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Re: buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever made why doesnt doepfer clone it?

Re: buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever made why doesnt doepfer clone it?

2006-05-15 by selfoscillate

it depends upon what you do with the vco.
the plan b model 15 can sound totally different
compared to an a111, and vice versa.

what does "not better" mean for you?






--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@...> wrote:
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> It's good, but not 'better' than the A-111
> 
> > Have a look at the Plan B VCO, it's based on a Buchla design and 
is a
> > fantastic VCO.
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> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever 
made why
> > doesnt doepfer clone it?
> >
> >
> > Anyone who has heard this oscillator will know that it is at 
least 20
> > times better than any other oscillator.
> > Ive heard just about every oscillator out there inc ,serge,plan
> > b ,cynthias thru zero,arp2500,2600,synthi 100, and it beats them 
all
> > easily so im presuming the only reason it hasnt been done is 
because
> > you dont know about it so mr dopefer I know you should make it 
your
> > business to check it out your a100 system is going from strength
> > strength and if you pulled this off you had have the most enviable
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RE: [Doepfer_a100] buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever made why doesnt doepfer clone it?

2006-05-15 by Dubshot

It's good, but not 'better' than the A-111
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> Have a look at the Plan B VCO, it's based on a Buchla design and is a
> fantastic VCO.
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> On Behalf Of heritage_flowline
> Sent: 13 May 2006 11:44
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever made why
> doesnt doepfer clone it?
>
>
> Anyone who has heard this oscillator will know that it is at least 20
> times better than any other oscillator.
> Ive heard just about every oscillator out there inc ,serge,plan
> b ,cynthias thru zero,arp2500,2600,synthi 100, and it beats them all
> easily so im presuming the only reason it hasnt been done is because
> you dont know about it so mr dopefer I know you should make it your
> business to check it out your a100 system is going from strength
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> modular module ever.
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Re: 149.1 and 149.2

2006-05-15 by selfoscillate

hello richard,


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <richardscott@...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi guys
> 
> I am very interested in modules for soundscaping or "noodling". 
These buchla inspired ones look interesting - but what other modules 
would I need to get the best out of them?
>
> How do you guys use them???  

the upper two outputs of the a149/1 are quantized to semitones,
so these voltages are good for controlling the pitch of vco's.

other good candidates for a149/1 modulations are vcf's,
vc envelopes, vca's, wave multipliers, virtually all modules
with cv inputs.

 
> in particular I am not sure where I would route the ouputs from the 
149.2?


the a149/2 outputs gate signals (only high/low), so you can use them
to trigger envelope generators, sequencers, switches and such stuff.


> I like the idea of a modular system as essentially an uber- 
monosynth so my current system has many filters but only has one VCO, 
I will add another VCO but I prefer resonance and feedback to using 
loads of VCOs 


anyway i recommend a second vco, as it will add a lot
of new possibilities, plus you can do fm and cross-modulation
with two vco's. 

best wishes

ingo

Re: buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever made why doesnt doepfer clone it?

2006-05-15 by selfoscillate

ok, know i understand that term better.
i'm just curious, how would you describe the
basic sound of a buchla 259 compared to other vco's?

best wishes

ingo



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@...> wrote:
>
> you can say the a-111 sounds better than the a-110 (but not 20 
times :-)
> by just comparing the 'basic' waveforms, but the basic sound of the 
model
> 15 and the a-111 is more or less identical. the model 15 fm is more
> extreme than the a-111, but not really a *lot* more versatile in a 
musical
> sense. the polarizers are very nice, the morph isn't really 
spectacular
> 
> 
> > it depends upon what you do with the vco.
> > the plan b model 15 can sound totally different
> > compared to an a111, and vice versa.
> >
> > what does "not better" mean for you?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@> wrote:
> >>
> >> It's good, but not 'better' than the A-111
> >>
> >> > Have a look at the Plan B VCO, it's based on a Buchla design 
and
> > is a
> >> > fantastic VCO.
> >> >
> >> > David Salter
> >> > Senior Project Manager
> >> > Reuters Ltd
> >> > Tel       +44 20 7542 2402
> >> > Mob     +44 7990562402
> >> > email    david.salter@
> >> > RM       david.salter.reuters@
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ________________________________
> >> >
> >> > From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]
> >> > On Behalf Of heritage_flowline
> >> > Sent: 13 May 2006 11:44
> >> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> >> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever
> > made why
> >> > doesnt doepfer clone it?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Anyone who has heard this oscillator will know that it is at
> > least 20
> >> > times better than any other oscillator.
> >> > Ive heard just about every oscillator out there inc ,serge,plan
> >> > b ,cynthias thru zero,arp2500,2600,synthi 100, and it beats 
them
> > all
> >> > easily so im presuming the only reason it hasnt been done is
> > because
> >> > you dont know about it so mr dopefer I know you should make it
> > your
> >> > business to check it out your a100 system is going from 
strength
> >> > strength and if you pulled this off you had have the most 
enviable
> >> > modular module ever.
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever made why doesnt doepfer clone it?

2006-05-15 by selfoscillate

please excuse me, but how can you say that the buchla 259
sounds 20 times better than other vco's then?
you cannot judge what you haven't heard, no?



