Doepfer

I had an idea for a wacky module yesterday and thought I would share it. Maybe a person 
with better electronic chops than me can make one. 
I offten play with ambient sound backgrounds. I used to use a reel-to-reel with custom 
tape loops, then a Tascam Porastudio, and now a retired iPod. I have a bunch of them that 
were given to me by co-workers when they broke. A new hard drive and they work fine. My 
girlfriend just got a iPod Nano and the thing is so small and compact that I thought one 
would be great mounted to a panel on my modular. Connect the dock cable to give it 
power and get the audio from it. Then the good part - control it through the connector 
too. I see having just the basic controls made CV-able. Have a trigger in that does the 
previous song selection, a trigger for the next song selection, and both a trigger that 
toggles play/pause and a gate in that plays on the gate high. The iPod controls are serial 
in the latest units so that's the circuitry I can't hack but I have an older iPod from when 
they used the remote control/headphone connector and I may try just "pushing it's 
buttons" via a electronic switch module. Worth a try. The older hard drive iPods don't react 
super fast but the flash based units are pretty snappy. it would be fun for timed sound 
effects or ambient noises. I'm sure Doepfer would not be interested in making one, but I 
sure would love to have one. 
For those with the chops here is a site that has the pinouts for the connector and a brief 
discription of the serial protocol used in the remotes:
http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml
I can see it as a panel with the nano clipped to it and a connector cable rinning into the 
panel and 6 jacks below - 4 control ins and 2 audio outs.
-James

you are 100% right - any MP# player would do the job. The smaller ones could eve reside 
behind the panel out of view - especially if you really hacked up the buttons etc. I just like 
the screen etc. giving back feedback but any other player would be fine.

-James

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Silas Johansen" <sijodk@...> wrote:

>
> Does it have to be an iPod? With the fancy controls in modern iPods it's
> probably not worth the trouble hacking them when you can get inexpensive
> noname mp3 players with normal pushbuttons that could be hacked in the way
> you describe with relatively little effort. Sure, you might already have
> iPods galore lying around, but we're talking a lot less than the cost of a
> module if you can live with "only" a gigabyte - more than enough for hours
> of live performance, even if you run it constantly.
> 
> But I must say I really like your module idea - I might implement it or
> something similar with a non-iPod player.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Silas
> 
> On 7/3/07, ersatzplanet <the_ersatz_planet@...> wrote:
> >
> >   I had an idea for a wacky module yesterday and thought I would share it.
> > Maybe a person
> > with better electronic chops than me can make one.
> > I offten play with ambient sound backgrounds. I used to use a reel-to-reel
> > with custom
> > tape loops, then a Tascam Porastudio, and now a retired iPod. I have a
> > bunch of them that
> > were given to me by co-workers when they broke. A new hard drive and they
> > work fine. My
> > girlfriend just got a iPod Nano and the thing is so small and compact that
> > I thought one
> > would be great mounted to a panel on my modular. Connect the dock cable to
> > give it
> > power and get the audio from it. Then the good part - control it through
> > the connector
> > too. I see having just the basic controls made CV-able. Have a trigger in
> > that does the
> > previous song selection, a trigger for the next song selection, and both a
> > trigger that
> > toggles play/pause and a gate in that plays on the gate high. The iPod
> > controls are serial
> > in the latest units so that's the circuitry I can't hack but I have an
> > older iPod from when
> > they used the remote control/headphone connector and I may try just
> > "pushing it's
> > buttons" via a electronic switch module. Worth a try. The older hard drive
> > iPods don't react
> > super fast but the flash based units are pretty snappy. it would be fun
> > for timed sound
> > effects or ambient noises. I'm sure Doepfer would not be interested in
> > making one, but I
> > sure would love to have one.
> > For those with the chops here is a site that has the pinouts for the
> > connector and a brief
> > discription of the serial protocol used in the remotes:
> > http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml
> > I can see it as a panel with the nano clipped to it and a connector cable
> > rinning into the
> > panel and 6 jacks below - 4 control ins and 2 audio outs.
> > -James
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Does it have to be an iPod? With the fancy controls in modern iPods it's
probably not worth the trouble hacking them when you can get inexpensive
noname mp3 players with normal pushbuttons that could be hacked in the way
you describe with relatively little effort. Sure, you might already have
iPods galore lying around, but we're talking a lot less than the cost of a
module if you can live with "only" a gigabyte - more than enough for hours
of live performance, even if you run it constantly.

But I must say I really like your module idea - I might implement it or
something similar with a non-iPod player.

Cheers,

Silas

On 7/3/07, ersatzplanet <the_ersatz_planet@mac.com> wrote:
>
>   I had an idea for a wacky module yesterday and thought I would share it.
> Maybe a person
> with better electronic chops than me can make one.
> I offten play with ambient sound backgrounds. I used to use a reel-to-reel
> with custom
> tape loops, then a Tascam Porastudio, and now a retired iPod. I have a
> bunch of them that
> were given to me by co-workers when they broke. A new hard drive and they
> work fine. My
> girlfriend just got a iPod Nano and the thing is so small and compact that
> I thought one
> would be great mounted to a panel on my modular. Connect the dock cable to
> give it
> power and get the audio from it. Then the good part - control it through
> the connector
> too. I see having just the basic controls made CV-able. Have a trigger in
> that does the
> previous song selection, a trigger for the next song selection, and both a
> trigger that
> toggles play/pause and a gate in that plays on the gate high. The iPod
> controls are serial
> in the latest units so that's the circuitry I can't hack but I have an
> older iPod from when
> they used the remote control/headphone connector and I may try just
> "pushing it's
> buttons" via a electronic switch module. Worth a try. The older hard drive
> iPods don't react
> super fast but the flash based units are pretty snappy. it would be fun
> for timed sound
> effects or ambient noises. I'm sure Doepfer would not be interested in
> making one, but I
> sure would love to have one.
> For those with the chops here is a site that has the pinouts for the
> connector and a brief
> discription of the serial protocol used in the remotes:
> http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml
> I can see it as a panel with the nano clipped to it and a connector cable
> rinning into the
> panel and 6 jacks below - 4 control ins and 2 audio outs.
> -James
>
>  
>


