Doepfer

> Get at least two mixers; better more. If you buy only two, then take
> lineare mixers. Exp-mixers a not really usable for mixing CVs, but
> linear are ok for Audio (though not perfect).

If I would get two mixers, I would choose A-138b (exponential) and A-
138c (linear bi-polar). On A-138c I would enable the offset generator 
feature with the jumper.
 
Mixers with linear control are usually recommended for CV mixing. 
However, I prefer logarithmic: When I apply small amount of modulation, 
I seem to need respectively fine control as well. Ideally, for CV 
mixing, I would prefer exponential bi-polar control, but such isn't 
available perhaps for technical reasons.

Best regards
Jari Jokinen

Hi Jari

> Mixers with linear control are usually recommended for CV mixing. 
> However, I prefer logarithmic: When I apply small amount of modulation, 
> I seem to need respectively fine control as well. 
That would be true if there was no master control; but the mastercontrol 
allows to reduce the allover range of the single inputs.

Another possibility is to add individual switches per input, which 
select a wide/narrow range of the corresponding pot.

> Ideally, for CV 
> mixing, I would prefer exponential bi-polar control, but such isn't 
> available perhaps for technical reasons.
Pots like this are not available to my knowledge. One might realize them 
by using double(stereo) pots with one inverted layer. But this would 
require a high electronic and/or mechanical effort for something which 
can be done with linear pots very simple.

Florian

> I would prefer exponential bi-polar control, but such isn't
> available perhaps for technical reasons.
>
> Best regards
> Jari Jokinen

One would need a very special potentiometer with center detent, center
terminal and a resistance law that is symmetrical and logarithmic from the
center positions. I have been already asking our manufacturer if such a
potentiometer is available but they answered in the negative - sorry.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

I understand your point, but sometimes I need a small amount of CV of 
one source and a large amount from another source.

Best regards
Jari Jokinen

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander 
<Florian.Anwander@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jari
> 
> > Mixers with linear control are usually recommended for CV mixing. 
> > However, I prefer logarithmic: When I apply small amount of 
modulation, 
> > I seem to need respectively fine control as well. 
> That would be true if there was no master control; but the 
mastercontrol 
> allows to reduce the allover range of the single inputs.
> 
> Another possibility is to add individual switches per input, which 
> select a wide/narrow range of the corresponding pot.
> 
> > Ideally, for CV 
> > mixing, I would prefer exponential bi-polar control, but such 
isn't 
> > available perhaps for technical reasons.
> Pots like this are not available to my knowledge. One might realize 
them 
> by using double(stereo) pots with one inverted layer. But this 
would 
> require a high electronic and/or mechanical effort for something 
which 

> can be done with linear pots very simple.
> 
> Florian
>

Hi Jari

> I understand your point, but sometimes I need a small amount of CV of 
> one source and a large amount from another source.
Thats why I suggested this one...
>>Another possibility is to add individual switches per input, which 
>>select a wide/narrow range of the corresponding pot.

Florian

morning all,

does anyone have an opinion regarding which rackmount
to go for? i quite like the idea of having a doepfer
suitcase, although sound on sound's suitcase review
was far from flattering. 

i've pasted the review below. 

if there are any users out there willing to shed some
light on the matter, i would be most grateful.

thanks
dave 


"I'm quite a fan of Doepfer modules, and I'm often
impressed by their build quality, but I hope the
flightcase these modules arrived is just a blip in
their usual professional approach. It's pretty poorly
designed, badly fitting and to cap it all, the inside
of the removable lids are covered in a deep-purple
'fun fur' fabric. Imagine a 1970s funk bordello...
yes, it's that bad! And the shiny 'leatherette' outer
finish won't last five minutes in an aircraft hold, a
baggage carousel or in the back of a transit. If you
need to flightcase your beloved Doepfer rack, my
advice would be to invest in a professional road rack
case, preferably a 'shockmount' type. Expensive? Well,
yes — but so is a new rack full of Doepfer modules."



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Hi Dave,

It all depends on your needs I'd say. If you're often on the road and your
instrument is thrown around by airport staff/roadies/whatever a standard G6
case and a good rack. If your synth will stay at home for the foreseeable
future you should get whatever you think looks nicest.

