Doepfer

Hey all,

I have created a fictional webpage documenting some often-requested 
Schaltwerk features. I also created a bunch of images that actually 
show how these might work on the Schaltwerk. I posted this to the 
doepfer message board, but I doubt it will have to many people see it 
there :)

Check it out here:
http://www.socialentropy.com/studio/New_Features.htm

New features would be:
•        Pattern/Track Rotate
•        Pattern Autosave
•        Track Clipboard
•        Individual Note Length setting 

I know doepfer is (supposedly) working to upgrade the processor in 
both of the xxxwerks machines, but I don't think that a processor 
upgrade is really necessary to address most of the user requests for 
Schaltwerk. This is from my untrained opinion, of course!
features!

cheers
ripe

I don't have a shaltwerk, but a regelwerk, and if it is about the same it
would be good it it did controlchange outputs as an alternative to note.
Then it could do envelope stepping seqences.


----- Original Message -----

From: "ripe101" <ripe909@hotmail.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 5:06 AM
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Schaltwerk requested functions mockup webpage


> Hey all,
>
> I have created a fictional webpage documenting some often-requested
> Schaltwerk features. I also created a bunch of images that actually
> show how these might work on the Schaltwerk. I posted this to the
> doepfer message board, but I doubt it will have to many people see it
> there :)
>
> Check it out here:
> http://www.socialentropy.com/studio/New_Features.htm
>
> New features would be:
> .        Pattern/Track Rotate
> .        Pattern Autosave
> .        Track Clipboard
> .        Individual Note Length setting
>
> I know doepfer is (supposedly) working to upgrade the processor in
> both of the xxxwerks machines, but I don't think that a processor
> upgrade is really necessary to address most of the user requests for
> Schaltwerk. This is from my untrained opinion, of course!
> features!
>
> cheers
> ripe
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
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>
>

It works, but the UI for it has been removed, along with a number 
of other Schaltwerk features :(

Joe
--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ripe" <ripe909@h...> wrote:
> The schalt already does this, you can select notes or controllers... 
 is
> this feature disabled in Regelwerk?
> 
> cheers
> ripe
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andreas Lindholm" <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Schaltwerk requested functions mockup 
webpage
> 
> 
> > I don't have a shaltwerk, but a regelwerk, and if it is about the 
same it
> > would be good it it did controlchange outputs as an alternative to 
note.
> > Then it could do envelope stepping seqences.
> >

The schalt already does this, you can select notes or controllers...  is
this feature disabled in Regelwerk?

cheers
ripe

----- Original Message -----

From: "Andreas Lindholm" <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Schaltwerk requested functions mockup webpage


> I don't have a shaltwerk, but a regelwerk, and if it is about the same it
> would be good it it did controlchange outputs as an alternative to note.
> Then it could do envelope stepping seqences.
>

Okey, Joe, but then how do you access them without the UI?


----- Original Message -----

From: "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 8:34 PM
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk requested functions mockup webpage


> It works, but the UI for it has been removed, along with a number
> of other Schaltwerk features :(
>
> Joe
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ripe" <ripe909@h...> wrote:
> > The schalt already does this, you can select notes or controllers...
>  is
> > this feature disabled in Regelwerk?
> >
> > cheers
> > ripe
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andreas Lindholm" <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:10 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Schaltwerk requested functions mockup
> webpage
> >
> >
> > > I don't have a shaltwerk, but a regelwerk, and if it is about the
> same it
> > > would be good it it did controlchange outputs as an alternative to
> note.
> > > Then it could do envelope stepping seqences.
> > >
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
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>

Some of the functions which have no UI but run on the Regelwerk, like 
midi controller data from the sequencer, can be programmed via the PC 
software (if I understand correctly, I haven't tried this myself. If 
I'm going to turn the computer on, I'm going to run Cakewalk, not some 
Rube Goldberg deal where I program the Regelwerk sequencer from the 
PC.) 

Others functions such as the track modes (forward, reverse, pendulum) 
have no UI or PC editing, but will still run on the Regelwerk. The 
only way to use them is to either bulk transfer the sequence from a 
Shaltwerk, or use one of the preset patterns as a template - several 
of the Regelwerk's preset patterns can't be created on the Regelwerk. 
Chris Asall described this on the Doepfer forum.

Joe

download the--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm" 
<andreas.k.lindholm@t...> 
wrote:
> Okey, Joe, but then how do you access them without the UI?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 8:34 PM
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk requested functions mockup 
webpage
> 
> 
> > It works, but the UI for it has been removed, along with a number
> > of other Schaltwerk features :(
> >
> > Joe
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ripe" <ripe909@h...> wrote:
> > > The schalt already does this, you can select notes or 
controllers...
> >  is
> > > this feature disabled in Regelwerk?
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > ripe
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Andreas Lindholm" <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> > > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:10 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Schaltwerk requested functions 
mockup
> > webpage
> > >
> > >
> > > > I don't have a shaltwerk, but a regelwerk, and if it is about 
the
> > same it
> > > > would be good it it did controlchange outputs as an 
alternative to
> > note.
> > > > Then it could do envelope stepping seqences.
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@y...
> >
> >
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> >
> >

In my opinion, it has less to do with workmanship and more to do with 
misguided business considerations - would anyone buy a Shaltwerk if 
the Regelwerk had all the same functions enabled, in addition to 
having faders for setting note value, general-purpose faders and 
switches, and cost less money?

BTW, my info was a little out of date. The PC Editor now supports 
track run mode also.

Joe

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm" <andreas.k.lindholm@t...> 
wrote:
> Reading this last post from buchlerjoe I wonder why on earth did the
> regelwerk got released at all? It is now incomrehensible with all 
the
> features that is obviously only nearly finished or crippled. It 
could have
> been so awesome with what seem so little more effort and a bit more 
time...
> I am glad the  A100 isn't... if it was regelworkmanship on it the 
VCO would
> only have one vc input and it would be disabled if you choose choose 
SAW or
> something. and of course some of the knobs would have been removed. 
Arrgh!
> Better not ask anything more about this, I just don't want to hear 
about
> more...
> 
> None the less thanx Joe.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:08 PM
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk requested functions mockup 
webpage
> 
> 
> > Some of the functions which have no UI but run on the Regelwerk, 
like
> > midi controller data from the sequencer, can be programmed via the 
PC
> > software (if I understand correctly, I haven't tried this myself. 
If
> > I'm going to turn the computer on, I'm going to run Cakewalk, not 
some
> > Rube Goldberg deal where I program the Regelwerk sequencer from 
the
> > PC.)
> >
> > Others functions such as the track modes (forward, reverse, 
pendulum)
> > have no UI or PC editing, but will still run on the Regelwerk. The
> > only way to use them is to either bulk transfer the sequence from 
a
> > Shaltwerk, or use one of the preset patterns as a template - 
several
> > of the Regelwerk's preset patterns can't be created on the 
Regelwerk.
> > Chris Asall described this on the Doepfer forum.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > download the--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm"
> > <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> > wrote:
> > > Okey, Joe, but then how do you access them without the UI?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 8:34 PM
> > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk requested functions 
mockup
> > webpage
> > >
> > >
> > > > It works, but the UI for it has been removed, along with a 
number
> > > > of other Schaltwerk features :(
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ripe" <ripe909@h...> wrote:
> > > > > The schalt already does this, you can select notes or
> > controllers...
> > > >  is
> > > > > this feature disabled in Regelwerk?
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers
> > > > > ripe
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Andreas Lindholm" <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> > > > > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:10 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Schaltwerk requested functions
> > mockup
> > > > webpage
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I don't have a shaltwerk, but a regelwerk, and if it is 
about
> > the
> > > > same it
> > > > > > would be good it it did controlchange outputs as an
> > alternative to
> > > > note.
> > > > > > Then it could do envelope stepping seqences.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> > > >
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> >
> >
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> >

Reading this last post from buchlerjoe I wonder why on earth did the
regelwerk got released at all? It is now incomrehensible with all the
features that is obviously only nearly finished or crippled. It could have
been so awesome with what seem so little more effort and a bit more time...
I am glad the  A100 isn't... if it was regelworkmanship on it the VCO would
only have one vc input and it would be disabled if you choose choose SAW or
something. and of course some of the knobs would have been removed. Arrgh!
Better not ask anything more about this, I just don't want to hear about
more...

None the less thanx Joe.


----- Original Message -----

From: "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:08 PM
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk requested functions mockup webpage


> Some of the functions which have no UI but run on the Regelwerk, like
> midi controller data from the sequencer, can be programmed via the PC
> software (if I understand correctly, I haven't tried this myself. If
> I'm going to turn the computer on, I'm going to run Cakewalk, not some
> Rube Goldberg deal where I program the Regelwerk sequencer from the
> PC.)
>
> Others functions such as the track modes (forward, reverse, pendulum)
> have no UI or PC editing, but will still run on the Regelwerk. The
> only way to use them is to either bulk transfer the sequence from a
> Shaltwerk, or use one of the preset patterns as a template - several
> of the Regelwerk's preset patterns can't be created on the Regelwerk.
> Chris Asall described this on the Doepfer forum.
>
> Joe
>
> download the--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm"
> <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> wrote:
> > Okey, Joe, but then how do you access them without the UI?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 8:34 PM
> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk requested functions mockup
> webpage
> >
> >
> > > It works, but the UI for it has been removed, along with a number
> > > of other Schaltwerk features :(
> > >
> > > Joe
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ripe" <ripe909@h...> wrote:
> > > > The schalt already does this, you can select notes or
> controllers...
> > >  is
> > > > this feature disabled in Regelwerk?
> > > >
> > > > cheers
> > > > ripe
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Andreas Lindholm" <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> > > > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:10 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Schaltwerk requested functions
> mockup
> > > webpage
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I don't have a shaltwerk, but a regelwerk, and if it is about
> the
> > > same it
> > > > > would be good it it did controlchange outputs as an
> alternative to
> > > note.
> > > > > Then it could do envelope stepping seqences.
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@y...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
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>

no kidding, hence all my bitching and complaining about the ...werks. 
the boxes look great from the outside but they are so under powered, 
it makes sick to see them this way. personally,i think the regelwerk 
was put together to make use of all the the circuit boards that were 
laying around the shop. they already knew the cpu and memory were 
tapped on the schaltwerk, so why they built the regelwerk with the 
same the processor and memory scheme, i don't know. in the design and 
function process doepfer should of realised the regelwerk was gonna 
be limited from the get go. 

