Doepfer

I'm pretty new on synth world. I've just had one synth so far - a Moog Little Phatty - and 
I've managed to tweak that baby A LOT. Sweet phat analog sounding. Loved it! But... the LP 
is a 'solo' synth. 

I'm more into 'sound design' and create ambiences, and of course that the LP is not the 
best choice for it. I purchased the Moog LP to introduce myself to the synth world. I've 
learned a lot of the basics, and I think i've tweaked the synth the best I could. 

The thing is: I want more, and to different stuff. Haven't I said this already?   

- 

I'm thinking about getting a modular synth. The reasons are pretty obvious. We can do A 
LOT of stuff with a modular, and we can increase the potentiality of it by adding more 
modules. It's a lifetime buy that never ends. 

But the thing is: I don't know nothing about modular synths, and only had the opportunity 
to play with one just for a few minutes. I think I've ran dozens of music stores here in 
Portugal, and I can't seem to find one with modular synths. So I just have one option: word 
of mouth and buy elsewhere.

Doepfer synths seemed a great choice, and this is the reason why I am here!

The thing is, I know nothing about modular synths modules, and the best way to learn 
things is to try them.


I was on Doepfer website and saw three different 'ready' systems (Basic 1, Basic 2 and 
Mini), and even though they seem great buys I would like something more on a budget 
just to start out, and with buy I'll buy more modules. Do you think this is a good option, or 
I really need to start out with a complete system?


Imagine that I want a synth that tries to recreate the kind of "music" that Alva Noto does. 
What modules would you advise me? I know this may sound silly, but I don't really want to 
spend 1000 or 2000 euros on something that I can't take enough juice from. I want to 
start with something real basic and on-a-budget, and then buy more and more modules.


Thank you very much for the help!


Cheers!

I am a bit confused by your mail. I've heard several Alvo Noto records and it seems to me he uses almost entirely digital clicking noises, I really think a sampler or computer based editor is a better choice of instrument for that soundworld... maybe a nord micro? an analogue modular could probably be coaxed to do something similar - especially the logic modules - but is one damned expensive way to make such simple and basic, and ultimately digital sounds...



Richard

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: stuzender 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:21 AM
  Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Introducing modular synths | Really need some help!


  I'm pretty new on synth world. I've just had one synth so far - a Moog Little Phatty - and 
  I've managed to tweak that baby A LOT. Sweet phat analog sounding. Loved it! But... the LP 
  is a 'solo' synth. 

  I'm more into 'sound design' and create ambiences, and of course that the LP is not the 
  best choice for it. I purchased the Moog LP to introduce myself to the synth world. I've 
  learned a lot of the basics, and I think i've tweaked the synth the best I could. 

  The thing is: I want more, and to different stuff. Haven't I said this already? 

  - 

  I'm thinking about getting a modular synth. The reasons are pretty obvious. We can do A 
  LOT of stuff with a modular, and we can increase the potentiality of it by adding more 
  modules. It's a lifetime buy that never ends. 

  But the thing is: I don't know nothing about modular synths, and only had the opportunity 
  to play with one just for a few minutes. I think I've ran dozens of music stores here in 
  Portugal, and I can't seem to find one with modular synths. So I just have one option: word 
  of mouth and buy elsewhere.

  Doepfer synths seemed a great choice, and this is the reason why I am here!

  The thing is, I know nothing about modular synths modules, and the best way to learn 
  things is to try them.

  I was on Doepfer website and saw three different 'ready' systems (Basic 1, Basic 2 and 
  Mini), and even though they seem great buys I would like something more on a budget 
  just to start out, and with buy I'll buy more modules. Do you think this is a good option, or 
  I really need to start out with a complete system?

  Imagine that I want a synth that tries to recreate the kind of "music" that Alva Noto does. 
  What modules would you advise me? I know this may sound silly, but I don't really want to 
  spend 1000 or 2000 euros on something that I can't take enough juice from. I want to 
  start with something real basic and on-a-budget, and then buy more and more modules.

  Thank you very much for the help!

  Cheers!



   

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Hi Richard, indeed he uses some computers, yet the sound is also pretty analog. Check out 
this video where you can some SOME of the gear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=BdUIqx60vRY


Cheers!


P.S. - of course that I don't want to make music like Alva Noto, but since I had to start 
somewhere giving some examples he was one of the first names I remembered. I'm 
looking for a synth to create ambiences, and create "not so common" sounds. I don't really 
know if a modular is right for me...


Thanks!