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@...> wrote:
>
> don't know, i never heard one, is it different from the a-111?
> 
> > ok, know i understand that term better.
> > i'm just curious, how would you describe the
> > basic sound of a buchla 259 compared to other vco's?
> >
> > best wishes
> >
> > ingo
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@> wrote:
> >>
> >> you can say the a-111 sounds better than the a-110 (but not 20
> > times :-)
> >> by just comparing the 'basic' waveforms, but the basic sound of 
the
> > model
> >> 15 and the a-111 is more or less identical. the model 15 fm is 
more
> >> extreme than the a-111, but not really a *lot* more versatile in 
a
> > musical
> >> sense. the polarizers are very nice, the morph isn't really
> > spectacular
> >>
> >>
> >> > it depends upon what you do with the vco.
> >> > the plan b model 15 can sound totally different
> >> > compared to an a111, and vice versa.
> >> >
> >> > what does "not better" mean for you?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@> 
wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> It's good, but not 'better' than the A-111
> >> >>
> >> >> > Have a look at the Plan B VCO, it's based on a Buchla design
> > and
> >> > is a
> >> >> > fantastic VCO.
> >> >> >
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> >> >> > Senior Project Manager
> >> >> > Reuters Ltd
> >> >> > Tel       +44 20 7542 2402
> >> >> > Mob     +44 7990562402
> >> >> > email    david.salter@
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> >> >> > On Behalf Of heritage_flowline
> >> >> > Sent: 13 May 2006 11:44
> >> >> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] buchla 259 is the best oscillator 
ever
> >> > made why
> >> >> > doesnt doepfer clone it?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyone who has heard this oscillator will know that it is at
> >> > least 20
> >> >> > times better than any other oscillator.
> >> >> > Ive heard just about every oscillator out there 
inc ,serge,plan
> >> >> > b ,cynthias thru zero,arp2500,2600,synthi 100, and it beats
> > them
> >> > all
> >> >> > easily so im presuming the only reason it hasnt been done is
> >> > because
> >> >> > you dont know about it so mr dopefer I know you should make 
it
> >> > your
> >> >> > business to check it out your a100 system is going from
> > strength
> >> >> > strength and if you pulled this off you had have the most
> > enviable
> >> >> > modular module ever.
> >> >> >
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149.1 and 149.2

2006-05-15 by Richard

Hi guys

I am very interested in modules for soundscaping or "noodling". These buchla inspired ones look interesting - but what other modules would I need to get the best out of them?

How do you guys use them???  

in particular I am not sure where I would route the ouputs from the 149.2?

I like the idea of a modular system as essentially an uber- monosynth so my current system has many filters but only has one VCO, I will add another VCO but I prefer resonance and feedback to using loads of VCOs 

Richard


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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever made why doesnt doepfer clone it?

2006-05-15 by Dubshot

you can say the a-111 sounds better than the a-110 (but not 20 times :-)
by just comparing the 'basic' waveforms, but the basic sound of the model
15 and the a-111 is more or less identical. the model 15 fm is more
extreme than the a-111, but not really a *lot* more versatile in a musical
sense. the polarizers are very nice, the morph isn't really spectacular
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> it depends upon what you do with the vco.
> the plan b model 15 can sound totally different
> compared to an a111, and vice versa.
>
> what does "not better" mean for you?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@...> wrote:
>>
>> It's good, but not 'better' than the A-111
>>
>> > Have a look at the Plan B VCO, it's based on a Buchla design and
> is a
>> > fantastic VCO.
>> >
>> > David Salter
>> > Senior Project Manager
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>> > On Behalf Of heritage_flowline
>> > Sent: 13 May 2006 11:44
>> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever
> made why
>> > doesnt doepfer clone it?
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyone who has heard this oscillator will know that it is at
> least 20
>> > times better than any other oscillator.
>> > Ive heard just about every oscillator out there inc ,serge,plan
>> > b ,cynthias thru zero,arp2500,2600,synthi 100, and it beats them
> all
>> > easily so im presuming the only reason it hasnt been done is
> because
>> > you dont know about it so mr dopefer I know you should make it
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever made why doesnt doepfer clone it?

2006-05-15 by Dubshot

don't know, i never heard one, is it different from the a-111?
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> ok, know i understand that term better.
> i'm just curious, how would you describe the
> basic sound of a buchla 259 compared to other vco's?
>
> best wishes
>
> ingo
>
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@...> wrote:
>>
>> you can say the a-111 sounds better than the a-110 (but not 20
> times :-)
>> by just comparing the 'basic' waveforms, but the basic sound of the
> model
>> 15 and the a-111 is more or less identical. the model 15 fm is more
>> extreme than the a-111, but not really a *lot* more versatile in a
> musical
>> sense. the polarizers are very nice, the morph isn't really
> spectacular
>>
>>
>> > it depends upon what you do with the vco.
>> > the plan b model 15 can sound totally different
>> > compared to an a111, and vice versa.
>> >
>> > what does "not better" mean for you?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It's good, but not 'better' than the A-111
>> >>
>> >> > Have a look at the Plan B VCO, it's based on a Buchla design
> and
>> > is a
>> >> > fantastic VCO.
>> >> >
>> >> > David Salter
>> >> > Senior Project Manager
>> >> > Reuters Ltd
>> >> > Tel       +44 20 7542 2402
>> >> > Mob     +44 7990562402
>> >> > email    david.salter@
>> >> > RM       david.salter.reuters@
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ________________________________
>> >> >
>> >> > From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>> > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]
>> >> > On Behalf Of heritage_flowline
>> >> > Sent: 13 May 2006 11:44
>> >> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>> >> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever
>> > made why
>> >> > doesnt doepfer clone it?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone who has heard this oscillator will know that it is at
>> > least 20
>> >> > times better than any other oscillator.
>> >> > Ive heard just about every oscillator out there inc ,serge,plan
>> >> > b ,cynthias thru zero,arp2500,2600,synthi 100, and it beats
> them
>> > all
>> >> > easily so im presuming the only reason it hasnt been done is
>> > because
>> >> > you dont know about it so mr dopefer I know you should make it
>> > your
>> >> > business to check it out your a100 system is going from
> strength
>> >> > strength and if you pulled this off you had have the most
> enviable
>> >> > modular module ever.
>> >> >
>> >> >
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever made why doesnt doepfer clone it?

