Doepfer

Because I was doing this patch yesterday... and I discovered something I think I ignored... 
That If I put a rectangle from A111 in a multplie to direct it to A117 (ext clk) - then it does 
something I know (I modifiy the A117 to work withb the A111) but then if I plug at the 
same time the rectangle our from my multiple to A196 (signal in)... It doesnt work as I 
expected... That the original resul occuring between A111 and A117 changes too!!!

I dont if this is really clear... maybe its totally normal behaviour when using multiples for 
audio...

So this made me think to a module like this : it's like contrary of a mixer.
Instead of having 4 inputs and 1 outputs... you have 1 input for audio (or more) and then 
several outputs (with atenuator maybe or even cvs...)... Does this make any sense to 
anyone here.

Also in general I'd like to have more modules with this three position switch like in A140... 
for me its a really good way (when using A100 as a live instrument) to change parameters 
dramatically...


Alexandre

But still, what about this behavior of the A180 multiple... What can I do then to do this 
patch I was talking about... How to have for example several of the same A111 rectangle 
output to use at the same time for input of A117 and input of A196? Or maybe there is 
something wrong in my system... So thats why I thought this type of MPL module could do 
that.

Alexandre


> Is a very useful 
module: 1 input and 4 buffered outputs with attenuators.
> Since the dowpfer use input attenuators I don`t see the point of having the
> output attenuators, but it could have an "phase" switch instead.

I have this module in the synton modular, is the MPL.

Is a very useful module: 1 input and 4 buffered outputs with attenuators.
Since the dowpfer use input attenuators I don`t see the point of having the
output attenuators, but it could have an "phase" switch instead.

Synthi


2006/5/22, bellenger_a <bellenger_a@yahoo.fr>:
>
> Because I was doing this patch yesterday... and I discovered something I
> think I ignored...
> That If I put a rectangle from A111 in a multplie to direct it to A117
> (ext clk) - then it does
> something I know (I modifiy the A117 to work withb the A111) but then if I
> plug at the
> same time the rectangle our from my multiple to A196 (signal in)... It
> doesnt work as I
> expected... That the original resul occuring between A111 and A117 changes
> too!!!
>
> I dont if this is really clear... maybe its totally normal behaviour when
> using multiples for
> audio...
>
> So this made me think to a module like this : it's like contrary of a
> mixer.
> Instead of having 4 inputs and 1 outputs... you have 1 input for audio (or
> more) and then
> several outputs (with atenuator maybe or even cvs...)... Does this make
> any sense to
> anyone here.
>
> Also in general I'd like to have more modules with this three position
> switch like in A140...
> for me its a really good way (when using A100 as a live instrument) to
> change parameters
> dramatically...
>
>
> Alexandre
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>


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If I get you right, here's *my guess*: The A180 is a passive device
thus the A196 is loading back on the A117. Analogue Sol.'s MX224
should solve that prob. Regards, Ingo


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "bellenger_a" <bellenger_a@...> 
wrote:
>
> But still, what about this behavior of the A180 multiple... What 
can I do then to do this 
> patch I was talking about... How to have for example several of 
the same A111 rectangle 
> output to use at the same time for input of A117 and input of 
A196? Or maybe there is 
> something wrong in my system... So thats why I thought this type 
of MPL module could do 
> that.
> 
> Alexandre
> 
> 
> > Is a very useful 
> module: 1 input and 4 buffered outputs with attenuators.
> > Since the dowpfer use input attenuators I don`t see the point of 
having the
> > output attenuators, but it could have an "phase" switch instead.
>

> If I get you right, here's *my guess*: The A180 is a passive device
> thus the A196 is loading back on the A117.
sounds like this yes

>Analogue Sol.'s MX224 should solve that prob.
Oh yes you're right thank you, I just checked on their site... Mmmh, so no solutions with 
Doepfer fo this now... So that's why I was thinking about such module but maybe more 
elaborate than the analog solutions one


Alexandre

Alexandre,

unfortunately I don't have our big system available as it is already shipped
to Munich because of the event on saturday.
So I can't test the A-111 - A-180 - A-117 - A-196 patch. What happens in
detail with this patch ? Are both A-117 and A-196 not working any longer or
do they behave strange or is one of both no longer working ?

I assume that is has to do with AC/DC coupling and/or the loading of the
A-111 output by the A-117 and A-196 inputs. You can try this: there is a
jumper on the A-196 labelled JP4 (just behind the signal input socket
"signal in"). It is used to switch between AC (without jumper) and DC
coupling (with jumper). Maybe changing this setting does help. Temporarily
you could use e.g. the sawtooth output of the A-111 to trigger the A-117 and
the rectangle output for the A-196 (or the other way round). As soon as I
have the system back in the company again (probably middle of next week)
I'll try to copy the problem and to find a solution.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von bellenger_a
> Gesendet: Montag, 22. Mai 2006 16:45
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Very "candide" idea for new module...
>
>
> But still, what about this behavior of the A180 multiple... What
> can I do then to do this
> patch I was talking about... How to have for example several of
> the same A111 rectangle
> output to use at the same time for input of A117 and input of
> A196? Or maybe there is
> something wrong in my system... So thats why I thought this type
> of MPL module could do
> that.
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> > Is a very useful
> module: 1 input and 4 buffered outputs with attenuators.
> > Since the dowpfer use input attenuators I don`t see the point
> of having the
> > output attenuators, but it could have an "phase" switch instead.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Probably even the lower section of the A-185 could solve the problem if the
bus jumper J1 is removed (used to connect the output of the CV buffer to the
A-100 bus board). The lower section is nothing but a buffer with two
parallel outputs (it's labelled "CV" but the circuit can be used for audio
signal as well).

But as I have our system not availble I cannot test your special patch
before next week.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von bellenger_a
> Gesendet: Montag, 22. Mai 2006 18:55
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Very "candide" idea for new module...
>
>
> > If I get you right, here's *my guess*: The A180 is a passive device
> > thus the A196 is loading back on the A117.
> sounds like this yes
>
> >Analogue Sol.'s MX224 should solve that prob.
> Oh yes you're right thank you, I just checked on their site...
> Mmmh, so no solutions with
> Doepfer fo this now... So that's why I was thinking about such
> module but maybe more
> elaborate than the analog solutions one
>
>
> Alexandre
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "bellenger_a" <bellenger_a@...> 
wrote:
>
> > If I get you right, here's *my guess*: The A180 is a passive 
device
> > thus the A196 is loading back on the A117.
> sounds like this yes
> 
> >Analogue Sol.'s MX224 should solve that prob.
> Oh yes you're right thank you, I just checked on their site... 
Mmmh, so no solutions with 
> Doepfer fo this now... So that's why I was thinking about such 
module but maybe more 
> elaborate than the analog solutions one


afaik doepfer is developing a precision mixer/buffer, which
will be perfect to solve your problem.

best wishes

ingo

> So I can't test the A-111 - A-180 - A-117 - A-196 patch. What happens in
> detail with this patch ? Are both A-117 and A-196 not working any longer or
> do they behave strange or is one of both no longer working ?

What happens is that when the rectangle output of A111 through the A180 goes to input 
of A196... then it changes what was happening previously with the A117... which to me 
means that A196 somehow goes to A117... which is something I want to avoid



> I assume that is has to do with AC/DC coupling and/or the loading of the
> A-111 output by the A-117 and A-196 inputs.

I already modified my A117 to work with the A111 as I was advised before on this list... it 
seems the yes, it may be the loading thing that happens I think...

thank you Dieter, I'm gonna try without this jumper from A196

Alexandre