why they chose to release it this way is dumbfounding because now 
they are supposedly planning a cpu and memory board upgrade for both 
boxes. if they would have invested the proper time and resources into 
the developement of the regelwerk with a new cpu and memory, doepfer 
could have avoided the whole mess regarding these boxes. the 
schaltwerk would have been ready at the same time as the regelwerk 
was released. they would not have to play catch up and go through the 
ringer for releasing them so underpowered. not to mention the bad and 
negative image they garnered for releasing them this way and the 5 
years of an upgrade is coming and totally ignoring the requests from 
their paid customers who haved bought them. 

will doepfer ever admit they screwed up, i don't think so coming from 
their " all the boxes work as described in the manual" stance. i 
think they should bite a big chunk of the bullet when it comes to 
developement of the upgrade. the customers who have piad for the 
regelwerk basically helped doepfer recoup some of their costs from 
the schaltwerk fiasco. because of this both boxes are in a sorry 
state. hold on we need a new filter last week to come up with new 
sounds, but let's leave the controllers the way they are, who cares 
about having only 16th notes lengths. please put some thought into 
this mess and clean it up. 

i am sorry for the bandwidth but this subject brings up the " i feel 
i have been jooked " feeling everytime the S and R words come up.

patiently waiting for an upgrade so i can use them properly,
RM


--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm" 
<andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> Reading this last post from buchlerjoe I wonder why on earth did the
> regelwerk got released at all? It is now incomrehensible with all 
the
> features that is obviously only nearly finished or crippled. It 
could have
> been so awesome with what seem so little more effort and a bit more 
time...
> I am glad the  A100 isn't... if it was regelworkmanship on it the 
VCO would
> only have one vc input and it would be disabled if you choose 
choose SAW or
> something. and of course some of the knobs would have been removed. 
Arrgh!
> Better not ask anything more about this, I just don't want to hear 
about
> more...
> 
> None the less thanx Joe.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:08 PM
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk requested functions mockup 
webpage
> 
> 
> > Some of the functions which have no UI but run on the Regelwerk, 
like
> > midi controller data from the sequencer, can be programmed via 
the PC
> > software (if I understand correctly, I haven't tried this myself. 
If
> > I'm going to turn the computer on, I'm going to run Cakewalk, not 
some
> > Rube Goldberg deal where I program the Regelwerk sequencer from 
the
> > PC.)
> >
> > Others functions such as the track modes (forward, reverse, 
pendulum)
> > have no UI or PC editing, but will still run on the Regelwerk. The
> > only way to use them is to either bulk transfer the sequence from 
a
> > Shaltwerk, or use one of the preset patterns as a template - 
several
> > of the Regelwerk's preset patterns can't be created on the 
Regelwerk.
> > Chris Asall described this on the Doepfer forum.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > download the--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm"
> > <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> > wrote:
> > > Okey, Joe, but then how do you access them without the UI?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 8:34 PM
> > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk requested functions 
mockup
> > webpage
> > >
> > >
> > > > It works, but the UI for it has been removed, along with a 
number
> > > > of other Schaltwerk features :(
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ripe" <ripe909@h...> wrote:
> > > > > The schalt already does this, you can select notes or
> > controllers...
> > > >  is
> > > > > this feature disabled in Regelwerk?
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers
> > > > > ripe
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Andreas Lindholm" <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> > > > > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:10 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Schaltwerk requested functions
> > mockup
> > > > webpage
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I don't have a shaltwerk, but a regelwerk, and if it is 
about
> > the
> > > > same it
> > > > > > would be good it it did controlchange outputs as an
> > alternative to
> > > > note.
> > > > > > Then it could do envelope stepping seqences.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@y...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >

My last post on the subject, ending on a positive note so bakis 
doesn't blow a gasket:

I don't disagree with anything that's been said, but the fact of 
the matter is that I use my Regelwerk constantly, to the extent 
that I'd be hard pressed to get by without it. I consider it to be 
an integral part of my A100 system, just like my outboard effects. 
The step sequencer complements the A155 - if one of them won't do the 
job, usually the other will.

Here's some examples of where it's valuable:

-There was a discussion earlier about how to create a manual gate. 
Answer: RW momentary pushbutton.

-Florian was discussing a DIY module to switch in insert effects in a 
live performance. I patch the RW to an A150 for this kind of stuff.

-Bakis wants a CV/Gate to midi converter so he can trigger other midi 
synths from the A155. I trigger other midi synths from the RW.

What makes it so frustrating, though, is that the Regelwerk damn well 
had the potential to be, like, the coolest piece of music gear in the 
universe. Too bad it didn't work out that way.

Joe
 --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ringmod45" <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> no kidding, hence all my bitching and complaining about the 
...werks. 
> the boxes look great from the outside but they are so under powered, 
> it makes sick to see them this way. personally,i think the regelwerk 
> was put together to make use of all the the circuit boards that were 
> laying around the shop. they already knew the cpu and memory were 
> tapped on the schaltwerk, so why they built the regelwerk with the 
> same the processor and memory scheme, i don't know. in the design 
and 
> function process doepfer should of realised the regelwerk was gonna 
> be limited from the get go. 
> 
> why they chose to release it this way is dumbfounding because now 
> they are supposedly planning a cpu and memory board upgrade for both 
> boxes. if they would have invested the proper time and resources 
into 
> the developement of the regelwerk with a new cpu and memory, doepfer 
> could have avoided the whole mess regarding these boxes. the 
> schaltwerk would have been ready at the same time as the regelwerk 
> was released. they would not have to play catch up and go through 
the 
> ringer for releasing them so underpowered. not to mention the bad 
and 
> negative image they garnered for releasing them this way and the 5 
> years of an upgrade is coming and totally ignoring the requests from 
> their paid customers who haved bought them. 
> 
> will doepfer ever admit they screwed up, i don't think so coming 
from 
> their " all the boxes work as described in the manual" stance. i 
> think they should bite a big chunk of the bullet when it comes to 
> developement of the upgrade. the customers who have piad for the 
> regelwerk basically helped doepfer recoup some of their costs from 
> the schaltwerk fiasco. because of this both boxes are in a sorry 
> state. hold on we need a new filter last week to come up with new 
> sounds, but let's leave the controllers the way they are, who cares 
> about having only 16th notes lengths. please put some thought into 
> this mess and clean it up. 
> 
> i am sorry for the bandwidth but this subject brings up the " i feel 
> i have been jooked " feeling everytime the S and R words come up.
> 
> patiently waiting for an upgrade so i can use them properly,
> RM
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm" 
> <andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> > Reading this last post from buchlerjoe I wonder why on earth did 
the
> > regelwerk got released at all? It is now incomrehensible with all 
> the
> > features that is obviously only nearly finished or crippled. It 
> could have
> > been so awesome with what seem so little more effort and a bit 
more 
> time...
> > I am glad the  A100 isn't... if it was regelworkmanship on it the 
> VCO would
> > only have one vc input and it would be disabled if you choose 
> choose SAW or
> > something. and of course some of the knobs would have been 
removed. 
> Arrgh!
> > Better not ask anything more about this, I just don't want to hear 
> about
> > more...
> > 
> > None the less thanx Joe.
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:08 PM
> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk requested functions mockup 
> webpage
> > 
> > 
> > > Some of the functions which have no UI but run on the Regelwerk, 
> like
> > > midi controller data from the sequencer, can be programmed via 
> the PC
> > > software (if I understand correctly, I haven't tried this 
myself. 
> If
> > > I'm going to turn the computer on, I'm going to run Cakewalk, 
not 
> some
> > > Rube Goldberg deal where I program the Regelwerk sequencer from 
> the
> > > PC.)
> > >
> > > Others functions such as the track modes (forward, reverse, 
> pendulum)
> > > have no UI or PC editing, but will still run on the Regelwerk. 
The
> > > only way to use them is to either bulk transfer the sequence 
from 

> a
> > > Shaltwerk, or use one of the preset patterns as a template - 
> several
> > > of the Regelwerk's preset patterns can't be created on the 
> Regelwerk.
> > > Chris Asall described this on the Doepfer forum.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > download the--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm"
> > > <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Okey, Joe, but then how do you access them without the UI?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 8:34 PM
> > > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk requested functions 
> mockup
> > > webpage
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It works, but the UI for it has been removed, along with a 
> number
> > > > > of other Schaltwerk features :(
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe
> > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ripe" <ripe909@h...> wrote:
> > > > > > The schalt already does this, you can select notes or
> > > controllers...
> > > > >  is
> > > > > > this feature disabled in Regelwerk?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > cheers
> > > > > > ripe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Andreas Lindholm" <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> > > > > > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:10 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Schaltwerk requested functions
> > > mockup
> > > > > webpage
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't have a shaltwerk, but a regelwerk, and if it is 
> about
> > > the
> > > > > same it
> > > > > > > would be good it it did controlchange outputs as an
> > > alternative to
> > > > > note.
> > > > > > > Then it could do envelope stepping seqences.
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > > doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@y...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > >
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I have always assumed this too, that it isn't really about the machines, but
more in the mind of sales... "hey lets make two machines and cripple them
both so they have to buy two machines to do the job of one!" But I usually
keep those conspirative ideas in my head, but now you know.

If this was the concept it could have been done a lot better too. The
regelwerk could have stayed clear of the seqencerbit all together and
instead have some midi-cv output capacity, Thus beeing a lot better with
midi and not doing a little of a lot of things. Also the sysex transfer
could have been better, now synths that require a checksum bit can't be
edited with sysex cause the string is too short. As you see I have tried to
use mine for many things and it fell flat just about everywhere. And it is a
bit costly as just an Roland MKS50 editor;)


----- Original Message -----

From: "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 11:41 AM
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Gosh it is halfe baked!