/Silas

On 5/10/07, gwei solo <gweisolo@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>   morning all,
>
> does anyone have an opinion regarding which rackmount
> to go for? i quite like the idea of having a doepfer
> suitcase, although sound on sound's suitcase review
> was far from flattering.
>
> i've pasted the review below.
>
> if there are any users out there willing to shed some
> light on the matter, i would be most grateful.
>
> thanks
> dave
>
> "I'm quite a fan of Doepfer modules, and I'm often
> impressed by their build quality, but I hope the
> flightcase these modules arrived is just a blip in
> their usual professional approach. It's pretty poorly
> designed, badly fitting and to cap it all, the inside
> of the removable lids are covered in a deep-purple
> 'fun fur' fabric. Imagine a 1970s funk bordello...
> yes, it's that bad! And the shiny 'leatherette' outer
> finish won't last five minutes in an aircraft hold, a
> baggage carousel or in the back of a transit. If you
> need to flightcase your beloved Doepfer rack, my
> advice would be to invest in a professional road rack
> case, preferably a 'shockmount' type. Expensive? Well,
> yes � but so is a new rack full of Doepfer modules."
>
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> morning all,
>
> does anyone have an opinion regarding which rackmount
> to go for? i quite like the idea of having a doepfer
> suitcase, although sound on sound's suitcase review
> was far from flattering.
>
> i've pasted the review below.
>
> if there are any users out there willing to shed some
> light on the matter, i would be most grateful.
>
> thanks
> dave

Dave,

please look at our comments concerning the SOS report on our website:

"The flightcase complained in the review is not the suitcase version of the
A-100 but a flightcase used by our UK representative to send the A-100 to
the magazine !!!"

Please ask customers who own the "original" A-100 suitcase or monster case
concerning the building quality.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> please look at our comments concerning the SOS
> report on our website:
> 
> "The flightcase complained in the review is not the
> suitcase version of the
> A-100 but a flightcase used by our UK representative
> to send the A-100 to
> the magazine !!!"
> 
> Please ask customers who own the "original" A-100
> suitcase or monster case
> concerning the building quality.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer

right you are dieter,

i did wonder what SOS were talking about as i've
failed to see any pimped up purple-fur handle action.
:) any suitcase users out there willing to shed
further light?

thanks
dave  

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My suitcase rack seems sturdily constructed and there's not a bit of purple fur on it.  The modules fit great, the corners are reinforced by metal, it's sturdy plywood contruction like racks of old, and it's very handy to pack up.  I haven't thrown it over a cliff or given it to a gorilla to hurl around yet, but it seems pretty durable.

Bryan

>>> gwei solo <gweisolo@yahoo.co.uk> 05/10/07 9:00 AM >>>
> please look at our comments concerning the SOS
> report on our website:
> 
> "The flightcase complained in the review is not the
> suitcase version of the
> A-100 but a flightcase used by our UK representative
> to send the A-100 to
> the magazine !!!"
> 
> Please ask customers who own the "original" A-100
> suitcase or monster case
> concerning the building quality.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer

right you are dieter,

i did wonder what SOS were talking about as i've
failed to see any pimped up purple-fur handle action.
:) any suitcase users out there willing to shed
further light?

thanks
dave  

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out of interest, would you put in the hold as luggage on an airline?

Richard

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bryan E Cornell 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:46 PM
  Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: First modular system?


  My suitcase rack seems sturdily constructed and there's not a bit of purple fur on it. The modules fit great, the corners are reinforced by metal, it's sturdy plywood contruction like racks of old, and it's very handy to pack up. I haven't thrown it over a cliff or given it to a gorilla to hurl around yet, but it seems pretty durable.

  Bryan

  >>> gwei solo <gweisolo@yahoo.co.uk> 05/10/07 9:00 AM >>>
  > please look at our comments concerning the SOS
  > report on our website:
  > 
  > "The flightcase complained in the review is not the
  > suitcase version of the
  > A-100 but a flightcase used by our UK representative
  > to send the A-100 to
  > the magazine !!!"
  > 
  > Please ask customers who own the "original" A-100
  > suitcase or monster case
  > concerning the building quality.
  > 
  > Best wishes
  > Dieter Doepfer

  right you are dieter,

  i did wonder what SOS were talking about as i've
  failed to see any pimped up purple-fur handle action.
  :) any suitcase users out there willing to shed
  further light?

  thanks
  dave 

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Hi Richard

> out of interest, would you put in the hold as luggage on an airline?
mechanically always.

 From the point of view of security paranoid controls of some countries. 
I'd always would checkout with the airline how to hand over it to the 
security, that they are convinced that a synth is not a bomb (i think 
this was already a thread here).

Florian

> does anyone have an opinion regarding which rackmount
> to go for? i quite like the idea of having a doepfer
> suitcase, although sound on sound's suitcase review
> was far from flattering.