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott" <richard_scott@...> wrote:
>
> I am a bit confused by your mail. I've heard several Alvo Noto records and it seems to 
me he uses almost entirely digital clicking noises, I really think a sampler or computer 
based editor is a better choice of instrument for that soundworld... maybe a nord micro? 
an analogue modular could probably be coaxed to do something similar - especially the 
logic modules - but is one damned expensive way to make such simple and basic, and 
ultimately digital sounds...
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: stuzender 
>   To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:21 AM
>   Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Introducing modular synths | Really need some help!
> 
> 
>   I'm pretty new on synth world. I've just had one synth so far - a Moog Little Phatty - 
and 
>   I've managed to tweak that baby A LOT. Sweet phat analog sounding. Loved it! But... 
the LP 
>   is a 'solo' synth. 
> 
>   I'm more into 'sound design' and create ambiences, and of course that the LP is not the 
>   best choice for it. I purchased the Moog LP to introduce myself to the synth world. I've 
>   learned a lot of the basics, and I think i've tweaked the synth the best I could. 
> 
>   The thing is: I want more, and to different stuff. Haven't I said this already? 
> 
>   - 
> 
>   I'm thinking about getting a modular synth. The reasons are pretty obvious. We can do 
A 
>   LOT of stuff with a modular, and we can increase the potentiality of it by adding more 
>   modules. It's a lifetime buy that never ends. 
> 
>   But the thing is: I don't know nothing about modular synths, and only had the 
opportunity 
>   to play with one just for a few minutes. I think I've ran dozens of music stores here in 
>   Portugal, and I can't seem to find one with modular synths. So I just have one option: 
word 
>   of mouth and buy elsewhere.
> 
>   Doepfer synths seemed a great choice, and this is the reason why I am here!
> 
>   The thing is, I know nothing about modular synths modules, and the best way to learn 
>   things is to try them.
> 
>   I was on Doepfer website and saw three different 'ready' systems (Basic 1, Basic 2 and 
>   Mini), and even though they seem great buys I would like something more on a budget 
>   just to start out, and with buy I'll buy more modules. Do you think this is a good 
option, or 
>   I really need to start out with a complete system?
> 
>   Imagine that I want a synth that tries to recreate the kind of "music" that Alva Noto 
does. 
>   What modules would you advise me? I know this may sound silly, but I don't really want 
to 
>   spend 1000 or 2000 euros on something that I can't take enough juice from. I want to 
>   start with something real basic and on-a-budget, and then buy more and more 
modules.

> 
>   Thank you very much for the help!
> 
>   Cheers!
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
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Tell me... what the advantages and disadvantages of modulars regarding 'normal synths'? 
What are they best for? 

Cheers!



