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Adding a CV jack and attenuator to an existing variable function?

2008-03-11 by David Salter

In my quest to get some more effects into my modular - this will mostly
sit mid patch not just at the end - I was wondering if anyone can help
me.
 
I have been looking at the ACE 16V effects chip, supplied by Cliff in
the UK. This is a simple device with 16 effect algorithms; 6 fixed
reverbs and 10 effects covering reverb, delay, chorus and flange with a
single variation adjusted by a pot. Ideally if I build this I would like
the variation to be under CV control.
 
The variation varies from effect to effect some acting in a linear
fashion and some with 100 log steps so I appreciate that a CV would
cause jumps on some of these functions but I'm willing to try it and see
what it sounds like.
 
However I'm not sure how to add the CV to it. any simple suggestions? it
would be nice to have a depth attenuator as well as a CV socket.
 
many thanks
 
David
 
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PSG 

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Re: Adding a CV jack and attenuator to an existing variable function?

2008-03-11 by Adam-V

Hi David,

Sounds to me like this could be the ideal job for a vactrol. You would
use the vactrol in place of the pot. Unfortunately I can't help with
any circuit details but I reckon there will be plenty of vactrol
circuits floating around the net.

Cheers,
Adam-V
--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, David Salter <david.salter@...>
wrote:
>
> In my quest to get some more effects into my modular - this will mostly
> sit mid patch not just at the end - I was wondering if anyone can help
> me.
>  
> I have been looking at the ACE 16V effects chip, supplied by Cliff in
> the UK. This is a simple device with 16 effect algorithms; 6 fixed
> reverbs and 10 effects covering reverb, delay, chorus and flange with a
> single variation adjusted by a pot. Ideally if I build this I would like
> the variation to be under CV control.
>  
> The variation varies from effect to effect some acting in a linear
> fashion and some with 100 log steps so I appreciate that a CV would
> cause jumps on some of these functions but I'm willing to try it and see
> what it sounds like.
>  
> However I'm not sure how to add the CV to it. any simple suggestions? it
> would be nice to have a depth attenuator as well as a CV socket.
>  
> many thanks
>  
> David
>  
> David Salter
> Senior Consultant
> PSG 
> 
> Reuters Messaging: david.salter.reuters.com@...
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RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Adding a CV jack and attenuator to an existing variable function?

2008-03-12 by David Salter

Good idea Adam, 
 
I'll have a look around. Thanks
 
david
 
David Salter
Senior Consultant
PSG 

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From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Adam-V
Sent: 12 March 2008 00:08
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Adding a CV jack and attenuator to an
existing variable function?



Hi David,

Sounds to me like this could be the ideal job for a vactrol. You would
use the vactrol in place of the pot. Unfortunately I can't help with
any circuit details but I reckon there will be plenty of vactrol
circuits floating around the net.

Cheers,
Adam-V
--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> , David Salter
<david.salter@...>
wrote:
>
> In my quest to get some more effects into my modular - this will
mostly
> sit mid patch not just at the end - I was wondering if anyone can help
> me.
> 
> I have been looking at the ACE 16V effects chip, supplied by Cliff in
> the UK. This is a simple device with 16 effect algorithms; 6 fixed
> reverbs and 10 effects covering reverb, delay, chorus and flange with
a
> single variation adjusted by a pot. Ideally if I build this I would
like
> the variation to be under CV control.
> 
> The variation varies from effect to effect some acting in a linear
> fashion and some with 100 log steps so I appreciate that a CV would
> cause jumps on some of these functions but I'm willing to try it and
see
> what it sounds like.
> 
> However I'm not sure how to add the CV to it. any simple suggestions?
it
> would be nice to have a depth attenuator as well as a CV socket.
> 
> many thanks
> 
> David
> 
> David Salter
> Senior Consultant
> PSG 
> 
> Reuters Messaging: david.salter.reuters.com@...
> (t) +44 (0)20 7542 2402 | (m) 07990562402 | (f) 52699 
> 
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RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Adding a CV jack and attenuator to an existing variable function?

2008-03-12 by Anthony Rolando

Voltage Controlled Resistor using the LM13700. CHeck out that chip's Data Sheet from National for details.