2006-05-15 by Dubshot

that wasn't me :-)))

Anton
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> please excuse me, but how can you say that the buchla 259
> sounds 20 times better than other vco's then?
> you cannot judge what you haven't heard, no?
>
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@...> wrote:
>>
>> don't know, i never heard one, is it different from the a-111?
>>
>> > ok, know i understand that term better.
>> > i'm just curious, how would you describe the
>> > basic sound of a buchla 259 compared to other vco's?
>> >
>> > best wishes
>> >
>> > ingo
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> you can say the a-111 sounds better than the a-110 (but not 20
>> > times :-)
>> >> by just comparing the 'basic' waveforms, but the basic sound of
> the
>> > model
>> >> 15 and the a-111 is more or less identical. the model 15 fm is
> more
>> >> extreme than the a-111, but not really a *lot* more versatile in
> a
>> > musical
>> >> sense. the polarizers are very nice, the morph isn't really
>> > spectacular
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > it depends upon what you do with the vco.
>> >> > the plan b model 15 can sound totally different
>> >> > compared to an a111, and vice versa.
>> >> >
>> >> > what does "not better" mean for you?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@>
> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's good, but not 'better' than the A-111
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Have a look at the Plan B VCO, it's based on a Buchla design
>> > and
>> >> > is a
>> >> >> > fantastic VCO.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > David Salter
>> >> >> > Senior Project Manager
>> >> >> > Reuters Ltd
>> >> >> > Tel       +44 20 7542 2402
>> >> >> > Mob     +44 7990562402
>> >> >> > email    david.salter@
>> >> >> > RM       david.salter.reuters@
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > ________________________________
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>> >> > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]
>> >> >> > On Behalf Of heritage_flowline
>> >> >> > Sent: 13 May 2006 11:44
>> >> >> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>> >> >> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] buchla 259 is the best oscillator
> ever
>> >> > made why
>> >> >> > doesnt doepfer clone it?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Anyone who has heard this oscillator will know that it is at
>> >> > least 20
>> >> >> > times better than any other oscillator.
>> >> >> > Ive heard just about every oscillator out there
> inc ,serge,plan
>> >> >> > b ,cynthias thru zero,arp2500,2600,synthi 100, and it beats
>> > them
>> >> > all
>> >> >> > easily so im presuming the only reason it hasnt been done is
>> >> > because
>> >> >> > you dont know about it so mr dopefer I know you should make
> it
>> >> > your
>> >> >> > business to check it out your a100 system is going from
>> > strength
>> >> >> > strength and if you pulled this off you had have the most
>> > enviable
>> >> >> > modular module ever.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever made why doesnt doepfer clone it?

2006-05-15 by Josue Arias

I think is a matter of opinions but the "most perfect" waveform is not the
most musical or good sounding wave... for example I preffer the A-110 over
the A-111 everytime, the CEM based A111 would be very useful for low drift
aplications or when purer waves are needed but the sound is not musical, it
lacks the magic.

I have tons of different VCOs but comparing just the ones in doepfer format
here is my preference:

1. PlanB Model15
2. AS RS90
3. A110
4. A111

Counting all other VCOs I have, my first choice for the best sounding (or
more musical and "live" sounding) is the EMS Synthi VCO, followed by the
driscoll modular VCOs, serge VCOs and the roland system-100 VCOs.

Josue.





2006/5/15, Dubshot <dubshot@xs4all.nl>:
>
>
> that wasn't me :-)))
>
> Anton
>
> > please excuse me, but how can you say that the buchla 259
> > sounds 20 times better than other vco's then?
> > you cannot judge what you haven't heard, no?
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> don't know, i never heard one, is it different from the a-111?
> >>
> >> > ok, know i understand that term better.
> >> > i'm just curious, how would you describe the
> >> > basic sound of a buchla 259 compared to other vco's?
> >> >
> >> > best wishes
> >> >
> >> > ingo
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> you can say the a-111 sounds better than the a-110 (but not 20
> >> > times :-)
> >> >> by just comparing the 'basic' waveforms, but the basic sound of
> > the
> >> > model
> >> >> 15 and the a-111 is more or less identical. the model 15 fm is
> > more
> >> >> extreme than the a-111, but not really a *lot* more versatile in
> > a
> >> > musical
> >> >> sense. the polarizers are very nice, the morph isn't really
> >> > spectacular
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > it depends upon what you do with the vco.
> >> >> > the plan b model 15 can sound totally different
> >> >> > compared to an a111, and vice versa.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > what does "not better" mean for you?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@>
> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It's good, but not 'better' than the A-111
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Have a look at the Plan B VCO, it's based on a Buchla design
> >> > and
> >> >> > is a
> >> >> >> > fantastic VCO.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > David Salter
> >> >> >> > Senior Project Manager
> >> >> >> > Reuters Ltd
> >> >> >> > Tel       +44 20 7542 2402
> >> >> >> > Mob     +44 7990562402
> >> >> >> > email    david.salter@
> >> >> >> > RM       david.salter.reuters@
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> >> >> >> >
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> >> >> >> > Sent: 13 May 2006 11:44
> >> >> >> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> >> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] buchla 259 is the best oscillator
> > ever
> >> >> > made why
> >> >> >> > doesnt doepfer clone it?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Anyone who has heard this oscillator will know that it is at
> >> >> > least 20
> >> >> >> > times better than any other oscillator.
> >> >> >> > Ive heard just about every oscillator out there
> > inc ,serge,plan
> >> >> >> > b ,cynthias thru zero,arp2500,2600,synthi 100, and it beats
> >> > them
> >> >> > all
> >> >> >> > easily so im presuming the only reason it hasnt been done is
> >> >> > because
> >> >> >> > you dont know about it so mr dopefer I know you should make
> > it
> >> >> > your
> >> >> >> > business to check it out your a100 system is going from
> >> > strength
> >> >> >> > strength and if you pulled this off you had have the most
> >> > enviable
> >> >> >> > modular module ever.
> >> >> >> >
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever made why doesnt doepfer clone it?