I made a couple straps for a famous local musician ;-) to hold two of
the suitcases one on top of each other so that he could put them on a
modified keyboard stand.  The suitcases seemed to be quite good
construction and very convenient to carry around.  There was even a
picture of the setup on the Analogue Haven web site some time ago...

Doug

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I have two of the flight cases. I think they are great for  
transporting my rig in my own car etc but would be wary of letting a  
airline handle it unless it was covered with "FRAGILE ELECTRONICS -  
HANDLE WITH CARE" stickers all over it. I have seen how many baggage  
handlers treat flight cases - they toss them around as though they  
are indestructable. My brother used to tour in the world in many name  
acts and has told me stories of how flight cases that looked fine on  
the outside were opened to find chaos inside. I have traveled with  
video equipment in flight cases and have ALWAYS had them plastered  
with stickers. I've watch as luggage is loaded in the plane and all  
cases that are hard are tossed around quite a bit. A thing to note is  
the Doepfer cases are not as heavy in weight as your typical Anvil  
flight case so my be treated less like them. The heavy cases seem to  
be tossed around because they are such a pain. Another, and very  
contraversal practice I have read about was used by a professional  
photographer - he packed a starters pistol in whit his gear and  
delared it contained firearms. The baggage thus declared is handled  
compleatly differently, inspected differently, and packed and  
delivered differently. He claimed he was loosing too much gear in the  
inspection process until he started doing this. VERY extreme methods.

-JH

On May 10, 2007, at 7:06 AM, Richard wrote:

> out of interest, would you put in the hold as luggage on an airline?
>
> Richard
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Bryan E Cornell
>   To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:46 PM
>   Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: First modular system?
>
>
>   My suitcase rack seems sturdily constructed and there's not a bit  
> of purple fur on it. The modules fit great, the corners are  
> reinforced by metal, it's sturdy plywood contruction like racks of  
> old, and it's very handy to pack up. I haven't thrown it over a  
> cliff or given it to a gorilla to hurl around yet, but it seems  
> pretty durable.
>
>   Bryan
>
>>>> gwei solo <gweisolo@yahoo.co.uk> 05/10/07 9:00 AM >>>
>> please look at our comments concerning the SOS
>> report on our website:
>>
>> "The flightcase complained in the review is not the
>> suitcase version of the
>> A-100 but a flightcase used by our UK representative
>> to send the A-100 to
>> the magazine !!!"
>>
>> Please ask customers who own the "original" A-100
>> suitcase or monster case
>> concerning the building quality.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Dieter Doepfer
>
>   right you are dieter,
>
>   i did wonder what SOS were talking about as i've
>   failed to see any pimped up purple-fur handle action.
>   :) any suitcase users out there willing to shed
>   further light?
>
>   thanks
>   dave
>
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>I made a couple straps for a famous local musician ;-) to hold two of
>the suitcases one on top of each other so that he could put them on a
>modified keyboard stand. The suitcases seemed to be quite good
>construction and very convenient to carry around. There was even a
>picture of the setup on the Analogue Haven web site some time ago...


That would be Steve Roach's cases, I have a picture of it here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/lnerell/Steve%20Roach/stevesrack.jpg

You can't see the straps in this photo but this is how they look when 
mounted together.


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I have added some ideas for new modules to our website. The pages are so far
still hidden (i.e. no link from our website available):

A-182 Switched Multiple: www.doepfer.de/a182
A-185-2 Precision Adder/Buffer/Bus Access: www.doepfer.de/a1852
A-164 Manual Gate Module (second version): www.doepfer.de/a164

Just let me know what you think. Bakis, maybe polls will be helpful to find
out what the members think about these very simple but (hopefully) useful
modules. It will take probably only a few hours to realize these modules.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

hello Dieter and list,

ok, i made the polls for the first two modules! (so,
please, Vote all of you!)

for the third module idea (A164 version 2), there is a
small mistake in the module description (Dieter, you
obviously mean gate#1, right?)
so, please, Dieter, first correct this and then i'll
make the poll for A164 version 2. ok?

best regards,
Bakis.


--- hardware@doepfer.de wrote:

> I have added some ideas for new modules to our
> website. The pages are so far
> still hidden (i.e. no link from our website
> available):
> 
> A-182 Switched Multiple: www.doepfer.de/a182
> A-185-2 Precision Adder/Buffer/Bus Access:
> www.doepfer.de/a1852
> A-164 Manual Gate Module (second version):
> www.doepfer.de/a164
> 
> Just let me know what you think. Bakis, maybe polls
> will be helpful to find
> out what the members think about these very simple
> but (hopefully) useful
> modules. It will take probably only a few hours to
> realize these modules.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 
> 


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Hi,

I'll answer the poll gladly, but I must say that I'd like the 185-2 MUCH
better if the atenuator was replaced by 2 or 3 aditional inputs.  It would
make it more versatile.  My opinion.