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi
> 
> His guy uses quite simple analogue sounds, which can be produced with a 
> little phatty too, as samples for computer constructed music. The music 
> creation itself has nothing to do with the analogue synthesizers. You 
> could do similar stuff with a MIDI sequencer, a large MIDI/CV interface, 
> anbd a large modular system. But for sure not for the price of a note 
> book, ableton live and a average audio interface. If you want to do this 
> music, then go the computer way.
> 
> Florian
> 
> 
> 
> stuzender wrote:
> 
> > Hi Richard, indeed he uses some computers, yet the sound is also pretty analog. 
Check out 
> > this video where you can some SOME of the gear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?
> > v=BdUIqx60vRY
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers!
> > 
> > 
> > P.S. - of course that I don't want to make music like Alva Noto, but since I had to start 
> > somewhere giving some examples he was one of the first names I remembered. I'm 
> > looking for a synth to create ambiences, and create "not so common" sounds. I don't 
really 
> > know if a modular is right for me...
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott" <richard_scott@> wrote:
> > 
> >>I am a bit confused by your mail. I've heard several Alvo Noto records and it seems to 
> > 
> > me he uses almost entirely digital clicking noises, I really think a sampler or computer 
> > based editor is a better choice of instrument for that soundworld... maybe a nord 
micro? 
> > an analogue modular could probably be coaxed to do something similar - especially 
the 
> > logic modules - but is one damned expensive way to make such simple and basic, and 
> > ultimately digital sounds...
> > 
> >>
> >>
> >>Richard
> >>
> >>  ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>  From: stuzender 
> >>  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
> >>  Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:21 AM
> >>  Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Introducing modular synths | Really need some help!
> >>
> >>
> >>  I'm pretty new on synth world. I've just had one synth so far - a Moog Little Phatty - 
> > 
> > and 
> > 
> >>  I've managed to tweak that baby A LOT. Sweet phat analog sounding. Loved it! But... 
> > 
> > the LP 
> > 
> >>  is a 'solo' synth. 
> >>
> >>  I'm more into 'sound design' and create ambiences, and of course that the LP is not 
the 
> >>  best choice for it. I purchased the Moog LP to introduce myself to the synth world. 
I've 
> >>  learned a lot of the basics, and I think i've tweaked the synth the best I could. 
> >>
> >>  The thing is: I want more, and to different stuff. Haven't I said this already? 
> >>
> >>  - 
> >>
> >>  I'm thinking about getting a modular synth. The reasons are pretty obvious. We can 
do 
> > 
> > A 
> > 
> >>  LOT of stuff with a modular, and we can increase the potentiality of it by adding 
more 
> >>  modules. It's a lifetime buy that never ends. 
> >>
> >>  But the thing is: I don't know nothing about modular synths, and only had the 
> > 
> > opportunity 
> > 
> >>  to play with one just for a few minutes. I think I've ran dozens of music stores here 
in 
> >>  Portugal, and I can't seem to find one with modular synths. So I just have one 
option: 
> > 
> > word 
> > 
> >>  of mouth and buy elsewhere.
> >>
> >>  Doepfer synths seemed a great choice, and this is the reason why I am here!
> >>
> >>  The thing is, I know nothing about modular synths modules, and the best way to 
learn 
> >>  things is to try them.
> >>
> >>  I was on Doepfer website and saw three different 'ready' systems (Basic 1, Basic 2 
and 
> >>  Mini), and even though they seem great buys I would like something more on a 
budget 
> >>  just to start out, and with buy I'll buy more modules. Do you think this is a good 
> > 
> > option, or 
> > 
> >>  I really need to start out with a complete system?
> >>
> >>  Imagine that I want a synth that tries to recreate the kind of "music" that Alva Noto 
> > 
> > does. 
> > 
> >>  What modules would you advise me? I know this may sound silly, but I don't really 
want 
> > 
> > to 
> > 
> >>  spend 1000 or 2000 euros on something that I can't take enough juice from. I want 
to 

> >>  start with something real basic and on-a-budget, and then buy more and more 
> > 
> > modules.
> > 
> >>  Thank you very much for the help!
> >>
> >>  Cheers!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   
> >>
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>

Hi

His guy uses quite simple analogue sounds, which can be produced with a 
little phatty too, as samples for computer constructed music. The music 
creation itself has nothing to do with the analogue synthesizers. You 
could do similar stuff with a MIDI sequencer, a large MIDI/CV interface, 
anbd a large modular system. But for sure not for the price of a note 
book, ableton live and a average audio interface. If you want to do this 
music, then go the computer way.

Florian



stuzender wrote:

> Hi Richard, indeed he uses some computers, yet the sound is also pretty analog. Check out 
> this video where you can some SOME of the gear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?
> v=BdUIqx60vRY
> 
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> 
> P.S. - of course that I don't want to make music like Alva Noto, but since I had to start 
> somewhere giving some examples he was one of the first names I remembered. I'm 
> looking for a synth to create ambiences, and create "not so common" sounds. I don't really 
> know if a modular is right for me...
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott" <richard_scott@...> wrote:
> 
>>I am a bit confused by your mail. I've heard several Alvo Noto records and it seems to 
> 
> me he uses almost entirely digital clicking noises, I really think a sampler or computer 
> based editor is a better choice of instrument for that soundworld... maybe a nord micro? 
> an analogue modular could probably be coaxed to do something similar - especially the 
> logic modules - but is one damned expensive way to make such simple and basic, and 
> ultimately digital sounds...
> 
>>
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: stuzender 
>>  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
>>  Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:21 AM
>>  Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Introducing modular synths | Really need some help!
>>
>>
>>  I'm pretty new on synth world. I've just had one synth so far - a Moog Little Phatty - 
> 
> and 
> 
>>  I've managed to tweak that baby A LOT. Sweet phat analog sounding. Loved it! But... 
> 
> the LP 
> 
>>  is a 'solo' synth. 
>>
>>  I'm more into 'sound design' and create ambiences, and of course that the LP is not the 
>>  best choice for it. I purchased the Moog LP to introduce myself to the synth world. I've 
>>  learned a lot of the basics, and I think i've tweaked the synth the best I could. 
>>
>>  The thing is: I want more, and to different stuff. Haven't I said this already? 
>>
>>  - 
>>
>>  I'm thinking about getting a modular synth. The reasons are pretty obvious. We can do 
> 
> A 
> 
>>  LOT of stuff with a modular, and we can increase the potentiality of it by adding more 
>>  modules. It's a lifetime buy that never ends. 
>>
>>  But the thing is: I don't know nothing about modular synths, and only had the 
> 
> opportunity 
> 
>>  to play with one just for a few minutes. I think I've ran dozens of music stores here in 
>>  Portugal, and I can't seem to find one with modular synths. So I just have one option: 
> 
> word 
> 
>>  of mouth and buy elsewhere.
>>
>>  Doepfer synths seemed a great choice, and this is the reason why I am here!
>>
>>  The thing is, I know nothing about modular synths modules, and the best way to learn 
>>  things is to try them.
>>
>>  I was on Doepfer website and saw three different 'ready' systems (Basic 1, Basic 2 and 
>>  Mini), and even though they seem great buys I would like something more on a budget 
>>  just to start out, and with buy I'll buy more modules. Do you think this is a good 
> 
> option, or 
> 
>>  I really need to start out with a complete system?
>>
>>  Imagine that I want a synth that tries to recreate the kind of "music" that Alva Noto 
> 
> does. 
> 
>>  What modules would you advise me? I know this may sound silly, but I don't really want 
> 
> to 
> 
>>  spend 1000 or 2000 euros on something that I can't take enough juice from. I want to 
>>  start with something real basic and on-a-budget, and then buy more and more 
> 
> modules.
> 
>>  Thank you very much for the help!
>>
>>  Cheers!
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>
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>>It has removed 268 spam emails to date.
>>Paying users do not have this message in their emails.
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>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
>