Tony

> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> From: david.salter@reuters.com
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:54:46 +0000
> Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Adding a CV jack and attenuator to an existing    variable function?
> 
> Good idea Adam, 
>  
> I'll have a look around. Thanks
>  
> david
>  
> David Salter
> Senior Consultant
> PSG 
> 
> Reuters Messaging: david.salter.reuters.com@reuters.net
> (t) +44 (0)20 7542 2402 | (m) 07990562402 | (f) 52699 
> 
> Get the latest news at Reuters.com <http://www.reuters.com/> 
> 
>  
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Adam-V
> Sent: 12 March 2008 00:08
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Adding a CV jack and attenuator to an
> existing variable function?
> 
> 
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Sounds to me like this could be the ideal job for a vactrol. You would
> use the vactrol in place of the pot. Unfortunately I can't help with
> any circuit details but I reckon there will be plenty of vactrol
> circuits floating around the net.
> 
> Cheers,
> Adam-V
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> , David Salter
> <david.salter@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > In my quest to get some more effects into my modular - this will
> mostly
> > sit mid patch not just at the end - I was wondering if anyone can help
> > me.
> > 
> > I have been looking at the ACE 16V effects chip, supplied by Cliff in
> > the UK. This is a simple device with 16 effect algorithms; 6 fixed
> > reverbs and 10 effects covering reverb, delay, chorus and flange with
> a
> > single variation adjusted by a pot. Ideally if I build this I would
> like
> > the variation to be under CV control.
> > 
> > The variation varies from effect to effect some acting in a linear
> > fashion and some with 100 log steps so I appreciate that a CV would
> > cause jumps on some of these functions but I'm willing to try it and
> see
> > what it sounds like.
> > 
> > However I'm not sure how to add the CV to it. any simple suggestions?
> it
> > would be nice to have a depth attenuator as well as a CV socket.
> > 
> > many thanks
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > David Salter
> > Senior Consultant
> > PSG 
> > 
> > Reuters Messaging: david.salter.reuters.com@...
> > (t) +44 (0)20 7542 2402 | (m) 07990562402 | (f) 52699 
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RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Adding a CV jack and attenuator to an existing variable function?

2008-03-12 by David Salter

Cheers Tony, will do.
 
david
 
David Salter
Senior Consultant
PSG 

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On Behalf Of Anthony Rolando
Sent: 12 March 2008 12:13
To: doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Adding a CV jack and attenuator to an
existing variable function?




Voltage Controlled Resistor using the LM13700. CHeck out that chip's
Data Sheet from National for details.

Tony

> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> 
> From: david.salter@reuters.com <mailto:david.salter%40reuters.com> 
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:54:46 +0000
> Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Adding a CV jack and attenuator to an
existing variable function?
> 
> Good idea Adam, 
> 
> I'll have a look around. Thanks
> 
> david
> 
> David Salter
> Senior Consultant
> PSG 
> 
> Reuters Messaging: david.salter.reuters.com@reuters.net
<mailto:david.salter.reuters.com%40reuters.net> 
> (t) +44 (0)20 7542 2402 | (m) 07990562402 | (f) 52699 
> 
> Get the latest news at Reuters.com <http://www.reuters.com/
<http://www.reuters.com/> > 
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> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of Adam-V
> Sent: 12 March 2008 00:08
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Adding a CV jack and attenuator to an
> existing variable function?
> 
> 
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Sounds to me like this could be the ideal job for a vactrol. You would
> use the vactrol in place of the pot. Unfortunately I can't help with
> any circuit details but I reckon there will be plenty of vactrol
> circuits floating around the net.
> 
> Cheers,
> Adam-V
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> , David Salter
> <david.salter@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > In my quest to get some more effects into my modular - this will
> mostly
> > sit mid patch not just at the end - I was wondering if anyone can
help
> > me.
> > 
> > I have been looking at the ACE 16V effects chip, supplied by Cliff
in
> > the UK. This is a simple device with 16 effect algorithms; 6 fixed
> > reverbs and 10 effects covering reverb, delay, chorus and flange
with
> a
> > single variation adjusted by a pot. Ideally if I build this I would
> like
> > the variation to be under CV control.
> > 
> > The variation varies from effect to effect some acting in a linear
> > fashion and some with 100 log steps so I appreciate that a CV would
> > cause jumps on some of these functions but I'm willing to try it and
> see
> > what it sounds like.
> > 
> > However I'm not sure how to add the CV to it. any simple
suggestions?
> it
> > would be nice to have a depth attenuator as well as a CV socket.
> > 
> > many thanks
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > David Salter
> > Senior Consultant
> > PSG 
> > 
> > Reuters Messaging: david.salter.reuters.com@...
> > (t) +44 (0)20 7542 2402 | (m) 07990562402 | (f) 52699 
> > 
> > Get the latest news at Reuters.com <http://www.reuters.com/
<http://www.reuters.com/> 
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AW: [Doepfer_a100] Adding a CV jack and attenuator to an existing variable function?