2006-05-15 by Josue Arias

Without any mods, of course!

Josue.


2006/5/15, Julian <julian@port23.net>:
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Re: buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever made why doesnt doepfer clone it?

2006-05-16 by selfoscillate

hehehe yes, i know, sorry for the confusion.

but i'm still hoping that the guy who posted the
original mail is willing to answer this question.
how would a buchla 259 compare to all those other
vco's out there, in regard of it's basic sound.
i really want to know what makes it superior over
other vco's.

best wishes

ingo



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@...> wrote:
>
> 
> that wasn't me :-)))
> 
> Anton
> 
> > please excuse me, but how can you say that the buchla 259
> > sounds 20 times better than other vco's then?
> > you cannot judge what you haven't heard, no?
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@> wrote:
> >>
> >> don't know, i never heard one, is it different from the a-111?
> >>
> >> > ok, know i understand that term better.
> >> > i'm just curious, how would you describe the
> >> > basic sound of a buchla 259 compared to other vco's?
> >> >
> >> > best wishes
> >> >
> >> > ingo
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@> 
wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> you can say the a-111 sounds better than the a-110 (but not 20
> >> > times :-)
> >> >> by just comparing the 'basic' waveforms, but the basic sound 
of
> > the
> >> > model
> >> >> 15 and the a-111 is more or less identical. the model 15 fm is
> > more
> >> >> extreme than the a-111, but not really a *lot* more versatile 
in
> > a
> >> > musical
> >> >> sense. the polarizers are very nice, the morph isn't really
> >> > spectacular
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > it depends upon what you do with the vco.
> >> >> > the plan b model 15 can sound totally different
> >> >> > compared to an a111, and vice versa.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > what does "not better" mean for you?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@>
> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It's good, but not 'better' than the A-111
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Have a look at the Plan B VCO, it's based on a Buchla 
design
> >> > and
> >> >> > is a
> >> >> >> > fantastic VCO.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > David Salter
> >> >> >> > Senior Project Manager
> >> >> >> > Reuters Ltd
> >> >> >> > Tel       +44 20 7542 2402
> >> >> >> > Mob     +44 7990562402
> >> >> >> > email    david.salter@
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> >> >> >> > On Behalf Of heritage_flowline
> >> >> >> > Sent: 13 May 2006 11:44
> >> >> >> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> >> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] buchla 259 is the best oscillator
> > ever
> >> >> > made why
> >> >> >> > doesnt doepfer clone it?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Anyone who has heard this oscillator will know that it 
is at
> >> >> > least 20
> >> >> >> > times better than any other oscillator.
> >> >> >> > Ive heard just about every oscillator out there
> > inc ,serge,plan
> >> >> >> > b ,cynthias thru zero,arp2500,2600,synthi 100, and it 
beats
> >> > them
> >> >> > all
> >> >> >> > easily so im presuming the only reason it hasnt been 
done is
> >> >> > because
> >> >> >> > you dont know about it so mr dopefer I know you should 
make
> > it
> >> >> > your
> >> >> >> > business to check it out your a100 system is going from
> >> > strength
> >> >> >> > strength and if you pulled this off you had have the most
> >> > enviable
> >> >> >> > modular module ever.
> >> >> >> >
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+air+filter&w2=A100&w3=Midi+converter&w4=Modular+system&w5=Module&c=5&
> >> >> > s=
> >> >> >> > 89&.sig=4z4o_X8-pJMV_ZkWpcUzfQ>  	A100
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Serge....Buchla

2006-05-16 by William Soraparu

Buchla's VCO sound was eclectic and eccentric....ultra variable....what comes closest....although not in sound..but in the way you can manipulate...would be Serge...
   
  No easy answers in Analog!!
   
  Bill From Hawaii

selfoscillate <synaptic_music@yahoo.com> wrote:
  
hehehe yes, i know, sorry for the confusion.

but i'm still hoping that the guy who posted the
original mail is willing to answer this question.
how would a buchla 259 compare to all those other
vco's out there, in regard of it's basic sound.
i really want to know what makes it superior over
other vco's.