Hi

> Tell me... what the advantages and disadvantages of modulars regarding 'normal synths'? 
> What are they best for? 

Disadvantage: with a modular synth you have to build your own synth.
Advantage: with a modular synth you can build your own synth.
Using a modular synth requires that you already know about how a synth 
is working. But then you will be able to build the synth you want 
instead of the synth that Moog Music wanted.



But I think you (as many other poeple) are missing one aspect: The 
influence of a musical instrument on the player consists by 30 percent 
from the sound making part (the knobs and electronics in your Moog-LP) 
and by 70 percent of the user interface for creating notes (the keyboard 
of your Moog LP). If you complain about the LP, because it makes you 
play solo melodies - its the keyboard, not the synth section.

A modular synth which can be played only by a keyboard will be again 
mostly a solo melody synth under your hands. If you have a look at the 
video of this berlin guy, you will see, that his EMS-synth does not have 
keyboard. This makes him to create non melodic sounds. You for sure cyou 
ould do 80 to 90 percent of the EMS sounds with a little phatty, but the 
userinterface will make you always play melodies.

Florian

Florian,
 
That is an astute observation.
 
I stopped using a keyboard with my modular (with a few exceptions) a
long time ago.
 
These days it's driven by sequencers, ribbon controller, joysticks,
Theremin controller and occasionally via my 184 keyboard.
 
I don't even use the midi interface anymore as I found that all I was
doing was transferring the melodic structures from one instrument to
another.
 
david
 
 
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Senior Consultant
PSG 

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On Behalf Of Florian Anwander
Sent: 31 January 2008 10:45
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Introducing modular synths | Really need
some help!



Hi

> Tell me... what the advantages and disadvantages of modulars regarding
'normal synths'? 
> What are they best for? 

Disadvantage: with a modular synth you have to build your own synth.
Advantage: with a modular synth you can build your own synth.
Using a modular synth requires that you already know about how a synth 
is working. But then you will be able to build the synth you want 
instead of the synth that Moog Music wanted.

But I think you (as many other poeple) are missing one aspect: The 
influence of a musical instrument on the player consists by 30 percent 
from the sound making part (the knobs and electronics in your Moog-LP) 
and by 70 percent of the user interface for creating notes (the keyboard

of your Moog LP). If you complain about the LP, because it makes you 
play solo melodies - its the keyboard, not the synth section.

A modular synth which can be played only by a keyboard will be again 
mostly a solo melody synth under your hands. If you have a look at the 
video of this berlin guy, you will see, that his EMS-synth does not have

keyboard. This makes him to create non melodic sounds. You for sure cyou

ould do 80 to 90 percent of the EMS sounds with a little phatty, but the

userinterface will make you always play melodies.

Florian


 


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Quoting Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>:

> But for sure not for the price of a
> note 
> book, ableton live and a average audio interface. If you want to do 
> this 
> music, then go the computer way.

I agree. For someone on a 1500 euro budget there are better choices than a modular.
Immanuel

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