> In my opinion, it has less to do with workmanship and more to do with
> misguided business considerations - would anyone buy a Shaltwerk if
> the Regelwerk had all the same functions enabled, in addition to
> having faders for setting note value, general-purpose faders and
> switches, and cost less money?
>
> BTW, my info was a little out of date. The PC Editor now supports
> track run mode also.
>
> Joe
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm" <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> wrote:
> > Reading this last post from buchlerjoe I wonder why on earth did the
> > regelwerk got released at all? It is now incomrehensible with all
> the
> > features that is obviously only nearly finished or crippled. It
> could have
> > been so awesome with what seem so little more effort and a bit more
> time...
> > I am glad the  A100 isn't... if it was regelworkmanship on it the
> VCO would
> > only have one vc input and it would be disabled if you choose choose
> SAW or
> > something. and of course some of the knobs would have been removed.
> Arrgh!
> > Better not ask anything more about this, I just don't want to hear
> about
> > more...
> >
> > None the less thanx Joe.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:08 PM
> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk requested functions mockup
> webpage
> >
> >
> > > Some of the functions which have no UI but run on the Regelwerk,
> like
> > > midi controller data from the sequencer, can be programmed via the
> PC
> > > software (if I understand correctly, I haven't tried this myself.
> If
> > > I'm going to turn the computer on, I'm going to run Cakewalk, not
> some
> > > Rube Goldberg deal where I program the Regelwerk sequencer from
> the
> > > PC.)
> > >
> > > Others functions such as the track modes (forward, reverse,
> pendulum)
> > > have no UI or PC editing, but will still run on the Regelwerk. The
> > > only way to use them is to either bulk transfer the sequence from
> a
> > > Shaltwerk, or use one of the preset patterns as a template -
> several
> > > of the Regelwerk's preset patterns can't be created on the
> Regelwerk.
> > > Chris Asall described this on the Doepfer forum.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > download the--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm"
> > > <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Okey, Joe, but then how do you access them without the UI?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 8:34 PM
> > > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk requested functions
> mockup
> > > webpage
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It works, but the UI for it has been removed, along with a
> number
> > > > > of other Schaltwerk features :(
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe
> > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ripe" <ripe909@h...> wrote:
> > > > > > The schalt already does this, you can select notes or
> > > controllers...
> > > > >  is
> > > > > > this feature disabled in Regelwerk?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > cheers
> > > > > > ripe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Andreas Lindholm" <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> > > > > > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:10 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Schaltwerk requested functions
> > > mockup
> > > > > webpage
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't have a shaltwerk, but a regelwerk, and if it is
> about
> > > the
> > > > > same it
> > > > > > > would be good it it did controlchange outputs as an
> > > alternative to
> > > > > note.
> > > > > > > Then it could do envelope stepping seqences.
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > > doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@y...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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hi joe and all the others,
please,feel free to speak about anything that has to
do with the a100 and that includes the shaltwerk
and,possibly the regelwerk...despite what dieter
doepfer thinks,i beleive that the shaltwerk
and,possibly,regelwerk can be extensions of the a100
modular,so,i don't mind...i would never want to be
considered as a"friend of the company" in a bad way.i
mean ,i am a friend of dieter doepfer(i hope he thinks
the same for me...), but that doesn't mean that i
don't want the members of the group to talk about any
a100 related problems...and,of course,feel free to
tell us any complaints...THIS GROUP IS NOT FOR
MARKETING NEW A100 MODULES!I MEAN THAT!so,...MAKE GOOD
USE OF IT! :-)
BAKIS.

--- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> My last post on the subject, ending on a positive
> note so bakis 
> doesn't blow a gasket:
> 
> I don't disagree with anything that's been said, but
> the fact of 
> the matter is that I use my Regelwerk constantly, to
> the extent 
> that I'd be hard pressed to get by without it. I
> consider it to be 
> an integral part of my A100 system, just like my
> outboard effects. 
> The step sequencer complements the A155 - if one of
> them won't do the 
> job, usually the other will.
> 
> Here's some examples of where it's valuable:
> 
> -There was a discussion earlier about how to create
> a manual gate. 
> Answer: RW momentary pushbutton.
> 
> -Florian was discussing a DIY module to switch in
> insert effects in a 
> live performance. I patch the RW to an A150 for this
> kind of stuff.
> 
> -Bakis wants a CV/Gate to midi converter so he can
> trigger other midi 
> synths from the A155. I trigger other midi synths
> from the RW.
> 
> What makes it so frustrating, though, is that the
> Regelwerk damn well 
> had the potential to be, like, the coolest piece of
> music gear in the 
> universe. Too bad it didn't work out that way.
> 
> Joe
>  --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ringmod45"
> <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> > no kidding, hence all my bitching and complaining
> about the 
> ...werks. 
> > the boxes look great from the outside but they are
> so under powered, 
> > it makes sick to see them this way. personally,i
> think the regelwerk 
> > was put together to make use of all the the
> circuit boards that were 
> > laying around the shop. they already knew the cpu
> and memory were 
> > tapped on the schaltwerk, so why they built the
> regelwerk with the 
> > same the processor and memory scheme, i don't
> know. in the design 
> and 
> > function process doepfer should of realised the
> regelwerk was gonna 
> > be limited from the get go. 
> > 
> > why they chose to release it this way is
> dumbfounding because now 
> > they are supposedly planning a cpu and memory
> board upgrade for both 
> > boxes. if they would have invested the proper time
> and resources 
> into 
> > the developement of the regelwerk with a new cpu
> and memory, doepfer 
> > could have avoided the whole mess regarding these
> boxes. the 
> > schaltwerk would have been ready at the same time
> as the regelwerk 
> > was released. they would not have to play catch up
> and go through 
> the 
> > ringer for releasing them so underpowered. not to
> mention the bad 
> and 
> > negative image they garnered for releasing them
> this way and the 5 
> > years of an upgrade is coming and totally ignoring
> the requests from 
> > their paid customers who haved bought them. 
> > 
> > will doepfer ever admit they screwed up, i don't
> think so coming 
> from 
> > their " all the boxes work as described in the
> manual" stance. i 
> > think they should bite a big chunk of the bullet
> when it comes to 
> > developement of the upgrade. the customers who
> have piad for the 
> > regelwerk basically helped doepfer recoup some of
> their costs from 
> > the schaltwerk fiasco. because of this both boxes
> are in a sorry 
> > state. hold on we need a new filter last week to
> come up with new 
> > sounds, but let's leave the controllers the way
> they are, who cares 
> > about having only 16th notes lengths. please put
> some thought into 
> > this mess and clean it up. 
> > 
> > i am sorry for the bandwidth but this subject
> brings up the " i feel 
> > i have been jooked " feeling everytime the S and R
> words come up.
> > 
> > patiently waiting for an upgrade so i can use them
> properly,
> > RM
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm" 
> > <andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> > > Reading this last post from buchlerjoe I wonder
> why on earth did 
> the
> > > regelwerk got released at all? It is now
> incomrehensible with all 
> > the
> > > features that is obviously only nearly finished
> or crippled. It 
> > could have
> > > been so awesome with what seem so little more
> effort and a bit 
> more 
> > time...
> > > I am glad the  A100 isn't... if it was
> regelworkmanship on it the 
> > VCO would
> > > only have one vc input and it would be disabled
> if you choose 
> > choose SAW or
> > > something. and of course some of the knobs would
> have been 
> removed. 
> > Arrgh!
> > > Better not ask anything more about this, I just
> don't want to hear 
> > about
> > > more...
> > > 
> > > None the less thanx Joe.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:08 PM
> > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk requested
> functions mockup 
> > webpage
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Some of the functions which have no UI but run
> on the Regelwerk, 
> > like
> > > > midi controller data from the sequencer, can
> be programmed via 
> > the PC
> > > > software (if I understand correctly, I haven't
> tried this 
> myself. 
> > If
> > > > I'm going to turn the computer on, I'm going
> to run Cakewalk, 
> not 
> > some
> > > > Rube Goldberg deal where I program the
> Regelwerk sequencer from 
> > the
> > > > PC.)
> > > >
> > > > Others functions such as the track modes
> (forward, reverse, 
> > pendulum)
> > > > have no UI or PC editing, but will still run
> on the Regelwerk. 
> The
> > > > only way to use them is to either bulk
> transfer the sequence 
> from 
> > a
> > > > Shaltwerk, or use one of the preset patterns
> as a template - 
> > several
> > > > of the Regelwerk's preset patterns can't be
> created on the 
> > Regelwerk.
> > > > Chris Asall described this on the Doepfer
> forum.
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > > download the--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas
> Lindholm"
> 
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Gosh bakis, now you've gone and made me wish I could take some words 
back.

I've been poking around some of the other synth groups recently, and 
by comparison it's very noticeable how well you've done personally in 
making the A100 group so successful. My hat's off to you.

Joe

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:

> hi joe and all the others,
> please,feel free to speak about anything that has to
> do with the a100 and that includes the shaltwerk
> and,possibly the regelwerk...despite what dieter
> doepfer thinks,i beleive that the shaltwerk
> and,possibly,regelwerk can be extensions of the a100
> modular,so,i don't mind...i would never want to be
> considered as a"friend of the company" in a bad way.i
> mean ,i am a friend of dieter doepfer(i hope he thinks
> the same for me...), but that doesn't mean that i
> don't want the members of the group to talk about any
> a100 related problems...and,of course,feel free to
> tell us any complaints...THIS GROUP IS NOT FOR
> MARKETING NEW A100 MODULES!I MEAN THAT!so,...MAKE GOOD
> USE OF IT! :-)
> BAKIS.
> 
> --- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > My last post on the subject, ending on a positive
> > note so bakis 
> > doesn't blow a gasket:
> > 
> > I don't disagree with anything that's been said, but
> > the fact of 
> > the matter is that I use my Regelwerk constantly, to
> > the extent 
> > that I'd be hard pressed to get by without it. I
> > consider it to be 
> > an integral part of my A100 system, just like my
> > outboard effects. 
> > The step sequencer complements the A155 - if one of
> > them won't do the 
> > job, usually the other will.
> > 
> > Here's some examples of where it's valuable:
> > 
> > -There was a discussion earlier about how to create
> > a manual gate. 
> > Answer: RW momentary pushbutton.
> > 
> > -Florian was discussing a DIY module to switch in
> > insert effects in a 
> > live performance. I patch the RW to an A150 for this
> > kind of stuff.
> > 
> > -Bakis wants a CV/Gate to midi converter so he can
> > trigger other midi 
> > synths from the A155. I trigger other midi synths
> > from the RW.
> > 
> > What makes it so frustrating, though, is that the
> > Regelwerk damn well 
> > had the potential to be, like, the coolest piece of
> > music gear in the 
> > universe. Too bad it didn't work out that way.
> > 
> > Joe
> >  --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ringmod45"
> > <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> > > no kidding, hence all my bitching and complaining
> > about the 
> > ...werks. 
> > > the boxes look great from the outside but they are
> > so under powered, 
> > > it makes sick to see them this way. personally,i
> > think the regelwerk 
> > > was put together to make use of all the the
> > circuit boards that were 
> > > laying around the shop. they already knew the cpu
> > and memory were 
> > > tapped on the schaltwerk, so why they built the
> > regelwerk with the 
> > > same the processor and memory scheme, i don't
> > know. in the design 
> > and 
> > > function process doepfer should of realised the
> > regelwerk was gonna 
> > > be limited from the get go. 
> > > 
> > > why they chose to release it this way is
> > dumbfounding because now 
> > > they are supposedly planning a cpu and memory
> > board upgrade for both 
> > > boxes. if they would have invested the proper time
> > and resources 
> > into 
> > > the developement of the regelwerk with a new cpu
> > and memory, doepfer 
> > > could have avoided the whole mess regarding these
> > boxes. the 
> > > schaltwerk would have been ready at the same time
> > as the regelwerk 
> > > was released. they would not have to play catch up
> > and go through 
> > the 
> > > ringer for releasing them so underpowered. not to
> > mention the bad 
> > and 
> > > negative image they garnered for releasing them
> > this way and the 5 
> > > years of an upgrade is coming and totally ignoring
> > the requests from 
> > > their paid customers who haved bought them. 
> > > 
> > > will doepfer ever admit they screwed up, i don't
> > think so coming 
> > from 
> > > their " all the boxes work as described in the
> > manual" stance. i 
> > > think they should bite a big chunk of the bullet
> > when it comes to 
> > > developement of the upgrade. the customers who
> > have piad for the 
> > > regelwerk basically helped doepfer recoup some of
> > their costs from 
> > > the schaltwerk fiasco. because of this both boxes
> > are in a sorry 
> > > state. hold on we need a new filter last week to
> > come up with new 
> > > sounds, but let's leave the controllers the way
> > they are, who cares 
> > > about having only 16th notes lengths. please put
> > some thought into 
> > > this mess and clean it up. 
> > > 
> > > i am sorry for the bandwidth but this subject
> > brings up the " i feel 
> > > i have been jooked " feeling everytime the S and R
> > words come up.
> > > 
> > > patiently waiting for an upgrade so i can use them
> > properly,
> > > RM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm" 
> > > <andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> > > > Reading this last post from buchlerjoe I wonder
> > why on earth did 
> > the
> > > > regelwerk got released at all? It is now
> > incomrehensible with all 
> > > the
> > > > features that is obviously only nearly finished
> > or crippled. It 
> > > could have
> > > > been so awesome with what seem so little more
> > effort and a bit 
> > more 
> > > time...
> > > > I am glad the  A100 isn't... if it was
> > regelworkmanship on it the 
> > > VCO would
> > > > only have one vc input and it would be disabled
> > if you choose 
> > > choose SAW or
> > > > something. and of course some of the knobs would
> > have been 
> > removed. 
> > > Arrgh!
> > > > Better not ask anything more about this, I just
> > don't want to hear 
> > > about
> > > > more...
> > > > 
> > > > None the less thanx Joe.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:08 PM
> > > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk requested
> > functions mockup 
> > > webpage
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Some of the functions which have no UI but run
> > on the Regelwerk, 
> > > like
> > > > > midi controller data from the sequencer, can
> > be programmed via 
> > > the PC
> > > > > software (if I understand correctly, I haven't
> > tried this 
> > myself. 
> > > If
> > > > > I'm going to turn the computer on, I'm going
> > to run Cakewalk, 
> > not 
> > > some
> > > > > Rube Goldberg deal where I program the
> > Regelwerk sequencer from 
> > > the
> > > > > PC.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Others functions such as the track modes
> > (forward, reverse, 
> > > pendulum)
> > > > > have no UI or PC editing, but will still run
> > on the Regelwerk. 
> > The
> > > > > only way to use them is to either bulk
> > transfer the sequence 
> > from 
> > > a
> > > > > Shaltwerk, or use one of the preset patterns
> > as a template - 
> > > several
> > > > > of the Regelwerk's preset patterns can't be
> > created on the 
> > > Regelwerk.
> > > > > Chris Asall described this on the Doepfer
> > forum.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe
> > > > >
> > > > > download the--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas
> > Lindholm"
> > 
> === message truncated ===
> 
> 
> =====
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> [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> 
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That's good to hear Bakis. Cause I don't think that I am that different from
most to grade a company by THE SUM of its products and not just their best
or their worst. We have seen great stuff and of course that adds to the
letdown with gear that is not as good as we believe they could have made it.
I seriously believe that it would have done Doepfer more good never to have
release the regelwerk as it is, but let us just hope they upgrade it to top
state of the art some day. I won't sell mine now cause noone deserves the
aggravation and besides it might eventually get upgraded. I hope Doepfer has
learned that it should use more betatesters before launching a product to
iron out flaws and alter designs to be really great at their job rather than
flimsy allrounders.

Now to something I hope is one the bright side. Can anybody give information
about the a108 multimodefilter? Is it as good as it seems, how does it sound
etc?


----- Original Message -----

From: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Gosh it is halfe baked!


> hi joe and all the others,
> please,feel free to speak about anything that has to
> do with the a100 and that includes the shaltwerk
> and,possibly the regelwerk...despite what dieter
> doepfer thinks,i beleive that the shaltwerk
> and,possibly,regelwerk can be extensions of the a100
> modular,so,i don't mind...

>i beleive that the shaltwerk and,possibly,regelwerk can be extensions of the a100 modular,<
 Well, if you patch your favorite guitar effect pedal (or an external filter bank or whatever) into the signal flow of the A-100 then you extend the modular as well. But do you have to discuss it in here? I don´t think so! 

Folks, I think there´s a Schaltwerk group on Yahoo (or was it Regelwerk... sorry, I´m not interested in this machines). If you want to discuss them AND the A-100, then please join both groups and keep the topics separated.

Did anyone think about rewriting the A-190´s software when talking about software updates? I´d really really like to see the arpeggiator implemented in A-190´s performance-mode #5 one day. But instead you´re making your brains smoke when it comes to the *****werks´ OS update or even redesign. A little bit off-topic in my opinion. 
Does anyone know the AHOT (Analog Heaven Off-Topic) - list? What about running a similar list in parallel to the A-100 list? Everyone who wants to join may join. I won´t.

THIS GROUP IS FOR DISCUSSING THE A-100 SYSTEM... MAKE GOOD USE OF IT! (Bakis, sorry for the sarcasm :-)

all the best
Paul

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: bakis Sirros 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Gosh it is halfe baked!


  hi joe and all the others,
  please,feel free to speak about anything that has to
  do with the a100 and that includes the shaltwerk
  and,possibly the regelwerk...despite what dieter
  doepfer thinks,i beleive that the shaltwerk
  and,possibly,regelwerk can be extensions of the a100
  modular,so,i don't mind...i would never want to be
  considered as a"friend of the company" in a bad way.i
  mean ,i am a friend of dieter doepfer(i hope he thinks
  the same for me...), but that doesn't mean that i
  don't want the members of the group to talk about any
  a100 related problems...and,of course,feel free to
  tell us any complaints...THIS GROUP IS NOT FOR
  MARKETING NEW A100 MODULES!I MEAN THAT!so,...MAKE GOOD
  USE OF IT! :-)
  BAKIS.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

thank you joe,but,to tell you the truth...i don't
think i'm doing anything!it's the a100 members that
make this group great!many of you seem to know so much
about analog synthesis and electronics and that's why
this group is alive...in fact ,i should thank all the
a100 members because i,most of the time,learn new
things from this group!
bakis.


--- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> Gosh bakis, now you've gone and made me wish I could
> take some words 
> back.
> 
> I've been poking around some of the other synth
> groups recently, and 
> by comparison it's very noticeable how well you've
> done personally in 
> making the A100 group so successful. My hat's off to
> you.
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > hi joe and all the others,
> > please,feel free to speak about anything that has
> to
> > do with the a100 and that includes the shaltwerk
> > and,possibly the regelwerk...despite what dieter
> > doepfer thinks,i beleive that the shaltwerk
> > and,possibly,regelwerk can be extensions of the
> a100
> > modular,so,i don't mind...i would never want to be
> > considered as a"friend of the company" in a bad
> way.i
> > mean ,i am a friend of dieter doepfer(i hope he
> thinks
> > the same for me...), but that doesn't mean that i
> > don't want the members of the group to talk about
> any
> > a100 related problems...and,of course,feel free to
> > tell us any complaints...THIS GROUP IS NOT FOR
> > MARKETING NEW A100 MODULES!I MEAN THAT!so,...MAKE
> GOOD
> > USE OF IT! :-)
> > BAKIS.
> > 
> > --- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > My last post on the subject, ending on a
> positive
> > > note so bakis 
> > > doesn't blow a gasket:
> > > 
> > > I don't disagree with anything that's been said,
> but
> > > the fact of 
> > > the matter is that I use my Regelwerk
> constantly, to
> > > the extent 
> > > that I'd be hard pressed to get by without it. I
> > > consider it to be 
> > > an integral part of my A100 system, just like my
> > > outboard effects. 
> > > The step sequencer complements the A155 - if one
> of
> > > them won't do the 
> > > job, usually the other will.
> > > 
> > > Here's some examples of where it's valuable:
> > > 
> > > -There was a discussion earlier about how to
> create
> > > a manual gate. 
> > > Answer: RW momentary pushbutton.
> > > 
> > > -Florian was discussing a DIY module to switch
> in
> > > insert effects in a 
> > > live performance. I patch the RW to an A150 for
> this
> > > kind of stuff.
> > > 
> > > -Bakis wants a CV/Gate to midi converter so he
> can
> > > trigger other midi 
> > > synths from the A155. I trigger other midi
> synths
> > > from the RW.
> > > 
> > > What makes it so frustrating, though, is that
> the
> > > Regelwerk damn well 
> > > had the potential to be, like, the coolest piece
> of
> > > music gear in the 
> > > universe. Too bad it didn't work out that way.
> > > 
> > > Joe
> > >  --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ringmod45"
> > > <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> > > > no kidding, hence all my bitching and
> complaining
> > > about the 
> > > ...werks. 
> > > > the boxes look great from the outside but they
> are
> > > so under powered, 
> > > > it makes sick to see them this way.
> personally,i
> > > think the regelwerk 
> > > > was put together to make use of all the the
> > > circuit boards that were 
> > > > laying around the shop. they already knew the
> cpu
> > > and memory were 
> > > > tapped on the schaltwerk, so why they built
> the
> > > regelwerk with the 
> > > > same the processor and memory scheme, i don't
> > > know. in the design 
> > > and 
> > > > function process doepfer should of realised
> the
> > > regelwerk was gonna 
> > > > be limited from the get go. 
> > > > 
> > > > why they chose to release it this way is
> > > dumbfounding because now 
> > > > they are supposedly planning a cpu and memory
> > > board upgrade for both 
> > > > boxes. if they would have invested the proper
> time
> > > and resources 
> > > into 
> > > > the developement of the regelwerk with a new
> cpu
> > > and memory, doepfer 
> > > > could have avoided the whole mess regarding
> these
> > > boxes. the 
> > > > schaltwerk would have been ready at the same
> time
> > > as the regelwerk 
> > > > was released. they would not have to play
> catch up
> > > and go through 
> > > the 
> > > > ringer for releasing them so underpowered. not
> to
> > > mention the bad 
> > > and 
> > > > negative image they garnered for releasing
> them
> > > this way and the 5 
> > > > years of an upgrade is coming and totally
> ignoring
> > > the requests from 
> > > > their paid customers who haved bought them. 
> > > > 
> > > > will doepfer ever admit they screwed up, i
> don't
> > > think so coming 
> > > from 
> > > > their " all the boxes work as described in the
> > > manual" stance. i 
> > > > think they should bite a big chunk of the
> bullet
> > > when it comes to 
> > > > developement of the upgrade. the customers who
> > > have piad for the 
> > > > regelwerk basically helped doepfer recoup some
> of
> > > their costs from 
> > > > the schaltwerk fiasco. because of this both
> boxes
> > > are in a sorry 
> > > > state. hold on we need a new filter last week
> to
> > > come up with new 
> > > > sounds, but let's leave the controllers the
> way
> > > they are, who cares 
> > > > about having only 16th notes lengths. please
> put
> > > some thought into 
> > > > this mess and clean it up. 
> > > > 
> > > > i am sorry for the bandwidth but this subject
> > > brings up the " i feel 
> > > > i have been jooked " feeling everytime the S
> and R
> > > words come up.
> > > > 
> > > > patiently waiting for an upgrade so i can use
> them
> > > properly,
> > > > RM
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm" 
> > > > <andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> > > > > Reading this last post from buchlerjoe I
> wonder
> > > why on earth did 
> > > the
> > > > > regelwerk got released at all? It is now
> > > incomrehensible with all 
> > > > the
> > > > > features that is obviously only nearly
> finished
> 
=== message truncated ===


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hi paul,
i don't have the shaltwerk or the regelwerk
myself,either...but i still beleive that
shaltwerk,mostly,can be seen as an
extension/peripheral of the a100 system!it's an analog
trigger sequencer and it's made to match the a100
cosmeticaly from the very same company.so,i don't see
anything wrong with people wanting to talk about these
machines in matters that include the a100,also...
Now ,if there is really a group for shaltwerk(i don't
know...),well,it would be better for our members to
talk about it more extensively in the shaltwerk
group(but be sure to tell the moderator to invite
dieter doepfer and chris assall to be members of that
group,too.)
now,about the a190 arpegiattor...I WOULD WANT
THAT,TOO,OF COURSE!but,even if this software upgrade
happens,how could we download it to the a190?could
this be done thru MIDI?if this is the case,of course i
want this arpegiattor upgrade(free,of course...)
and,yes...:THIS GROUP IS ABOUT DISCUSSING ALL ABOUT
THE A100 SYSTEM,SO,MAKE GOOD USE OF IT! :-)
bakis.


--- Paul Schulz <dasfonk@web.de> wrote:
> >i beleive that the shaltwerk and,possibly,regelwerk
> can be extensions of the a100 modular,<
>  Well, if you patch your favorite guitar effect
> pedal (or an external filter bank or whatever) into
> the signal flow of the A-100 then you extend the
> modular as well. But do you have to discuss it in
> here? I don�t think so! 
> 
> Folks, I think there�s a Schaltwerk group on Yahoo
> (or was it Regelwerk... sorry, I�m not interested in
> this machines). If you want to discuss them AND the
> A-100, then please join both groups and keep the
> topics separated.
> 
> Did anyone think about rewriting the A-190�s
> software when talking about software updates? I�d
> really really like to see the arpeggiator
> implemented in A-190�s performance-mode #5 one day.
> But instead you�re making your brains smoke when it
> comes to the *****werks� OS update or even redesign.
> A little bit off-topic in my opinion. 
> Does anyone know the AHOT (Analog Heaven Off-Topic)
> - list? What about running a similar list in
> parallel to the A-100 list? Everyone who wants to
> join may join. I won�t.
> 
> THIS GROUP IS FOR DISCUSSING THE A-100 SYSTEM...
> MAKE GOOD USE OF IT! (Bakis, sorry for the sarcasm
> :-)
> 
> all the best
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: bakis Sirros 
>   To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 7:38 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Gosh it is halfe
> baked!
> 
> 
>   hi joe and all the others,
>   please,feel free to speak about anything that has
> to
>   do with the a100 and that includes the shaltwerk
>   and,possibly the regelwerk...despite what dieter
>   doepfer thinks,i beleive that the shaltwerk
>   and,possibly,regelwerk can be extensions of the
> a100
>   modular,so,i don't mind...i would never want to be
>   considered as a"friend of the company" in a bad
> way.i
>   mean ,i am a friend of dieter doepfer(i hope he
> thinks
>   the same for me...), but that doesn't mean that i
>   don't want the members of the group to talk about
> any
>   a100 related problems...and,of course,feel free to
>   tell us any complaints...THIS GROUP IS NOT FOR
>   MARKETING NEW A100 MODULES!I MEAN THAT!so,...MAKE
> GOOD
>   USE OF IT! :-)
>   BAKIS.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 


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ditto.i said it once and i will say it again " bakis you are doing a 
great job of moderating and communicating with the powers that be at 
doepfer. your input is valuable to us all as well as the other 
members of the group. thanks for keeping an open mind with regards to 
the ...werk boxes. once they are upgraded, they will become what joe 
said " the Regelwerk damn well had the potential to be, like, the 
coolest piece of music gear in the universe." believe me once the 
quirks and proper functions sets are worked out. you will want to 
have the 8 cv gate channels, pattern memory and song chaining to 
control your A100. 
peace out,
RM

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> Gosh bakis, now you've gone and made me wish I could take some 
words 
> back.
> 
> I've been poking around some of the other synth groups recently, 
and 
> by comparison it's very noticeable how well you've done personally 
in 
> making the A100 group so successful. My hat's off to you.
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> 
wrote:

> > hi joe and all the others,
> > please,feel free to speak about anything that has to
> > do with the a100 and that includes the shaltwerk
> > and,possibly the regelwerk...despite what dieter
> > doepfer thinks,i beleive that the shaltwerk
> > and,possibly,regelwerk can be extensions of the a100
> > modular,so,i don't mind...i would never want to be
> > considered as a"friend of the company" in a bad way.i
> > mean ,i am a friend of dieter doepfer(i hope he thinks
> > the same for me...), but that doesn't mean that i
> > don't want the members of the group to talk about any
> > a100 related problems...and,of course,feel free to
> > tell us any complaints...THIS GROUP IS NOT FOR
> > MARKETING NEW A100 MODULES!I MEAN THAT!so,...MAKE GOOD
> > USE OF IT! :-)
> > BAKIS.
> > 
> > --- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > My last post on the subject, ending on a positive
> > > note so bakis 
> > > doesn't blow a gasket:
> > > 
> > > I don't disagree with anything that's been said, but
> > > the fact of 
> > > the matter is that I use my Regelwerk constantly, to
> > > the extent 
> > > that I'd be hard pressed to get by without it. I
> > > consider it to be 
> > > an integral part of my A100 system, just like my
> > > outboard effects. 
> > > The step sequencer complements the A155 - if one of
> > > them won't do the 
> > > job, usually the other will.
> > > 
> > > Here's some examples of where it's valuable:
> > > 
> > > -There was a discussion earlier about how to create
> > > a manual gate. 
> > > Answer: RW momentary pushbutton.
> > > 
> > > -Florian was discussing a DIY module to switch in
> > > insert effects in a 
> > > live performance. I patch the RW to an A150 for this
> > > kind of stuff.
> > > 
> > > -Bakis wants a CV/Gate to midi converter so he can
> > > trigger other midi 
> > > synths from the A155. I trigger other midi synths
> > > from the RW.
> > > 
> > > What makes it so frustrating, though, is that the
> > > Regelwerk damn well 
> > > had the potential to be, like, the coolest piece of
> > > music gear in the 
> > > universe. Too bad it didn't work out that way.
> > > 
> > > Joe
> > >  --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ringmod45"
> > > <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> > > > no kidding, hence all my bitching and complaining
> > > about the 
> > > ...werks. 
> > > > the boxes look great from the outside but they are
> > > so under powered, 
> > > > it makes sick to see them this way. personally,i
> > > think the regelwerk 
> > > > was put together to make use of all the the
> > > circuit boards that were 
> > > > laying around the shop. they already knew the cpu
> > > and memory were 
> > > > tapped on the schaltwerk, so why they built the
> > > regelwerk with the 
> > > > same the processor and memory scheme, i don't
> > > know. in the design 
> > > and 
> > > > function process doepfer should of realised the
> > > regelwerk was gonna 
> > > > be limited from the get go. 
> > > > 
> > > > why they chose to release it this way is
> > > dumbfounding because now 
> > > > they are supposedly planning a cpu and memory
> > > board upgrade for both 
> > > > boxes. if they would have invested the proper time
> > > and resources 
> > > into 
> > > > the developement of the regelwerk with a new cpu
> > > and memory, doepfer 
> > > > could have avoided the whole mess regarding these
> > > boxes. the 
> > > > schaltwerk would have been ready at the same time
> > > as the regelwerk 
> > > > was released. they would not have to play catch up
> > > and go through 
> > > the 
> > > > ringer for releasing them so underpowered. not to
> > > mention the bad 
> > > and 
> > > > negative image they garnered for releasing them
> > > this way and the 5 
> > > > years of an upgrade is coming and totally ignoring
> > > the requests from 
> > > > their paid customers who haved bought them. 
> > > > 
> > > > will doepfer ever admit they screwed up, i don't
> > > think so coming 
> > > from 
> > > > their " all the boxes work as described in the
> > > manual" stance. i 
> > > > think they should bite a big chunk of the bullet
> > > when it comes to 
> > > > developement of the upgrade. the customers who
> > > have piad for the 
> > > > regelwerk basically helped doepfer recoup some of
> > > their costs from 
> > > > the schaltwerk fiasco. because of this both boxes
> > > are in a sorry 
> > > > state. hold on we need a new filter last week to
> > > come up with new 
> > > > sounds, but let's leave the controllers the way
> > > they are, who cares 
> > > > about having only 16th notes lengths. please put
> > > some thought into 
> > > > this mess and clean it up. 
> > > > 
> > > > i am sorry for the bandwidth but this subject
> > > brings up the " i feel 
> > > > i have been jooked " feeling everytime the S and R
> > > words come up.
> > > > 
> > > > patiently waiting for an upgrade so i can use them
> > > properly,
> > > > RM
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm" 
> > > > <andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> > > > > Reading this last post from buchlerjoe I wonder
> > > why on earth did 
> > > the
> > > > > regelwerk got released at all? It is now
> > > incomrehensible with all 
> > > > the
> > > > > features that is obviously only nearly finished
> > > or crippled. It 
> > > > could have
> > > > > been so awesome with what seem so little more
> > > effort and a bit 
> > > more 
> > > > time...
> > > > > I am glad the  A100 isn't... if it was
> > > regelworkmanship on it the 
> > > > VCO would
> > > > > only have one vc input and it would be disabled
> > > if you choose 
> > > > choose SAW or
> > > > > something. and of course some of the knobs would
> > > have been 
> > > removed. 
> > > > Arrgh!
> > > > > Better not ask anything more about this, I just
> > > don't want to hear 
> > > > about
> > > > > more...
> > > > > 
> > > > > None the less thanx Joe.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:08 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk requested
> > > functions mockup 
> > > > webpage
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Some of the functions which have no UI but run
> > > on the Regelwerk, 
> > > > like
> > > > > > midi controller data from the sequencer, can
> > > be programmed via 
> > > > the PC
> > > > > > software (if I understand correctly, I haven't
> > > tried this 
> > > myself. 
> > > > If
> > > > > > I'm going to turn the computer on, I'm going
> > > to run Cakewalk, 
> > > not 
> > > > some
> > > > > > Rube Goldberg deal where I program the
> > > Regelwerk sequencer from 
> > > > the
> > > > > > PC.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Others functions such as the track modes
> > > (forward, reverse, 
> > > > pendulum)
> > > > > > have no UI or PC editing, but will still run
> > > on the Regelwerk. 
> > > The
> > > > > > only way to use them is to either bulk
> > > transfer the sequence 
> > > from 
> > > > a
> > > > > > Shaltwerk, or use one of the preset patterns
> > > as a template - 
> > > > several
> > > > > > of the Regelwerk's preset patterns can't be
> > > created on the 
> > > > Regelwerk.
> > > > > > Chris Asall described this on the Doepfer
> > > forum.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > download the--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas
> > > Lindholm"
> > > 
> > === message truncated ===
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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Hi Bakis,

concerning the Schaltwerk list, check Message #1481 posted by ripe.
"Please join the schaltwerk list to discuss the schaltwerk further
(newfeatures, code, etc) the schaltwerk list is here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dOePfErsChALtwERk  "

I don´t think the A-190 update can be done by MIDI. This would be a really
comfortable way (and the cheapest, btw), but I rather suppose you´ll have to
change the Eeprom (the large chip with 28 legs on the upper side of the
large PCB). By the way, does anyone know which OS version is the recent one?
My A-190 uses V1.4.

hi paul, i would like to clarify a few points from your post. please 
do not take this as a flame.

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Paul Schulz" <dasfonk@w...> wrote:
> >i beleive that the shaltwerk and,possibly,regelwerk can be 
extensions of the a100 modular,<
>  Well, if you patch your favorite guitar effect pedal (or an 
external filter bank or whatever) into the signal flow of the A-100 
then you extend the modular as well. But do you have to discuss it in 
here? I don´t think so! 

the ....werk boxes are from the same company as the A100, doepfer. 
they have the same livery as the A100. the cv and gate voltages are 
in the same range. these boxes were invariablely built to control the 
A100 hence the cv and gate jacks on the back.remember what 
the ....werk boxes are, they are sequencers among the other functions 
that are tied in with them. owning the A100 systems and both of 
the ...werk boxes and trying to use them properly with a few 
additions brings a certain validity for discussion on this group.
once these boxed are sorted out properly, everybody else will profit 
from their upgrading.


> 
> Folks, I think there´s a Schaltwerk group on Yahoo (or was it 
Regelwerk... sorry, I´m not interested in this machines). If you want 
to discuss them AND the A-100, then please join both groups and keep 
the topics separated.
 
the reason for discussing them here is due to the fact that doepfer 
has practically ignored everybody who posted on its own ez-board 
forum. at least we got a few straight and not so straight answers 
from doepfer concerning these boxes from this group because voices 
and opinions were heard( thanks bakis). now maybe they will do 
something for the customers who have paid for them and to the future 
buyers who will know that they have a function rich machine that is 
not choked from the get go with an inadequate cpu, memory and proper 
musical functions.

at least ripe101 is willing to re-write the code for the schaltwerk 
for free because he sees the potential in the the machine. it seems 
sad that doepfer do not have the same enthusiam as he does with 
regards to the schaltwerk. it's like having a child and putting him 
in a foster home because you neither have the will or energy to put 
into its well being.

i agree with you that all future features that people want should go 
to the ...werk group, but some of them might benefit the ....werk 
boxes and A100 users if they are discussed here to get a different 
perspective. you never who can come up with a brilliant idea because 
they might have a different thought than the ones at the ...werk 
group. the note tie issue some how eclipsed the minds at doepfer, 
that a user offered a simple solution to the problem because it was 
being dicussed on the forum actually made sense to doepfer programmer 
Chris.

i am sorry to hear that you uninterested in any of the ...werk boxes. 
once they are up and running properly, you and future users will no 
doubt benefit from the tactile and simple layout of these boxes. the 
joy of instant interaction with your A100 and other gear without 
having to boot up a computer or use a mouse and have preset patterns 
and songs available at the push of a button.


> 
> Did anyone think about rewriting the A-190´s software when talking 
about software updates? I´d really really like to see the arpeggiator 
implemented in A-190´s performance-mode #5 one day.

i agree with you here, but i find the resolution and functions of the 
A190 a little thin. so i use another device to get by. i can't say 
the same about the ....werk boxes, having invested a considerale sum 
into them.

 >But instead you´re making your brains smoke when it comes to the 
>*****werks´ OS update or even redesign. A little bit off-topic in my 
>opinion. 

in your opinion, it is a little off topic because you don't have a 
dollar invested in them. believe me if you owned one or both of them 
you would be crying to have them upgraded. everyone will benefit from 
an upgrade, the users who have them, the future ones and a better 
public image for doepfer for doing something about it. if i had the 
programming skills to re-write the code for the schaltwerk, i would 
do it just like ripe101 is doing. i bought these boxes to make music 
with them and my A100 system.


> Does anyone know the AHOT (Analog Heaven Off-Topic) - list? 

i don't suscribe to AH or AHOT, so i can't comment on it. the ...werk 
boxes are not off topic, they deal with musical functions that are 
relayed through cv and gate output jacks to control (much like the 
A155) the A100 system in the same voltage ranges .

>What about running a similar list in parallel to the A-100 list? 
>Everyone who wants to join may join. I won´t. 
> THIS GROUP IS FOR DISCUSSING THE A-100 SYSTEM... MAKE GOOD USE OF 
IT! (Bakis, sorry for the sarcasm :-)

the group should remain open to all things that are doepfer related 
as bakis suggested. if ...werk posts do not concern you , you have 
the ability to not read them if you wish. once the ...werk  boxes are 
functioning properly you may want to prick up your ears and listen to 
the ideas and thoughts that people will be saying about them. until 
then let's see that they get the proper upgrade they deserve and 
stimulate some ideas for doepfer to use in the process of upgrading 
them.

kindest regards,
RM

> 
> all the best
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: bakis Sirros 
>   To: Doepfer_a100@y... 
>   Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 7:38 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Gosh it is halfe baked!
> 
> 
>   hi joe and all the others,
>   please,feel free to speak about anything that has to
>   do with the a100 and that includes the shaltwerk
>   and,possibly the regelwerk...despite what dieter
>   doepfer thinks,i beleive that the shaltwerk
>   and,possibly,regelwerk can be extensions of the a100
>   modular,so,i don't mind...i would never want to be
>   considered as a"friend of the company" in a bad way.i
>   mean ,i am a friend of dieter doepfer(i hope he thinks
>   the same for me...), but that doesn't mean that i
>   don't want the members of the group to talk about any
>   a100 related problems...and,of course,feel free to
>   tell us any complaints...THIS GROUP IS NOT FOR
>   MARKETING NEW A100 MODULES!I MEAN THAT!so,...MAKE GOOD
>   USE OF IT! :-)
>   BAKIS.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

hi paul, thanks for understanding. i seem to be the most vocal on the 
issue. i did not take it personally, i was just trying to keep the 
doors open to discussion. if we close our minds, it won't help us in 
the long run. these machines do need an upgrade, in the future they 
might help you or other users with their A100 systems.