best wishes

ingo



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@...> wrote:
>
> 
> that wasn't me :-)))
> 
> Anton
> 
> > please excuse me, but how can you say that the buchla 259
> > sounds 20 times better than other vco's then?
> > you cannot judge what you haven't heard, no?
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@> wrote:
> >>
> >> don't know, i never heard one, is it different from the a-111?
> >>
> >> > ok, know i understand that term better.
> >> > i'm just curious, how would you describe the
> >> > basic sound of a buchla 259 compared to other vco's?
> >> >
> >> > best wishes
> >> >
> >> > ingo
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@> 
wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> you can say the a-111 sounds better than the a-110 (but not 20
> >> > times :-)
> >> >> by just comparing the 'basic' waveforms, but the basic sound 
of
> > the
> >> > model
> >> >> 15 and the a-111 is more or less identical. the model 15 fm is
> > more
> >> >> extreme than the a-111, but not really a *lot* more versatile 
in
> > a
> >> > musical
> >> >> sense. the polarizers are very nice, the morph isn't really
> >> > spectacular
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > it depends upon what you do with the vco.
> >> >> > the plan b model 15 can sound totally different
> >> >> > compared to an a111, and vice versa.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > what does "not better" mean for you?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dubshot" <dubshot@>
> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It's good, but not 'better' than the A-111
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Have a look at the Plan B VCO, it's based on a Buchla 
design
> >> > and
> >> >> > is a
> >> >> >> > fantastic VCO.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > David Salter
> >> >> >> > Senior Project Manager
> >> >> >> > Reuters Ltd
> >> >> >> > Tel       +44 20 7542 2402
> >> >> >> > Mob     +44 7990562402
> >> >> >> > email    david.salter@
> >> >> >> > RM       david.salter.reuters@
> >> >> >> >
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> >> >> >> > On Behalf Of heritage_flowline
> >> >> >> > Sent: 13 May 2006 11:44
> >> >> >> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> >> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] buchla 259 is the best oscillator
> > ever
> >> >> > made why
> >> >> >> > doesnt doepfer clone it?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Anyone who has heard this oscillator will know that it 
is at
> >> >> > least 20
> >> >> >> > times better than any other oscillator.
> >> >> >> > Ive heard just about every oscillator out there
> > inc ,serge,plan
> >> >> >> > b ,cynthias thru zero,arp2500,2600,synthi 100, and it 
beats
> >> > them
> >> >> > all
> >> >> >> > easily so im presuming the only reason it hasnt been 
done is
> >> >> > because
> >> >> >> > you dont know about it so mr dopefer I know you should 
make
> > it
> >> >> > your
> >> >> >> > business to check it out your a100 system is going from
> >> > strength
> >> >> >> > strength and if you pulled this off you had have the most
> >> > enviable
> >> >> >> > modular module ever.
> >> >> >> >
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever made why doesnt doepfer clone it?

2006-05-16 by Chris Muir

At 5:47 AM +0000 5/16/06, selfoscillate wrote:
>but i'm still hoping that the guy who posted the
>original mail is willing to answer this question.
>how would a buchla 259 compare to all those other
>vco's out there, in regard of it's basic sound.
>i really want to know what makes it superior over
>other vco's.

I'm not the original poster, but the Buchla 261e (which is the closest thing to the 259 that is currently made) is a dual oscillator, with one modulation oscillator with integrated VC waveshaping, and one principal oscillator with multi parameter VC timbre control. (the timbre control section often gets compared to the Serge wave multiplier. I haven't heard a wave multiplier in a long time, but I would guess that the comparison is in the ballpark.) The modulation oscillator can modulate the principal oscillator's amplitude, timbre and pitch, with a VC mod amount. The mod osc can also be hard or soft synced to the principal osc.

I haven't has a chance to listen to a 259 and a 261e at the same time, but people who have say that the timbre section on the 261e is more aggressive sounding.

I wouldn't want to say that the 261e (or 259) is the best oscillator, but It really has a _VERY_ wide, interesting, palette of sounds, all under voltage control.

261e page: http://www.buchla.com/200e/261e.html

-C

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wave modfication

2006-05-18 by Richard

Hi

i am interested in modules which can be used to modulate VCO outputs prior to filtering etc. I am particularly fond of using the spectral VCO and partial generator on the old Nord modular and am wondering if either the A116 or A137 would do the trick - not exactly obviously - or are their other modules I could look at. I basically want to have a VCO that is already animated and resonant before I hit the filters.

Richard

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] wave modfication

2006-05-18 by Bakis Sirros

hello richard,
yes, the a137 and the a136, a116 should give you lots
of vco animation, especially when you combine them
with complex cv sources!
regards,
Bakis.





--- Richard <richardscott@btconnect.com> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> i am interested in modules which can be used to
> modulate VCO outputs prior to filtering etc. I am
> particularly fond of using the spectral VCO and
> partial generator on the old Nord modular and am
> wondering if either the A116 or A137 would do the
> trick - not exactly obviously - or are their other
> modules I could look at. I basically want to have a
> VCO that is already animated and resonant before I
> hit the filters.
> 
> Richard
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 


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AW: [Doepfer_a100] wave modfication

2006-05-18 by Dieter Doepfer

We found a simple voltage controlled waveshaping possibility for the A-110
with the new universal vactrol module A-101-9. Connecting a vactrol output
of the A-101-9 (VAC1 or VAC2) in parallel to R33 of the A-110 leads to
voltage controlled waveshaping of the triangle and the sine output. The
triangle "morphs" from triangle to sawtooth, the sine output from sine to
"sawsine" (i.e. sawtooth but not with a linear shape but a rounded
sinewave). Especially the shaped sine sounds interesting. If I have time I
will do some MP3s. Details in the revised A-101-9 manual on our website.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer
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> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] wave modfication
>
>
> Hi
>
> i am interested in modules which can be used to modulate VCO
> outputs prior to filtering etc. I am particularly fond of using
> the spectral VCO and partial generator on the old Nord modular
> and am wondering if either the A116 or A137 would do the trick -
> not exactly obviously - or are their other modules I could look
> at. I basically want to have a VCO that is already animated and
> resonant before I hit the filters.
>
> Richard
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: buchla 259 is the best oscillator ever made why doesnt doepfer clone it?

2006-05-18 by mritenburg

The buchla 259 , and buchla modules in general, are special(unique)
because of the distinction between CV and signal patching, the signal 
voltages are 1vpp, and the VCO uses a triangle core.  I paraphrase a 
quote from Mr.Buchla in which he states somthing along the lines if: 
audio signals are negatively impacted by harmonic distortion and 
tolerate DC offset nicely, on the other hand control voltages are 
unaffect by harmonic distortion yet ipacted by DC offset.  By 
distinguising between and designing a ciruit with unique paths for 
each, the underlying circuitry can be designed for maximum performance 
of each.