2008-03-17 by hardware@doepfer.de

> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von David Salter
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Marz 2008 18:07
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Adding a CV jack and attenuator to an existing
> variable function?
>
>
> In my quest to get some more effects into my modular - this will mostly
> sit mid patch not just at the end - I was wondering if anyone can help
> me.
>
> I have been looking at the ACE 16V effects chip, supplied by Cliff in
> the UK. This is a simple device with 16 effect algorithms; 6 fixed
> reverbs and 10 effects covering reverb, delay, chorus and flange with a
> single variation adjusted by a pot. Ideally if I build this I would like
> the variation to be under CV control.
>
> The variation varies from effect to effect some acting in a linear
> fashion and some with 100 log steps so I appreciate that a CV would
> cause jumps on some of these functions but I'm willing to try it and see
> what it sounds like.
>
> However I'm not sure how to add the CV to it. any simple suggestions? it
> would be nice to have a depth attenuator as well as a CV socket.
>
> many thanks
>
> David

We have several DSP effect boards in the company to try out the usability
within the A-100. Even the ACE 16V is among these units. Christian is about
to "torture" the boards to find out how they behave under analog control. We
found that many of these boards are useless for analog control because of
the artefacts or mutes caused during the alteration of parameters. I'll have
to ask him how the ACE 16V behaves. The analog control is simple: you have
to generate a voltage in the range ~ +0.1 to + 3.9 V and connect the voltage
to pin 12 of the ACE 16V. You have to pay attention that the voltage applied
to the pin 12 does not become negative or go beyond +5V. Otherwise the ACE
16V will be destroyed! A suitable protection circuit has to be added as the
voltages coming from A-100 modules are not limited to this voltage range.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

RE: [Doepfer_a100] Adding a CV jack and attenuator to an existing variable function?

2008-03-17 by David Salter

Thanks Dieter,
 
I'd be interested in Christian's findings - especially as some of the
parameters change in a stepped log way.
 
Best wishes
 
David
 
David Salter
Senior Consultant
PSG 

Reuters Messaging: david.salter.reuters.com@reuters.net
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<mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> 
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> ]Im Auftrag von David Salter
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Marz 2008 18:07
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Adding a CV jack and attenuator to an existing
> variable function?
>
>
> In my quest to get some more effects into my modular - this will
mostly
> sit mid patch not just at the end - I was wondering if anyone can help
> me.
>
> I have been looking at the ACE 16V effects chip, supplied by Cliff in
> the UK. This is a simple device with 16 effect algorithms; 6 fixed
> reverbs and 10 effects covering reverb, delay, chorus and flange with
a
> single variation adjusted by a pot. Ideally if I build this I would
like
> the variation to be under CV control.
>
> The variation varies from effect to effect some acting in a linear
> fashion and some with 100 log steps so I appreciate that a CV would
> cause jumps on some of these functions but I'm willing to try it and
see
> what it sounds like.
>
> However I'm not sure how to add the CV to it. any simple suggestions?
it
> would be nice to have a depth attenuator as well as a CV socket.
>
> many thanks
>
> David

We have several DSP effect boards in the company to try out the
usability
within the A-100. Even the ACE 16V is among these units. Christian is
about
to "torture" the boards to find out how they behave under analog
control. We
found that many of these boards are useless for analog control because
of
the artefacts or mutes caused during the alteration of parameters. I'll
have
to ask him how the ACE 16V behaves. The analog control is simple: you
have
to generate a voltage in the range ~ +0.1 to + 3.9 V and connect the
voltage
to pin 12 of the ACE 16V. You have to pay attention that the voltage
applied
to the pin 12 does not become negative or go beyond +5V. Otherwise the
ACE
16V will be destroyed! A suitable protection circuit has to be added as
the
voltages coming from A-100 modules are not limited to this voltage
range.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer



 


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