Thanks
Sylvain

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la part de hardware@doepfer.de
  Envoy� : Friday, May 11, 2007 10:26 AM
  A : Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
  Objet : [Doepfer_a100] some new ideas


  I have added some ideas for new modules to our website. The pages are so
far
  still hidden (i.e. no link from our website available):

  A-182 Switched Multiple: www.doepfer.de/a182
  A-185-2 Precision Adder/Buffer/Bus Access: www.doepfer.de/a1852
  A-164 Manual Gate Module (second version): www.doepfer.de/a164

  Just let me know what you think. Bakis, maybe polls will be helpful to
find
  out what the members think about these very simple but (hopefully) useful
  modules. It will take probably only a few hours to realize these modules.

  Best wishes
  Dieter Doepfer



  
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> hello Dieter and list,
>
> ok, i made the polls for the first two modules! (so,
> please, Vote all of you!)
>
> for the third module idea (A164 version 2), there is a
> small mistake in the module description (Dieter, you
> obviously mean gate#1, right?)
> so, please, Dieter, first correct this and then i'll
> make the poll for A164 version 2. ok?
>
> best regards,
> Bakis.

Bakis,

thank you for the note. Yes, of couse it is gate #1. I have corrected the
mistake.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

P.S. I'm not on the office for one week. Don't be surprised that I will not
comment any messages for this period.

> Hi,
>
> I'll answer the poll gladly, but I must say that I'd like the 185-2 MUCH
> better if the atenuator was replaced by 2 or 3 aditional inputs.  It would
> make it more versatile.  My opinion.
>
> Thanks
> Sylvain

It would be easy to replace the attenuator by two inputs without attenuator.
But without an attenuated input it would not be possible to add a modulation
source with adjustable depth. From my experience this is very useful. If all
inputs are without attenuators one would need another module (attenuator)
for that job. But if the majority of the users will vote for a module
without an attenuator it's definitely no problem. It's actually a more
simple design.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

On 5/11/07 5:32 PM, "Sylvain Delisle" <sdelisle@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'll answer the poll gladly, but I must say that I'd like the 185-2 MUCH
> better if the atenuator was replaced by 2 or 3 aditional inputs.  It would
> make it more versatile.  My opinion.

RE: http://www.doepfer.de/a1852

Hi Sylvian,
hmmm, I would definitely want the attenuator, but I am curious how it would
be more versatile without it? I would think just the opposite.
best,
phil

Hi phil,

I suggested a few weeks ago (and others did also before me) a module unity
gate mixer to add triggers/gates for building complex patterns, etc.  For
this kind of module you need as much inputs as you can, but also precision
is not required.  So my need for a version without attenuator comes from
this.  It's also apparent that a precision CV adder answer a different need
than the unity gain mixer I'm looking for and there's certainly a place for
both.

When I suggested the unity mixer:
"Something like 7 INS to 1 OUT with no attenuators"

Dieter answered :
"Such a module is already available as a prototype but I did not want to
overcrowd our Messe news. We call it a high precision adder as the CV inputs
are added up with exactly 1.00 amplification (...)"

So this is why I'm getting my "no attenuator" suggestion back.

Sylvain
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  Objet : Re: a185-2 [Doepfer_a100] some new ideas


  On 5/11/07 5:32 PM, "Sylvain Delisle" <sdelisle@sympatico.ca> wrote:

  > Hi,
  >
  > I'll answer the poll gladly, but I must say that I'd like the 185-2 MUCH
  > better if the atenuator was replaced by 2 or 3 aditional inputs. It
would
  > make it more versatile. My opinion.

  RE: http://www.doepfer.de/a1852

  Hi Sylvian,
  hmmm, I would definitely want the attenuator, but I am curious how it
would
  be more versatile without it? I would think just the opposite.
  best,
  phil



  
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Hi Sylvain,
ok, thanks that makes sense, I think both would be justified, one  
more for CV and one non precision for gate/trigs.
best,
phil

On May 12, 2007, at 7:10 PM, Sylvain Delisle wrote:

> Hi phil,
>
> I suggested a few weeks ago (and others did also before me) a  
> module unity
> gate mixer to add triggers/gates for building complex patterns,  
> etc.  For
> this kind of module you need as much inputs as you can, but also  
> precision
> is not required.  So my need for a version without attenuator comes  
> from
> this.  It's also apparent that a precision CV adder answer a  
> different need
> than the unity gain mixer I'm looking for and there's certainly a  
> place for
> both.
>
>
>
>   RE: http://www.doepfer.de/a1852



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> unity gain mixer with 7 inputs and one output just for mixing
> triggers and gates?