That said, it makes no sense for doepfer to clone a 259 in function 
only since the fidelity, wide range, wave shaping and fm response are 
the primarily benefits of the module.

I suppose if Mr.Doepfer designed a module that had extrordinary 
fidelity, extrodinary wave shaping capabilities, wide range unswitched 
tracking, amplitude modulation, wave shaping modulation, and unmatched 
FM response, then it would be worth it.  

That said, I doubt Doepfer customers want a Dual VCO that costs $600+ 
USD like the Cynthia Zeroscillator.

Matt


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> hehehe yes, i know, sorry for the confusion.
> 
> but i'm still hoping that the guy who posted the
> original mail is willing to answer this question.
> how would a buchla 259 compare to all those other
> vco's out there, in regard of it's basic sound.
> i really want to know what makes it superior over
> other vco's.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> ingo

Re: [Doepfer_a100] wave modfication

2006-05-18 by Richard

thanks for the info, funds are limited so, as the A-101-9 is nor yet available, which of the A137 and the A136, A116 could be the most flexible, (or do I mean exciting???) place to start?

Richard
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  Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] wave modfication


  hello richard,
  yes, the a137 and the a136, a116 should give you lots
  of vco animation, especially when you combine them
  with complex cv sources!
  regards,
  Bakis.





  --- Richard <richardscott@btconnect.com> wrote:

  > Hi
  > 
  > i am interested in modules which can be used to
  > modulate VCO outputs prior to filtering etc. I am
  > particularly fond of using the spectral VCO and
  > partial generator on the old Nord modular and am
  > wondering if either the A116 or A137 would do the
  > trick - not exactly obviously - or are their other
  > modules I could look at. I basically want to have a
  > VCO that is already animated and resonant before I
  > hit the filters.
  > 
  > Richard
  > 
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been
  > removed]
  > 
  > 


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AW: [Doepfer_a100] wave modfication

2006-05-18 by Dieter Doepfer

The A-101-9 are avaiable since May 15, 2006. From the modules you mentioned
I think that the A-137 is the most flexible and most exciting one
(unfortunately even the most expensive).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer
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> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Richard
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2006 16:25
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] wave modfication
>
>
> thanks for the info, funds are limited so, as the A-101-9 is nor
> yet available, which of the A137 and the A136, A116 could be the
> most flexible, (or do I mean exciting???) place to start?
>
> Richard
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Bakis Sirros
>   To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:59 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] wave modfication
>
>
>   hello richard,
>   yes, the a137 and the a136, a116 should give you lots
>   of vco animation, especially when you combine them
>   with complex cv sources!
>   regards,
>   Bakis.
>
>
>
>
>
>   --- Richard <richardscott@btconnect.com> wrote:
>
>   > Hi
>   >
>   > i am interested in modules which can be used to
>   > modulate VCO outputs prior to filtering etc. I am
>   > particularly fond of using the spectral VCO and
>   > partial generator on the old Nord modular and am
>   > wondering if either the A116 or A137 would do the
>   > trick - not exactly obviously - or are their other
>   > modules I could look at. I basically want to have a
>   > VCO that is already animated and resonant before I
>   > hit the filters.
>   >
>   > Richard
>   >
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been
>   > removed]
>   >
>   >
>
>
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: 149.1 and 149.2

2006-05-18 by Richard

I wonder if anyone has compared the A149.1 with the blacet module: http://www.blacet.com/ID.html  any comments?

Richard
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  Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:11 PM
  Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: 149.1 and 149.2



  hello richard,


  --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <richardscott@...> 
  wrote:
  >
  > Hi guys
  > 
  > I am very interested in modules for soundscaping or "noodling". 
  These buchla inspired ones look interesting - but what other modules 
  would I need to get the best out of them?
  >
  > How do you guys use them???  

  the upper two outputs of the a149/1 are quantized to semitones,
  so these voltages are good for controlling the pitch of vco's.

  other good candidates for a149/1 modulations are vcf's,
  vc envelopes, vca's, wave multipliers, virtually all modules
  with cv inputs.


  > in particular I am not sure where I would route the ouputs from the 
  149.2?


  the a149/2 outputs gate signals (only high/low), so you can use them
  to trigger envelope generators, sequencers, switches and such stuff.


  > I like the idea of a modular system as essentially an uber- 
  monosynth so my current system has many filters but only has one VCO, 
  I will add another VCO but I prefer resonance and feedback to using 
  loads of VCOs 


  anyway i recommend a second vco, as it will add a lot
  of new possibilities, plus you can do fm and cross-modulation
  with two vco's. 

  best wishes

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Re: wave modfication

2006-05-19 by zoog_angelspit

HEY RICHARD!

the a-137 is an evil devise designed to torture you VCO.
I have a 136 also - it's brilliant, but the a-137 is EXTREMELY 
AMAZING.

hint:
very fast LFO -> a-137 -> FM modulate your Ocsillator.
or 
very fast LFO -> FM modulate your Ocsillator -> a-137

ROCK!

KARL.


