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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Digest Number 1448

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Digest Number 1448

2006-04-07 by royce

hi list,
  
  i am would like to trigger my cr80000 drum machine from my modular and  via midi. . . but i've noticed that the cr8000 internally seems to want  a trigger signal that is the opposite polarity of the standard signal.  i know that there are commercially available voltage invertors. the  problem is i want to invert about 14 channels, so this would get  prohibitively expensive. is this something that can be done easily?  anybody have any ideas, or a boatload of cheap voltage inverters?
  royce
  
  
		
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AW: [Doepfer_a100] Digest Number 1448

2006-04-07 by Dieter Doepfer

Look at our A-100 DIY page. Here you find the circuit of a voltage inverter
(inverting amplifier). It's just the circuit that is used in the A-175 (in
the A-175 only LED displays have been added).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von royce
> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. April 2006 14:28
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Digest Number 1448
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> hi list,
>
>   i am would like to trigger my cr80000 drum machine from my
> modular and  via midi. . . but i've noticed that the cr8000
> internally seems to want  a trigger signal that is the opposite
> polarity of the standard signal.  i know that there are
> commercially available voltage invertors. the  problem is i want
> to invert about 14 channels, so this would get  prohibitively
> expensive. is this something that can be done easily?  anybody
> have any ideas, or a boatload of cheap voltage inverters?
>   royce
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Re: Digest Number 1448

2006-04-07 by rrooyyccee

hi dieter,
thanks alot for the tip. i'm impressed that you support diy efforts.
they are still somewhat beyond my technical abilities.
do you, or do you know of anybody, that could custom make a module for
me that would invert say 8 - 12 gate signals for under 100 us$?
royce
--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@...>
wrote:
>
> Look at our A-100 DIY page. Here you find the circuit of a voltage
inverter
> (inverting amplifier). It's just the circuit that is used in the
A-175 (in
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> the A-175 only LED displays have been added).
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> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
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> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von royce
> > Gesendet: Freitag, 7. April 2006 14:28
> > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Digest Number 1448
> >
> >
> > hi list,
> >
> >   i am would like to trigger my cr80000 drum machine from my
> > modular and  via midi. . . but i've noticed that the cr8000
> > internally seems to want  a trigger signal that is the opposite
> > polarity of the standard signal.  i know that there are
> > commercially available voltage invertors. the  problem is i want
> > to invert about 14 channels, so this would get  prohibitively
> > expensive. is this something that can be done easily?  anybody
> > have any ideas, or a boatload of cheap voltage inverters?
> >   royce
> >
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Digest Number 1448

2006-04-07 by Brandon Daniel

On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, rrooyyccee wrote:

> hi dieter,
> thanks alot for the tip. i'm impressed that you support diy efforts.
> they are still somewhat beyond my technical abilities.
> do you, or do you know of anybody, that could custom make a module for
> me that would invert say 8 - 12 gate signals for under 100 us$?

Just a guess, but I don't think you're actually looking to "invert" the 
signals so much as "convert" them.

The behavior you described (triggering when trigger is off, not sounding 
when trigger is on) isn't an inverted trigger (0v normal, -v trig) but a 
classic s-trig (+v normal, 0v trig) like moog synths and many early drum 
machines used.

There's a circuit that's been on the web for ages for this:

http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Moog/schematics/moog.trigger-convert.jpg

A bunch of these may do the trick for you. Alternately, you could use a 
relay circuit for the job, which is what I'm having to do with my dr110...

-Brandon

AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Digest Number 1448

2006-04-10 by Dieter Doepfer

Sorry - no chance. Even if we would charge nothing for our development
working time (i.e. time required for schematics, pcb layout, front panel
dimension sketch) - what is not possible - even the basic manufacturing
charges for one module (parts of the board, production of one pcb,
collecting/ordering the parts for one board, manual assembly of one board,
front panel manufacturing and printing for 1 pcs ...) would be far beyond
the prescribed US$100.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von rrooyyccee
> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. April 2006 20:47
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Digest Number 1448
>
>
> hi dieter,
> thanks alot for the tip. i'm impressed that you support diy efforts.
> they are still somewhat beyond my technical abilities.
> do you, or do you know of anybody, that could custom make a module for
> me that would invert say 8 - 12 gate signals for under 100 us$?
> royce
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Look at our A-100 DIY page. Here you find the circuit of a voltage
> inverter
> > (inverting amplifier). It's just the circuit that is used in the
> A-175 (in
> > the A-175 only LED displays have been added).
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von royce
> > > Gesendet: Freitag, 7. April 2006 14:28
> > > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Digest Number 1448
> > >
> > >
> > > hi list,
> > >
> > >   i am would like to trigger my cr80000 drum machine from my
> > > modular and  via midi. . . but i've noticed that the cr8000
> > > internally seems to want  a trigger signal that is the opposite
> > > polarity of the standard signal.  i know that there are
> > > commercially available voltage invertors. the  problem is i want
> > > to invert about 14 channels, so this would get  prohibitively
> > > expensive. is this something that can be done easily?  anybody
> > > have any ideas, or a boatload of cheap voltage inverters?
> > >   royce
> > >
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AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Digest Number 1448

2006-04-10 by Dieter Doepfer

or at our FAQ page > Converting Gate to Switched Trigger

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Brandon Daniel
> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. April 2006 21:43
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Digest Number 1448
>
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> On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, rrooyyccee wrote:
>
> > hi dieter,
> > thanks alot for the tip. i'm impressed that you support diy efforts.
> > they are still somewhat beyond my technical abilities.
> > do you, or do you know of anybody, that could custom make a module for
> > me that would invert say 8 - 12 gate signals for under 100 us$?
>
> Just a guess, but I don't think you're actually looking to "invert" the
> signals so much as "convert" them.
>
> The behavior you described (triggering when trigger is off, not sounding
> when trigger is on) isn't an inverted trigger (0v normal, -v trig) but a
> classic s-trig (+v normal, 0v trig) like moog synths and many early drum
> machines used.
>
> There's a circuit that's been on the web for ages for this:
>
> http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Moog/schematics/moog.t
> rigger-convert.jpg
>
> A bunch of these may do the trick for you. Alternately, you could use a
> relay circuit for the job, which is what I'm having to do with my dr110...
>
> -Brandon
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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