him (while the time, I should work on developping 
> moduls) - he 
> > simply still is an idiot. The result will be, that the idiot will 
be 
> > very unsatisfied and he will blame his mistake to me - not to 
> his own. 
> > And of course he will tell this to the world.
> > 
> > So to my opinion the only way the word "idiot-proof" should be 
> > understood is, that a DIY-page is proven, that idiots 
> understand, that 
> > they should keep their hands off.
> > 
> > Ok, this is described in extreme words. In reality I should say: 
> There 
> > are a lot of well described diy-project out there (commercial 
> and 
> > non-commercial). Start with them, learn with them, and the 
> time will 
> > come soon, you will be able to work with the Doepfer DIY-page.
> > 
> > Just my 2 cts
> > 
> > Florian