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <richardscott@...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi
> 
> i am interested in modules which can be used to modulate VCO 
outputs prior to filtering etc. I am particularly fond of using the 
spectral VCO and partial generator on the old Nord modular and am 
wondering if either the A116 or A137 would do the trick - not 
exactly obviously - or are their other modules I could look at. I 
basically want to have a VCO that is already animated and resonant 
before I hit the filters.
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> Richard
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: 149.1 and 149.2

2006-05-19 by selfoscillate

hello richard,

i own both but haven't done a direct comparison.
for me both modules feel and react quite different, as
they use different techniques to obtain their output
signals. the a149/1 is specialized in generating
cv-signals only, while the blacet is a very flexible
analog/digital noise generator in the first place.
the blacet can also generate similar random cv events
as the a149/1, but the control over the randomness
is different.

best wishes

ingo



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <richardscott@...> 
wrote:
>
> I wonder if anyone has compared the A149.1 with the blacet module: 
http://www.blacet.com/ID.html  any comments?
> 
> Richard
>   ----- Original Message ----- http://www.blacet.com/ID.html
>   From: selfoscillate 
>   To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:11 PM
>   Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: 149.1 and 149.2
> 
> 
> 
>   hello richard,
> 
> 
>   --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <richardscott@> 
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > Hi guys
>   > 
>   > I am very interested in modules for soundscaping or "noodling". 
>   These buchla inspired ones look interesting - but what other 
modules 
>   would I need to get the best out of them?
>   >
>   > How do you guys use them???  
> 
>   the upper two outputs of the a149/1 are quantized to semitones,
>   so these voltages are good for controlling the pitch of vco's.
> 
>   other good candidates for a149/1 modulations are vcf's,
>   vc envelopes, vca's, wave multipliers, virtually all modules
>   with cv inputs.
> 
> 
>   > in particular I am not sure where I would route the ouputs from 
the 
>   149.2?
> 
> 
>   the a149/2 outputs gate signals (only high/low), so you can use 
them
>   to trigger envelope generators, sequencers, switches and such 
stuff.
> 
> 
>   > I like the idea of a modular system as essentially an uber- 
>   monosynth so my current system has many filters but only has one 
VCO, 
>   I will add another VCO but I prefer resonance and feedback to 
using 
>   loads of VCOs 
> 
> 
>   anyway i recommend a second vco, as it will add a lot
>   of new possibilities, plus you can do fm and cross-modulation
>   with two vco's. 
> 
>   best wishes
> 
>   ingo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Problems with 4096 stages BBD modules

2006-05-19 by Dieter Doepfer

Dear members,

I have very bad news concerning the BBD modules with 4096 stages. Yesterday
we received the second batch of BBD circuits with 4096 stages. We tested
them immediately (Florian, thank's for the note concerning the problems of
other BBD buyers) and found that they do not contain a 4096 stages BBD but
only 1024 stages ! Obviously the circuits have been relabelled and contain
probably the very much cheaper MN3207 or BL3207 with 1024 stages only. I've
heard about such relabelling for computer chips but was not aware that it
happens for BBD circuits as well.

Anyway - this will cause problems with A-188-1D (4096 stages version). If
you have already ordered you are not affected as we had 100% testet 4096
stages BBDs in stock and still have about 25 of them left. But if these are
used up we cannot deliver A-188-1D unless we find "real" MN3205 or MN3005.
And probably we will have to increase the price for the A-188-1D as I assume
that we will have to pay much more than for the first batch.

If someone wants to order BBD circuits that are offered in the internet
(e.g. at ebay or from far east suppliers) be careful that you will get the
real parts !

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Problems with 4096 stages BBD modules

2006-05-19 by Romeo Fahl

Were these from HongKongSuperseller?
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On May 19, 2006, at 1:18 AM, Dieter Doepfer wrote:

> Dear members,
>
> I have very bad news concerning the BBD modules with 4096 stages. 
> Yesterday
> we received the second batch of BBD circuits with 4096 stages. We 
> tested
> them immediately (Florian, thank's for the note concerning the 
> problems of
> other BBD buyers) and found that they do not contain a 4096 stages BBD 
> but
> only 1024 stages ! Obviously the circuits have been relabelled and 
> contain
> probably the very much cheaper MN3207 or BL3207 with 1024 stages only. 
> I've
> heard about such relabelling for computer chips but was not aware that 
> it
> happens for BBD circuits as well.
>
> Anyway - this will cause problems with A-188-1D (4096 stages version). 
> If
> you have already ordered you are not affected as we had 100% testet 
> 4096
> stages BBDs in stock and still have about 25 of them left. But if 
> these are
> used up we cannot deliver A-188-1D unless we find "real" MN3205 or 
> MN3005.
> And probably we will have to increase the price for the A-188-1D as I 
> assume
> that we will have to pay much more than for the first batch.
>
> If someone wants to order BBD circuits that are offered in the internet
> (e.g. at ebay or from far east suppliers) be careful that you will get 
> the
> real parts !
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Problems with 4096 stages BBD modules

2006-05-19 by Josue Arias

I bet was HKsuperseller, he is from far east, sell thru ebay and he is
ripping lot of people with either used chips/parts or relabelled ICs...

Josue.


2006/5/19, Romeo Fahl <rfahl@pdx.edu>:
>
> Were these from HongKongSuperseller?
>
>
> On May 19, 2006, at 1:18 AM, Dieter Doepfer wrote:
>
> > Dear members,
> >
> > I have very bad news concerning the BBD modules with 4096 stages.
> > Yesterday
> > we received the second batch of BBD circuits with 4096 stages. We
> > tested
> > them immediately (Florian, thank's for the note concerning the
> > problems of
> > other BBD buyers) and found that they do not contain a 4096 stages BBD
> > but
> > only 1024 stages ! Obviously the circuits have been relabelled and
> > contain
> > probably the very much cheaper MN3207 or BL3207 with 1024 stages only.
> > I've
> > heard about such relabelling for computer chips but was not aware that
> > it
> > happens for BBD circuits as well.
> >
> > Anyway - this will cause problems with A-188-1D (4096 stages version).
> > If
> > you have already ordered you are not affected as we had 100% testet
> > 4096
> > stages BBDs in stock and still have about 25 of them left. But if
> > these are
> > used up we cannot deliver A-188-1D unless we find "real" MN3205 or
> > MN3005.
> > And probably we will have to increase the price for the A-188-1D as I
> > assume
> > that we will have to pay much more than for the first batch.
> >
> > If someone wants to order BBD circuits that are offered in the internet
> > (e.g. at ebay or from far east suppliers) be careful that you will get
> > the
> > real parts !
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: Problems with 4096 stages BBD modules

2006-05-20 by levka0

I am very, very sorry to hear this.