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Open source mp3
player:

http://store.makezine.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MKMP3KIT


---
Silas Johansen <sijodk@gmail.com>
wrote:&#13;&#10;&#13;&#10;> Does it have to be an
iPod? With the fancy controls&#13;&#10;> in modern
iPods it's&#13;&#10;> probably not worth the trouble
hacking them when you&#13;&#10;> can get
inexpensive&#13;&#10;> noname mp3 players with normal
pushbuttons that&#13;&#10;> could be hacked in the
way&#13;&#10;> you describe with relatively little
effort. Sure,&#13;&#10;> you might already
have&#13;&#10;> iPods galore lying around, but we're
talking a lot&#13;&#10;> less than the cost of
a&#13;&#10;> module if you can live with "only" a
gigabyte - more&#13;&#10;> than enough for
hours&#13;&#10;> of live performance, even if you run
it constantly.&#13;&#10;> &#13;&#10;> But I must say I
really like your module idea - I&#13;&#10;> might
implement it or&#13;&#10;> something similar with a
non-iPod player.&#13;&#10;> &#13;&#10;>
Cheers,&#13;&#10;> &#13;&#10;> Silas&#13;&#10;>
&#13;&#10;> On 7/3/07, ersatzplanet
<the_ersatz_planet@mac.com>&#13;&#10;>
wrote:&#13;&#10;> >&#13;&#10;> >   I had an idea for a
wacky module yesterday and&#13;&#10;> thought I would
share it.&#13;&#10;> > Maybe a person&#13;&#10;> >
with better electronic chops than me can make
one.&#13;&#10;> > I offten play with ambient sound
backgrounds. I&#13;&#10;> used to use a
reel-to-reel&#13;&#10;> > with custom&#13;&#10;> >
tape loops, then a Tascam Porastudio, and now
a&#13;&#10;> retired iPod. I have a&#13;&#10;> > bunch
of them that&#13;&#10;> > were given to me by
co-workers when they broke. A&#13;&#10;> new hard
drive and they&#13;&#10;> > work fine. My&#13;&#10;> >
girlfriend just got a iPod Nano and the thing
is&#13;&#10;> so small and compact that&#13;&#10;> > I
thought one&#13;&#10;> > would be great mounted to a
panel on my modular.&#13;&#10;> Connect the dock cable
to&#13;&#10;> > give it&#13;&#10;> > power and get the
audio from it. Then the good&#13;&#10;> part - control
it through&#13;&#10;> > the connector&#13;&#10;> >
too. I see having just the basic controls
made&#13;&#10;> CV-able. Have a trigger in&#13;&#10;>
> that does the&#13;&#10;> > previous song selection,
a trigger for the next&#13;&#10;> song selection, and
both a&#13;&#10;> > trigger that&#13;&#10;> > toggles
play/pause and a gate in that plays on the&#13;&#10;>
gate high. The iPod&#13;&#10;> > controls are
serial&#13;&#10;> > in the latest units so that's the
circuitry I&#13;&#10;> can't hack but I have
an&#13;&#10;> > older iPod from when&#13;&#10;> > they
used the remote control/headphone connector&#13;&#10;>
and I may try just&#13;&#10;> > "pushing
it's&#13;&#10;> > buttons" via a electronic switch
module. Worth a&#13;&#10;> try. The older hard
drive&#13;&#10;> > iPods don't react&#13;&#10;> >
super fast but the flash based units are
pretty&#13;&#10;> snappy. it would be fun&#13;&#10;> >
for timed sound&#13;&#10;> > effects or ambient
noises. I'm sure Doepfer would&#13;&#10;> not be
interested in&#13;&#10;> > making one, but
I&#13;&#10;> > sure would love to have one.&#13;&#10;>
> For those with the chops here is a site that
has&#13;&#10;> the pinouts for the&#13;&#10;> >
connector and a brief&#13;&#10;> > discription of the
serial protocol used in the&#13;&#10;>
remotes:&#13;&#10;> >&#13;&#10;>
http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml&#13;&#10;>
> I can see it as a panel with the nano clipped
to&#13;&#10;> it and a connector cable&#13;&#10;> >
rinning into the&#13;&#10;> > panel and 6 jacks below
- 4 control ins and 2&#13;&#10;> audio
outs.&#13;&#10;> > -James&#13;&#10;> >&#13;&#10;> > 
&#13;&#10;> >&#13;&#10;> &#13;&#10;> &#13;&#10;>
[Non-text portions of this message have
been&#13;&#10;> removed]&#13;&#10;> &#13;&#10;> &#13;&#10;


 
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On Jul 3, 2007, at 10:39 AM, neil jendon wrote:


> Open source mp3
> player:

http://store.makezine.com/ 
> ProductDetails.asp? 
> ProductCode=MKMP3KIT


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>
>
Your message came through pretty messed up but I still could see the  
link. -
http://store.makezine.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MKMP3KIT&% 
2313;&%2310;&%2313;&%2310;&%2313;&%2310;---

This looks very cool. The use of CF cards is appealing too. mount it  
behind the panel with the card slot accessible and it would be  
perfect. You can get the smaller sized CF cards pretty cheap nowadays  
and just swap them when you want a different track - less need of a  
display then. I will have to look into it's programming but it looks  
pretty cool - about the cost of the nano but most of the programming  
is on board.

-James