This sounds to me like you are proposing a 7 input "OR" logic gate
rather than a mixer. Is that correct?

I would also like to see the opposite of this offered; a buffered
multiple. Perhaps two single inputs and 3 outputs for each with the
second input "normalled" to the first input.

Cheers,
Adam-V

i agree with that.
Dieter? 
should i make one more poll for a unity gain mixer
with 7 inputs and one output just for mixing triggers
and gates?
i think it is a very useful module, just for this
task.
best regards,
Bakis.


--- phil hendricks <ph@comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Sylvain,
> ok, thanks that makes sense, I think both would be
> justified, one  
> more for CV and one non precision for gate/trigs.
> best,
> phil
> 
> On May 12, 2007, at 7:10 PM, Sylvain Delisle wrote:
> 
> > Hi phil,
> >
> > I suggested a few weeks ago (and others did also
> before me) a  
> > module unity
> > gate mixer to add triggers/gates for building
> complex patterns,  
> > etc.  For
> > this kind of module you need as much inputs as you
> can, but also  
> > precision
> > is not required.  So my need for a version without
> attenuator comes  
> > from
> > this.  It's also apparent that a precision CV
> adder answer a  
> > different need
> > than the unity gain mixer I'm looking for and
> there's certainly a  
> > place for
> > both.
> >
> >
> >
> >   RE: http://www.doepfer.de/a1852
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 


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hello adam,
oops, you're right. it is actually a 7 input OR logic
gate. if it was a real mixer, then, when two 5volts
gates arrived into his inputs, the output would be a
10volts gate. and we do not need this.
unless,
 doepfer can make a simple 7 inputs unity gain mixer
with an output that limits the outcoming voltage to a
set threshold, (say 5 volts, or 10 volts...). then
this unity gain mixer would behave very much like a 7
input OR logic module. (as the outcoming gate's
voltage level would never exceed the limit threshold
and you wouldn't end up having a very high gate
output).
although: this hypothetical unity gain mixer (for
triggers and gates) would have an oputput that could
never exceed the power rails voltage (that being 12
volts). but even this would not be very satisfactory
as some modules behave differently regarding different
gate voltage levels.
so, quite probably, a 7 input OR logic gate would be
the best solution here...(as it would always give a
constant gate output level).
or...
another idea:
a more complex module that would be a mixer and also
an OR logic gate. it would have 7 inputs and one
"mixer output" that would be the output of a regular
unity gain mixer(for outputing varable gate levels
depending on the incoming gates, a bit like Blacet
binary zone...) and an "OR logic gate output" that
would be the OR logic gate's output with the standard
constant 5 volts gate output...
Dieter?
best regards,
Bakis.


--- Adam-V <adam-v@spiralsect.com> wrote:

> 
> > unity gain mixer with 7 inputs and one output just
> for mixing
> > triggers and gates?
> 
> This sounds to me like you are proposing a 7 input
> "OR" logic gate
> rather than a mixer. Is that correct?
> 
> I would also like to see the opposite of this
> offered; a buffered
> multiple. Perhaps two single inputs and 3 outputs
> for each with the
> second input "normalled" to the first input.
> 
> Cheers,
> Adam-V
> 
> 


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[Doepfer_a100] group owner
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http://www.myspace.com/parallelworldsmusic
http://www.myspace.com/interconnectedmusic
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yep, this is really going into direction I am looking for...
I will definitely get all this three modules if they come to production...
simple, small and very practical...
GREAT


Best,


Alexandre

Still maybe the idea of a special A138 with three positions switch could also be 
interresting...