I feel a little guilty also, as I did refer on this list to a certain
ebay seller as a possible source of these.
If this is indeed the source of the problems I beg for forgiveness.

I also do hope that the preorder that I placed to my synth-shop for
four modules can still be fulfilled.

best regards,
Joost





--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear members,
> 
> I have very bad news concerning the BBD modules with 4096 stages.
Yesterday
> we received the second batch of BBD circuits with 4096 stages. We tested
> them immediately (Florian, thank's for the note concerning the
problems of
> other BBD buyers) and found that they do not contain a 4096 stages
BBD but
> only 1024 stages ! Obviously the circuits have been relabelled and
contain
> probably the very much cheaper MN3207 or BL3207 with 1024 stages
only. I've
> heard about such relabelling for computer chips but was not aware
that it
> happens for BBD circuits as well.
> 
> Anyway - this will cause problems with A-188-1D (4096 stages
version). If
> you have already ordered you are not affected as we had 100% testet 4096
> stages BBDs in stock and still have about 25 of them left. But if
these are
> used up we cannot deliver A-188-1D unless we find "real" MN3205 or
MN3005.
> And probably we will have to increase the price for the A-188-1D as
I assume
> that we will have to pay much more than for the first batch.
> 
> If someone wants to order BBD circuits that are offered in the internet
> (e.g. at ebay or from far east suppliers) be careful that you will
get the
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> real parts !
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>

AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Problems with 4096 stages BBD modules

2006-05-22 by Dieter Doepfer

No, it was not an ebay seller. If you (or the representative in your
country) have already ordered you'r not affected. Only for new orders (as
soon as the remaining ~ 20 BBDs with 4096 are used up) problems will occur.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer
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> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von levka0
> Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Mai 2006 15:40
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Problems with 4096 stages BBD modules
>
>
> I am very, very sorry to hear this.
>
> I feel a little guilty also, as I did refer on this list to a certain
> ebay seller as a possible source of these.
> If this is indeed the source of the problems I beg for forgiveness.
>
> I also do hope that the preorder that I placed to my synth-shop for
> four modules can still be fulfilled.
>
> best regards,
> Joost
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear members,
> >
> > I have very bad news concerning the BBD modules with 4096 stages.
> Yesterday
> > we received the second batch of BBD circuits with 4096 stages. We tested
> > them immediately (Florian, thank's for the note concerning the
> problems of
> > other BBD buyers) and found that they do not contain a 4096 stages
> BBD but
> > only 1024 stages ! Obviously the circuits have been relabelled and
> contain
> > probably the very much cheaper MN3207 or BL3207 with 1024 stages
> only. I've
> > heard about such relabelling for computer chips but was not aware
> that it
> > happens for BBD circuits as well.
> >
> > Anyway - this will cause problems with A-188-1D (4096 stages
> version). If
> > you have already ordered you are not affected as we had 100% testet 4096
> > stages BBDs in stock and still have about 25 of them left. But if
> these are
> > used up we cannot deliver A-188-1D unless we find "real" MN3205 or
> MN3005.
> > And probably we will have to increase the price for the A-188-1D as
> I assume
> > that we will have to pay much more than for the first batch.
> >
> > If someone wants to order BBD circuits that are offered in the internet
> > (e.g. at ebay or from far east suppliers) be careful that you will
> get the
> > real parts !
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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AW: [Doepfer_a100] Problems with 4096 stages BBD modules

2006-05-22 by Dieter Doepfer

No, it's another company (we heard about problems with HongKongSuperseller
and that's why we took another supplier). I'm still in negotiations with the
company and want to give them a chance to undo the affair. They apologized
(not sure if they really mean it) and told me that they were not aware that
they sold us refurbished circuits as they were only intermediate traders. We
will see ...

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Romeo Fahl
> Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Mai 2006 16:52
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Problems with 4096 stages BBD modules
>
>
> Were these from HongKongSuperseller?
>
>
> On May 19, 2006, at 1:18 AM, Dieter Doepfer wrote:
>
> > Dear members,
> >
> > I have very bad news concerning the BBD modules with 4096 stages.
> > Yesterday
> > we received the second batch of BBD circuits with 4096 stages. We
> > tested
> > them immediately (Florian, thank's for the note concerning the
> > problems of
> > other BBD buyers) and found that they do not contain a 4096 stages BBD
> > but
> > only 1024 stages ! Obviously the circuits have been relabelled and
> > contain
> > probably the very much cheaper MN3207 or BL3207 with 1024 stages only.
> > I've
> > heard about such relabelling for computer chips but was not aware that
> > it
> > happens for BBD circuits as well.
> >
> > Anyway - this will cause problems with A-188-1D (4096 stages version).
> > If
> > you have already ordered you are not affected as we had 100% testet
> > 4096
> > stages BBDs in stock and still have about 25 of them left. But if
> > these are
> > used up we cannot deliver A-188-1D unless we find "real" MN3205 or
> > MN3005.
> > And probably we will have to increase the price for the A-188-1D as I
> > assume
> > that we will have to pay much more than for the first batch.
> >
> > If someone wants to order BBD circuits that are offered in the internet
> > (e.g. at ebay or from far east suppliers) be careful that you will get
> > the
> > real parts !
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
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