people are conservative only when they don't explore other avenues of 
thought and simply fellow the normal mass culture way of doing 
things. thereby you having an A100 constitutes the exact opposite of 
convservative. keep exploring and enjoy life. thanks and cheers.

may the force be with you, :)
rm

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Paul Schulz" <dasfonk@w...> wrote:
> Hi ringmod,
> 
> >please do not take this as a flame.
> No problem with that, I am not inflammable ;-)
> 
> To clarify it, it was NOT my intention to disrespect neither the 
*werks´ users nor the machines themself. Don´t take it personal. If 
anyone feels hurt - sorry about that!!! 
> 
> Highest regards to anyone here who tries to make things move at 
Doepfer. That´s the fantastic aspect about this group - having 
influence on the manufacturer´s decisions. And much respect goes out 
to ripe101 (and everybody else) who is willing to re-write 
Schaltwerk´s code; now that is what I call a hardcore enthusiast :-) 
Instead of getting alternative gear (if there´s something like this) 
you try to hack the brain of this machine - wow!
> 
> Opinions may differ what is on- or off-topic, but as you 
mentioned  "you have the ability to not read them if you wish." True, 
true. Maybe I am a little too conservative in this point... (Gosh, 
did I really describe myself as conservative? At my young age... ;-)

> 
> have a nice day, y´all
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi ringmod,

>please do not take this as a flame.
No problem with that, I am not inflammable ;-)

To clarify it, it was NOT my intention to disrespect neither the *werks´ users nor the machines themself. Don´t take it personal. If anyone feels hurt - sorry about that!!! 

Highest regards to anyone here who tries to make things move at Doepfer. That´s the fantastic aspect about this group - having influence on the manufacturer´s decisions. And much respect goes out to ripe101 (and everybody else) who is willing to re-write Schaltwerk´s code; now that is what I call a hardcore enthusiast :-) Instead of getting alternative gear (if there´s something like this) you try to hack the brain of this machine - wow!

Opinions may differ what is on- or off-topic, but as you mentioned  "you have the ability to not read them if you wish." True, true. Maybe I am a little too conservative in this point... (Gosh, did I really describe myself as conservative? At my young age... ;-)

have a nice day, y´all
Paul





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I remember feeling frustrated a while back because the group was 
dominated by discussion of the touch controller. It didn't interest 
me, so I felt left out. I even considered posting something to the 
effect that the touch controller isn't an A100 module and shouldn't 
be discussed so much, but thought better of it in the end.

Using the A100 in conjunction with other equipment is one of the 
most fascinating aspects of modular systems to explore, in my mind. If 
someone here produces great music by patching in external audio, or an 
insert or pedal effect, or a controller, or another synth with CV 
inputs, I love to hear about it! Lots of people use their modular 
system strictly for processing external sources, rather than as a 
synth. 

There's even one group member here who doesn't own any audio modules 
at all - his A100 is dedicated to modulating his Waldorf Q. What a 
great idea! It would be a shame if he had felt constrained not to 
discuss it, we never would have heard about it.

I feel that anyone who is being creative, and using electronic music 
gear in ways that the manufacturer never intended, is doing something 
right. So if Dieter doesn't think that the Regelwerk is an extension 
of the A100, then fine, I know something that he doesn't.

Joe

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ringmod45" <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> hi paul, thanks for understanding. i seem to be the most vocal on 
the 
> issue. i did not take it personally, i was just trying to keep the 
> doors open to discussion. if we close our minds, it won't help us in 
> the long run. these machines do need an upgrade, in the future they 
> might help you or other users with their A100 systems.
> 
> people are conservative only when they don't explore other avenues 
of 
> thought and simply fellow the normal mass culture way of doing 
> things. thereby you having an A100 constitutes the exact opposite of 
> convservative. keep exploring and enjoy life. thanks and cheers.
> 
> may the force be with you, :)
> rm
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Paul Schulz" <dasfonk@w...> wrote:
> > Hi ringmod,
> > 
> > >please do not take this as a flame.
> > No problem with that, I am not inflammable ;-)
> > 
> > To clarify it, it was NOT my intention to disrespect neither the 
> *werks´ users nor the machines themself. Don´t take it personal. If 
> anyone feels hurt - sorry about that!!! 
> > 
> > Highest regards to anyone here who tries to make things move at 
> Doepfer. That´s the fantastic aspect about this group - having 
> influence on the manufacturer´s decisions. And much respect goes out 
> to ripe101 (and everybody else) who is willing to re-write 
> Schaltwerk´s code; now that is what I call a hardcore enthusiast :-) 
> Instead of getting alternative gear (if there´s something like this) 
> you try to hack the brain of this machine - wow!
> > 
> > Opinions may differ what is on- or off-topic, but as you 
> mentioned  "you have the ability to not read them if you wish." 
True, 

> true. Maybe I am a little too conservative in this point... (Gosh, 
> did I really describe myself as conservative? At my young age... ;-)
> > 
> > have a nice day, y´all
> > Paul
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

hi joe, well said .
regards,
RM

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> I remember feeling frustrated a while back because the group was 
> dominated by discussion of the touch controller. It didn't interest 
> me, so I felt left out. I even considered posting something to the 
> effect that the touch controller isn't an A100 module and shouldn't 
> be discussed so much, but thought better of it in the end.
> 
> Using the A100 in conjunction with other equipment is one of the 
> most fascinating aspects of modular systems to explore, in my mind. 
If 
> someone here produces great music by patching in external audio, or 
an 
> insert or pedal effect, or a controller, or another synth with CV 
> inputs, I love to hear about it! Lots of people use their modular 
> system strictly for processing external sources, rather than as a 
> synth. 
> 
> There's even one group member here who doesn't own any audio 
modules 
> at all - his A100 is dedicated to modulating his Waldorf Q. What a 
> great idea! It would be a shame if he had felt constrained not to 
> discuss it, we never would have heard about it.
> 
> I feel that anyone who is being creative, and using electronic 
music 
> gear in ways that the manufacturer never intended, is doing 
something 
> right. So if Dieter doesn't think that the Regelwerk is an 
extension 
> of the A100, then fine, I know something that he doesn't.
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ringmod45" <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> > hi paul, thanks for understanding. i seem to be the most vocal on 
> the 
> > issue. i did not take it personally, i was just trying to keep 
the 
> > doors open to discussion. if we close our minds, it won't help us 
in 
> > the long run. these machines do need an upgrade, in the future 
they 
> > might help you or other users with their A100 systems.
> > 
> > people are conservative only when they don't explore other 
avenues 
> of 
> > thought and simply fellow the normal mass culture way of doing 
> > things. thereby you having an A100 constitutes the exact opposite 
of 
> > convservative. keep exploring and enjoy life. thanks and cheers.
> > 
> > may the force be with you, :)
> > rm
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Paul Schulz" <dasfonk@w...> wrote:
> > > Hi ringmod,
> > > 
> > > >please do not take this as a flame.
> > > No problem with that, I am not inflammable ;-)
> > > 
> > > To clarify it, it was NOT my intention to disrespect neither 
the 
> > *werks´ users nor the machines themself. Don´t take it personal. 
If 
> > anyone feels hurt - sorry about that!!! 
> > > 
> > > Highest regards to anyone here who tries to make things move at 
> > Doepfer. That´s the fantastic aspect about this group - having 
> > influence on the manufacturer´s decisions. And much respect goes 
out 
> > to ripe101 (and everybody else) who is willing to re-write 
> > Schaltwerk´s code; now that is what I call a hardcore 
enthusiast :-) 
> > Instead of getting alternative gear (if there´s something like 
this) 
> > you try to hack the brain of this machine - wow!
> > > 
> > > Opinions may differ what is on- or off-topic, but as you 
> > mentioned  "you have the ability to not read them if you wish." 
> True, 
> > true. Maybe I am a little too conservative in this point... 
(Gosh, 
> > did I really describe myself as conservative? At my young 
age... ;-)

> > > 
> > > have a nice day, y´all
> > > Paul
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

hi paul,
that seems like to much trouble for an update...:-(
i don't know the OS of my a190...is there a way to see
it?
bakis.

--- Paul Schulz <dasfonk@web.de> wrote:
> Hi Bakis,
> 
> concerning the Schaltwerk list, check Message #1481
> posted by ripe.
> "Please join the schaltwerk list to discuss the
> schaltwerk further
> (newfeatures, code, etc) the schaltwerk list is
> here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dOePfErsChALtwERk  "
> 
> I don�t think the A-190 update can be done by MIDI.
> This would be a really
> comfortable way (and the cheapest, btw), but I
> rather suppose you�ll have to
> change the Eeprom (the large chip with 28 legs on
> the upper side of the
> large PCB). By the way, does anyone know which OS
> version is the recent one?
> My A-190 uses V1.4.
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Actually I find analog modulars a bit conservative in general since it is
basicly a retro thing and a purist idea "only real analog sounds good". But
the amount of unusual modules makes deopfer and the most recent crop of
modulars more innovative than ever before. Still we can't deny the fact that
VAs can do things no modular ever could and in a space that fits in modern
homes and not desolate castles with infite space. Speaking of new ways to
make sounds I think granular synthesis and VirtualModeling is just in their
cradles and the new Neuron from Hartman seem promising, hope one of you guys
with seemingly endless pockets buys one and shares some wisdom about it.

BTW I use my A100 and its vocoder with samples from my PC, not very
innovative but good none the less.

hi joe,
o.k.,....now it's the perfect moment for me to
say:TOLD YOU SO...that's why the pitch to cv/midi
converter module would be so important for many a100
users!imagine what it would be like to be able to
actually PLAY the a100 vco's with a violin or a guitar
or any other acoustic instrument...or,even better,have
the a100 vco's "play" non pitched sounds like
drums/percussion and go nuts!so...what do you say?is
the pitch to cv/gate/midi converter a very special
module or what? ;-)
bakis.
by the way...about the a100 processing other
instruments:i have 4 A119 modules, because i like to
be able to process my other synths with the a100
filters,waveshapers,ringmods,etc.for example,i have
created some very interesting sounds by having one of
my a155's connected to the highpass filter cv input
and the vco's cv input of my MS20...and that's
happening because the MS20 have different vco's from
the a100, so you get very different sounds...


--- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> I remember feeling frustrated a while back because
> the group was 
> dominated by discussion of the touch controller. It
> didn't interest 
> me, so I felt left out. I even considered posting
> something to the 
> effect that the touch controller isn't an A100
> module and shouldn't 
> be discussed so much, but thought better of it in
> the end.
> 
> Using the A100 in conjunction with other equipment
> is one of the 
> most fascinating aspects of modular systems to
> explore, in my mind. If 
> someone here produces great music by patching in
> external audio, or an 
> insert or pedal effect, or a controller, or another
> synth with CV 
> inputs, I love to hear about it! Lots of people use
> their modular 
> system strictly for processing external sources,
> rather than as a 
> synth. 
> 
> There's even one group member here who doesn't own
> any audio modules 
> at all - his A100 is dedicated to modulating his
> Waldorf Q. What a 
> great idea! It would be a shame if he had felt
> constrained not to 
> discuss it, we never would have heard about it.
> 
> I feel that anyone who is being creative, and using
> electronic music 
> gear in ways that the manufacturer never intended,
> is doing something 
> right. So if Dieter doesn't think that the Regelwerk
> is an extension 
> of the A100, then fine, I know something that he
> doesn't.
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ringmod45"
> <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> > hi paul, thanks for understanding. i seem to be
> the most vocal on 
> the 
> > issue. i did not take it personally, i was just
> trying to keep the 
> > doors open to discussion. if we close our minds,
> it won't help us in 
> > the long run. these machines do need an upgrade,
> in the future they 
> > might help you or other users with their A100
> systems.
> > 
> > people are conservative only when they don't
> explore other avenues 
> of 
> > thought and simply fellow the normal mass culture
> way of doing 
> > things. thereby you having an A100 constitutes the
> exact opposite of 
> > convservative. keep exploring and enjoy life.
> thanks and cheers.
> > 
> > may the force be with you, :)
> > rm
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Paul Schulz"
> <dasfonk@w...> wrote:
> > > Hi ringmod,
> > > 
> > > >please do not take this as a flame.
> > > No problem with that, I am not inflammable ;-)
> > > 
> > > To clarify it, it was NOT my intention to
> disrespect neither the 
> > *werks� users nor the machines themself. Don�t
> take it personal. If 
> > anyone feels hurt - sorry about that!!! 
> > > 
> > > Highest regards to anyone here who tries to make
> things move at 
> > Doepfer. That�s the fantastic aspect about this
> group - having 
> > influence on the manufacturer�s decisions. And
> much respect goes out 
> > to ripe101 (and everybody else) who is willing to
> re-write 
> > Schaltwerk�s code; now that is what I call a
> hardcore enthusiast :-) 
> > Instead of getting alternative gear (if there�s
> something like this) 
> > you try to hack the brain of this machine - wow!
> > > 
> > > Opinions may differ what is on- or off-topic,
> but as you 
> > mentioned  "you have the ability to not read them
> if you wish." 
> True, 
> > true. Maybe I am a little too conservative in this
> point... (Gosh, 
> > did I really describe myself as conservative? At
> my young age... ;-)
> > > 
> > > have a nice day, y�all
> > > Paul
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 


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Aside from Digital Ear and the other software converters, I think 
the only current production hardware is the guitar synth stuff from 
Roland, Yamaha and Axon. LVI in Canada (they make the Electrix 
stuff) used to license their Pitchrider technology (You might be 
able to find a Pitchrider 4000 on ebay) but they were never know 
for being terribly fast to respond. Axon claims to be the 
fastest using neural nets, haven't tried one and not sure they're 
actually still available. There was a rumor that the Digitech Vocalist 
would incorporate pitch-to-midi, since its basically already done in 
that box and just needs a midi out socket, but I don't think this ever 
happened.

I suspect it might be tough for Doepfer to develop a pitch-to-midi 
module, but perhaps if the requirements aren't so stringent as they 
are for other applications it might be possible to develop or license 
what's needed.

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm" <andreas.k.lindholm@t...> 
wrote:
> It's not a bad idea at all, in fact I tried some gear back in the 
80ies to
> allow me to whistle in my tunes, but I found them unrelieable and 
learned
> the piano instead. So perhaps things have improoved a lot but pitch 
to midi
> isn't an easy task to get done right so I suppose it would be a 
costly
> module. That's why I am doubtful cause I don't expect it to be as 
flawless
> as I'd like and cost to much. Anybody know of a good pitch to midi 
device

> that works realtime and not on old samples?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> 
> > users!imagine what it would be like to be able to
> > actually PLAY the a100 vco's with a violin or a guitar
> > or any other acoustic instrument...or,even better,have
> > the a100 vco's "play" non pitched sounds like
> > drums/percussion and go nuts!so...what do you say?is
> > the pitch to cv/gate/midi converter a very special
> > module or what? ;-)

It's not a bad idea at all, in fact I tried some gear back in the 80ies to
allow me to whistle in my tunes, but I found them unrelieable and learned
the piano instead. So perhaps things have improoved a lot but pitch to midi
isn't an easy task to get done right so I suppose it would be a costly
module. That's why I am doubtful cause I don't expect it to be as flawless
as I'd like and cost to much. Anybody know of a good pitch to midi device
that works realtime and not on old samples?

----- Original Message -----

From: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>

> users!imagine what it would be like to be able to
> actually PLAY the a100 vco's with a violin or a guitar
> or any other acoustic instrument...or,even better,have
> the a100 vco's "play" non pitched sounds like
> drums/percussion and go nuts!so...what do you say?is
> the pitch to cv/gate/midi converter a very special
> module or what? ;-)

hi bakis, precise pitch to cv is difficult to achieve. i like using 
the ms-20 pitch2cv for modifying drum loops or using the voltage for 
other vc effects. i can appreciate the fact that they are not 
precise, this gives whatever you are applying the voltage to a 
quirkiness which sometimes brings nice results and sometimes not. add 
to the fact the voltages in the ms-20 are linear, when you bring them 
into exponential machines you get wierd results. if you are using a 
scaling processor you could come up with different timbres and sounds 
when applying that voltage for fm or lin fm. the idea is to 
experiment, nothing is etched in stone , break the rules you might be 
rewarded with sounds or treatments that are unique.

 i can't begin to tell you how great the A112 module is. you can come 
up with some crazy sounds if you have at least 2 A112's. cross 
modulating them and mixing very slow lfo's in combination is a whole 
new avenue of sounds and throw in a little waveshaping and you're 
grooving. now add some pitch2cv from say a voice or use the voice 
through the A129/1 to control the vca with a slow lfo as the signal 
to modulate either or the A112's and you will get some different 
sounding timbres. avoid using filters with these sounds and try using 
waveshaping to give it an edge. phew.

now where's that analog multi step tracking generator a la matrix12 
that i have wanted forever in an analog modular format. hint, hint :)


happy modulating,
RM

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:

> hi andreas,
> i haven't try it yet,but my ms20 has a pitch to cv
> converter,and we're talking 1978,here...:-)
> bakis.
> 
> 
> --- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> wrote:
> > It's not a bad idea at all, in fact I tried some
> > gear back in the 80ies to
> > allow me to whistle in my tunes, but I found them
> > unrelieable and learned
> > the piano instead. So perhaps things have improoved
> > a lot but pitch to midi
> > isn't an easy task to get done right so I suppose it
> > would be a costly
> > module. That's why I am doubtful cause I don't
> > expect it to be as flawless
> > as I'd like and cost to much. Anybody know of a good
> > pitch to midi device
> > that works realtime and not on old samples?
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > 
> > > users!imagine what it would be like to be able to
> > > actually PLAY the a100 vco's with a violin or a
> > guitar
> > > or any other acoustic instrument...or,even
> > better,have
> > > the a100 vco's "play" non pitched sounds like
> > > drums/percussion and go nuts!so...what do you
> > say?is
> > > the pitch to cv/gate/midi converter a very special
> > > module or what? ;-)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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hi andreas,
i haven't try it yet,but my ms20 has a pitch to cv
converter,and we're talking 1978,here...:-)
bakis.


--- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com>
wrote:
> It's not a bad idea at all, in fact I tried some
> gear back in the 80ies to
> allow me to whistle in my tunes, but I found them
> unrelieable and learned
> the piano instead. So perhaps things have improoved
> a lot but pitch to midi
> isn't an easy task to get done right so I suppose it
> would be a costly
> module. That's why I am doubtful cause I don't
> expect it to be as flawless
> as I'd like and cost to much. Anybody know of a good
> pitch to midi device
> that works realtime and not on old samples?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> 
> > users!imagine what it would be like to be able to
> > actually PLAY the a100 vco's with a violin or a
> guitar
> > or any other acoustic instrument...or,even
> better,have
> > the a100 vco's "play" non pitched sounds like
> > drums/percussion and go nuts!so...what do you
> say?is
> > the pitch to cv/gate/midi converter a very special
> > module or what? ;-)
> 
> 
> 


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--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ringmod45" <ringmod45@y...> wrote:

> 
> now where's that analog multi step tracking generator a la 
matrix12 
> that i have wanted forever in an analog modular format. hint, 
hint :)


maybe +?

http://www.musicsynthesizer.com/DIY/Grant/CVtwister.html

pe

> large PCB). By the way, does anyone know which OS version is the
recent one?
> My A-190 uses V1.4.

I have "v1.5" on mine - bought around last Sept/Oct time.

Tim

[The views expressed above are entirely those of the writer and do not
represent the views, policy or understanding of any other person or
official body.]

Just got my AS basic system. For you Bakis, there is a pitch to cv converter
in the catalog, though not in my system. You know you can get AS modules and
run them in doepfer rack. Well I was really just going to write if there is
one thing really missing in the A100 it is the active cvbuffer that in AS,
so useful! And of course the shapevariation on the SAW that really kicks
ass! I also find the AS a bit moogier and fatter than the A100, but that
might have something to with the fact that I only have a-122 vcf3 in my
a100. Finally it is a nice touche with colored inputs and colored cables.

That that, just some impressions