--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <hardware@...> wrote:

>
> I have added some ideas for new modules to our website. The pages are so far
> still hidden (i.e. no link from our website available):
> 
> A-182 Switched Multiple: www.doepfer.de/a182
> A-185-2 Precision Adder/Buffer/Bus Access: www.doepfer.de/a1852
> A-164 Manual Gate Module (second version): www.doepfer.de/a164
> 
> Just let me know what you think. Bakis, maybe polls will be helpful to find
> out what the members think about these very simple but (hopefully) useful
> modules. It will take probably only a few hours to realize these modules.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>

> Hi phil,
>
> I suggested a few weeks ago (and others did also before me) a module unity
> gate mixer to add triggers/gates for building complex patterns, etc.  For
> this kind of module you need as much inputs as you can, but also precision
> is not required.  So my need for a version without attenuator comes from
> this.  It's also apparent that a precision CV adder answer a
> different need
> than the unity gain mixer I'm looking for and there's certainly a
> place for
> both.
>
> When I suggested the unity mixer:
> "Something like 7 INS to 1 OUT with no attenuators"
>
> Dieter answered :
> "Such a module is already available as a prototype but I did not want to
> overcrowd our Messe news. We call it a high precision adder as
> the CV inputs
> are added up with exactly 1.00 amplification (...)"
>
> So this is why I'm getting my "no attenuator" suggestion back.
>
> Sylvain

For adding/combining gate or trigger signals a precision CV adder can be
used but would go over the top. In the precision adder a lot of manually
selected resistors (selected to 0.1% precision) and active electronics with
operational amplifiers is used and will contribute to the price of the
module. A module for the combination of gate/trigger signals could be
realized much easier without active electronics: nothing but e.g. seven
sockets connected to an eighth socket via diodes. Such a module could be
manufactered much cheaper (same price range as a multiple).

Maybe we will have to add more simple modules for all these jobs (like
switched multiple, gate/trigger combiner, manual gate, precision CV adder).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> another idea:
> a more complex module that would be a mixer and also
> an OR logic gate. it would have 7 inputs and one
> "mixer output" that would be the output of a regular
> unity gain mixer(for outputing varable gate levels
> depending on the incoming gates, a bit like Blacet
> binary zone...) and an "OR logic gate output" that
> would be the OR logic gate's output with the standard
> constant 5 volts gate output...
> Dieter?
> best regards,
> Bakis.

That's another solution. As very often we have to find an agreement which of
the suggested modules is the best solution as we cannot release all
suggested versions. I'd recommend the precision adder/bus access  for CV
applications (maybe with one attenuated input) and a low-cost gate/trigger
combiner with diodes only.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> This sounds to me like you are proposing a 7 input "OR" logic gate
> rather than a mixer. Is that correct?

Exactly. The passive module with the diodes is nothing but a 7 input "OR"
gate.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> i agree with that.
> Dieter?
> should i make one more poll for a unity gain mixer
> with 7 inputs and one output just for mixing triggers
> and gates?
> i think it is a very useful module, just for this
> task.
> best regards,
> Bakis.

Yes, please. But maybe not for a unity gain mixer (that's the precision CV
adder) but a more simple and cheaper gate/trigger combiner module as
mentioned in my last message.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

The 182 Switched Multiple is a really great idea.  I would certainly be interested in a couple 
of those.  I think this would be the kind of module that I will wonder how I ever got along 
without it!

This allows for lots of new possibilities in terms of signal routing on the fly, almost in a 
matrix kind of way.  I would definitely be interested to see more new ideas in such a 
direction; maybe a larger version; maybe a true matrix module of some kind?

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <hardware@...> wrote:

>
> I have added some ideas for new modules to our website. The pages are so far
> still hidden (i.e. no link from our website available):
> 
> A-182 Switched Multiple: www.doepfer.de/a182
> A-185-2 Precision Adder/Buffer/Bus Access: www.doepfer.de/a1852
> A-164 Manual Gate Module (second version): www.doepfer.de/a164
> 
> Just let me know what you think. Bakis, maybe polls will be helpful to find
> out what the members think about these very simple but (hopefully) useful
> modules. It will take probably only a few hours to realize these modules.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>

Hi,

Could this method of adding several triggers to an output via diodes be put
on the DIY page?

Thank you
Sylvain

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  À : Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
  Objet : AW: a185-2 [Doepfer_a100] some new ideas


  > Hi phil,
  >
  > I suggested a few weeks ago (and others did also before me) a module
unity
  > gate mixer to add triggers/gates for building complex patterns, etc. For
  > this kind of module you need as much inputs as you can, but also
precision
  > is not required. So my need for a version without attenuator comes from
  > this. It's also apparent that a precision CV adder answer a
  > different need
  > than the unity gain mixer I'm looking for and there's certainly a
  > place for
  > both.
  >
  > When I suggested the unity mixer:
  > "Something like 7 INS to 1 OUT with no attenuators"
  >
  > Dieter answered :
  > "Such a module is already available as a prototype but I did not want to
  > overcrowd our Messe news. We call it a high precision adder as
  > the CV inputs
  > are added up with exactly 1.00 amplification (...)"
  >
  > So this is why I'm getting my "no attenuator" suggestion back.
  >
  > Sylvain

  For adding/combining gate or trigger signals a precision CV adder can be
  used but would go over the top. In the precision adder a lot of manually
  selected resistors (selected to 0.1% precision) and active electronics
with
  operational amplifiers is used and will contribute to the price of the
  module. A module for the combination of gate/trigger signals could be
  realized much easier without active electronics: nothing but e.g. seven
  sockets connected to an eighth socket via diodes. Such a module could be
  manufactered much cheaper (same price range as a multiple).

  Maybe we will have to add more simple modules for all these jobs (like
  switched multiple, gate/trigger combiner, manual gate, precision CV
adder).

  Best wishes
  Dieter Doepfer



  
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> Hi,
> 
> Could this method of adding several triggers to an output via 
> diodes be put on the DIY page?
> 
> Thank you
> Sylvain

Done !

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Hi,

Wow, that was fast!  but I can't seem to find it on the page
http://www.doepfer.de/DIY/a100_diy.htm

Is the modified page published?

Thank you
Sylvain
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  Objet : AW: a185-2 [Doepfer_a100] some new ideas


  > Hi,
  >
  > Could this method of adding several triggers to an output via
  > diodes be put on the DIY page?
  >
  > Thank you
  > Sylvain

  Done !

  Best wishes
  Dieter Doepfer



  
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> Hi,
> 
> Wow, that was fast!  but I can't seem to find it on the page
> http://www.doepfer.de/DIY/a100_diy.htm
> 
> Is the modified page published?
> 
> Thank you
> Sylvain

Sorry - I forgot to transfer the files. Now it's online.

Dieter

If there are sufficient inquiries (let's say 20-30 pre-orders) we could
manufacture such a module within a very short time (about 1-2 months
required for pcb/front panel production and assembly). The "development
time" for the pc board will be less than one hour and A-180 front panels
with modified silk screen could be used:

www.doepfer.de/A186.htm gate/trigger combiner

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Sylvain Delisle
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007 02:45
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: RE: a185-2 [Doepfer_a100] some new ideas
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Wow, that was fast!  but I can't seem to find it on the page
> http://www.doepfer.de/DIY/a100_diy.htm
>
> Is the modified page published?
>
> Thank you
> Sylvain
>   -----Message d'origine-----
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>   Objet : AW: a185-2 [Doepfer_a100] some new ideas
>
>
>   > Hi,
>   >
>   > Could this method of adding several triggers to an output via
>   > diodes be put on the DIY page?
>   >
>   > Thank you
>   > Sylvain
>
>   Done !
>
>   Best wishes
>   Dieter Doepfer
>
>
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great! (i think that the verison suggested is the
best,btw)
i'll pre-order two!
best regards,
Bakis.


--- hardware@doepfer.de wrote:

> If there are sufficient inquiries (let's say 20-30
> pre-orders) we could
> manufacture such a module within a very short time
> (about 1-2 months
> required for pcb/front panel production and
> assembly). The "development
> time" for the pc board will be less than one hour
> and A-180 front panels
> with modified silk screen could be used:
> 
> www.doepfer.de/A186.htm gate/trigger combiner
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 
> 
> > -----Urspr?he Nachricht-----
> > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag
> von Sylvain Delisle
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007 02:45
> > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: RE: a185-2 [Doepfer_a100] some new ideas
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Wow, that was fast!  but I can't seem to find it
> on the page
> > http://www.doepfer.de/DIY/a100_diy.htm
> >
> > Is the modified page published?
> >
> > Thank you
> > Sylvain
> >   -----Message d'origine-----
> >   De : Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]De
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> >
> >
> >   > Hi,
> >   >
> >   > Could this method of adding several triggers
> to an output via
> >   > diodes be put on the DIY page?
> >   >
> >   > Thank you
> >   > Sylvain
> >
> >   Done !
> >
> >   Best wishes
> >   Dieter Doepfer
> >
> >
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As I think I'll rarely need to combine 7 sources for trigger/gate I like
either of the alternatives better - or maybe even a 5-in-3-out version which
would save a multiple most of the time. However, this is something that I
can easily build myself so I'm probably never going to order a ready-made
one.

/Silas

On 5/30/07, hardware@doepfer.de <hardware@doepfer.de> wrote:
>
>   If there are sufficient inquiries (let's say 20-30 pre-orders) we could
> manufacture such a module within a very short time (about 1-2 months
> required for pcb/front panel production and assembly). The "development
> time" for the pc board will be less than one hour and A-180 front panels
> with modified silk screen could be used:
>
> www.doepfer.de/A186.htm gate/trigger combiner
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>]Im
> Auftrag von Sylvain Delisle
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007 02:45
> > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Betreff: RE: a185-2 [Doepfer_a100] some new ideas
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Wow, that was fast! but I can't seem to find it on the page
> > http://www.doepfer.de/DIY/a100_diy.htm
> >
> > Is the modified page published?
> >
> > Thank you
> > Sylvain
> > -----Message d'origine-----
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> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Could this method of adding several triggers to an output via
> > > diodes be put on the DIY page?
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > > Sylvain
> >
> > Done !
> >
> > Best wishes
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> >
> >
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Personally I think the dual-option, 2 x 3in/1out, would be most 
flexible.

Greetings,

Anton 

On 30 May 2007, at 12:41, hardware@doepfer.de wrote:

> If there are sufficient inquiries (let's say 20-30 pre-orders) we could
> manufacture such a module within a very short time (about 1-2 months
> required for pcb/front panel production and assembly). The "development
> time" for the pc board will be less than one hour and A-180 front panels
> with modified silk screen could be used:
> 
> www.doepfer.de/A186.htm gate/trigger combiner
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 
> 
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Sylvain Delisle
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007 02:45
> > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: RE: a185-2 [Doepfer_a100] some new ideas
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Wow, that was fast!  but I can't seem to find it on the page
> > http://www.doepfer.de/DIY/a100_diy.htm
> >
> > Is the modified page published?
> >
> > Thank you
> > Sylvain
> >   -----Message d'origine-----
> >   De : Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]De
> > la part de hardware@doepfer.de
> >   Envoyé : Tuesday, May 22, 2007 6:20 AM
> >   À : Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> >   Objet : AW: a185-2 [Doepfer_a100] some new ideas
> >
> >
> >   > Hi,
> >   >
> >   > Could this method of adding several triggers to an output via
> >   > diodes be put on the DIY page?
> >   >
> >   > Thank you
> >   > Sylvain
> >
> >   Done !
> >
> >   Best wishes
> >   Dieter Doepfer
> >
> >
> >
> >
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This is not the sort of module I would buy given the ease at which I
can DIY one. I would much rather spend my money on modules that I
can't make myself. I do understand that not everybody has the ability
to do this though. 

Having said that, taking the dual option one step further by having
the second gate "normalled" to the first one when the output of the
first one is disconnected would, in my opinion, make the module even
more versatile.

Cheers,
Adam-V
--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Anton Coops" <dubshot@...> wrote:

>
> Personally I think the dual-option, 2 x 3in/1out, would be most 
> flexible.
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Anton 
>

Dear Doepfer group,

 

I was enjoying myself making random improvisations on my Doepfer suitcase,
so I've videoed it and put it on

 

www.myspace.com/vjjamesbragg

 

I'd be keen to see videos of others making sound on their modular set-ups

 

I'm in Bristol UK and once monthly at The Watershed there is an event called
Random Function

Which puts on audio visual performances like this, which I am hoping to take
part in sometime

 

Peace

James Bragg 



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here are my vids

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cray56&search_type=&aq=f

Hey guys,

I was wondering where to start on fixing this module. I have a 2048 step A-188-1 that passes a dry signal but nothing on the effected side (Mix control to "0": full volume dry signal, mix control to "10": nothing.)

The only thing I noticed was that the CA3096E IC got very warm when the module was powered up. I don't know if that's normal or not.

So, where to begin?

Thanks,

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Hey guys,
I was wondering where to start on fixing this module. I have a 2048 step A-188-1 that passes a dry signal but nothing on the effected side (Mix control to "0": full volume dry signal, mix control to "10": nothing.)

The only thing I noticed was that the CA3096E IC got very warm when the module was powered up. I don't know if that's normal or not.

So, where to begin?

Thanks,

-neil


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> Hey guys,
>
> I was wondering where to start on fixing this module. I have a
> 2048 step A-188-1 that passes a dry signal but nothing on the
> effected side (Mix control to "0": full volume dry signal, mix
> control to "10": nothing.)
>
> The only thing I noticed was that the CA3096E IC got very warm
> when the module was powered up. I don't know if that's normal or not.
>
> So, where to begin?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -neil

A warm CA3096 is normal as it is used as a heater/sensor for the log
converter.

Maybe the HSVCO is defective. I think there is nothing you can do. Please
send the module for repair to the dealer where you purchased the unit.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer