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A-100 filters and guitar signals/fx a-119,a-138cfx etc

A-100 filters and guitar signals/fx a-119,a-138cfx etc

2008-08-20 by Chidra_100@iinet.net.au

Hi all, In experiment mode this week;

*Ive been tinkering with my guitars and effects pedals via send / mix  
module, ext input and midi input modules-

Does anybody have any good advice for running either specific modules/ 
filter that actually compliment distorted inputs?
(or even clean inputs, duplicate mixes distorted later in patch via fx  
send or something.)

Or any tips on running "chasing" patches that use eg. the envelope  
generator + gate to create an intune/sync in response to the guitar  
rythm?
I don't have any min/max modules, would getting those types be on the  
right track?

(if its even possible to sync up good)

To be honest i only have horrible sounds coming out :(

Almost about to hang up the axe :o

Re: [Doepfer_a100] A-100 filters and guitar signals/fx a-119,a-138cfx etc

2008-08-20 by Chidra_100@iinet.net.au

Great advice, just reaching out in case there was a specific trick to  
it.
What you said makes sense, and is very helpful,

  thanks.

:)




On 20/08/2008, at 8:03 PM, Florian Anwander wrote:

> Hi
>
> there are two rules:
>
> rule #1: Distortion adds overtones to signals. So if you have  
> already a
> signal which is very bright (=has many overtones), then the distortion
> won't add significant and interesting changes, but will add only  
> noise.
> So use the neck pickup, do not distort the original signal, then use  
> the
> A-136 as distortion (the A-137 is quite soon over the top with an  
> guitar).
> Do not modulate the distortion itself; instead modulate the signals
> amplitude which is sent to the distortion.
>
> rule #2: playing guitarsynths (or guitar through synths) requires a
> style of guitar playing which is 1000% the opposite of rock'n'roll.  
> You
> have to play very "controlled". Especially you have to provide  
> dedicated
> string damping, if you want to trigger envelopes.
>
> To my opinion the usage of gates and triggered envelopes does not make
> much sense in combination with a guitar. If you want timed events like
> triggers for the guitar sound, then take them from an external
> triggersource like a sequencer or a rythm machine.
> It is very difficult for a machine to sync to a human beeing,  
> whilest a
> human beeing usually has no deeper problems with syncing its timing  
> to a
> machine (ok,... one single exception: drummers ;-)) )
>
> I recently found a very nice example for this principle of
> humans-sync-better-to-machines in the demo videos of the new SL-20  
> from
> Boss:
> http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/SL-20/index.html
> http://www.roland.com/demos/en/i0068/index.html
>
> Florian
>
> Chidra_100@iinet.net.au wrote:
>
> > Hi all, In experiment mode this week;
> >
> > *Ive been tinkering with my guitars and effects pedals via send /  
> mix
> > module, ext input and midi input modules-
> >
> > Does anybody have any good advice for running either specific  
> modules/
> > filter that actually compliment distorted inputs?
> > (or even clean inputs, duplicate mixes distorted later in patch  
> via fx
> > send or something.)
> >
> > Or any tips on running "chasing" patches that use eg. the envelope
> > generator + gate to create an intune/sync in response to the guitar
> > rythm?
> > I don't have any min/max modules, would getting those types be on  
> the
> > right track?
> >
> > (if its even possible to sync up good)
> >
> > To be honest i only have horrible sounds coming out :(
> >
> > Almost about to hang up the axe :o
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> Florian Anwander |ConSol*
> Tel. +49(89)45841-133 |Consulting&Solutions Software GmbH
> Fax +49(89)45841-111 |Franziskanerstr. 38, D-81669 München
> email: florian.anwander@consol.de |http://www.consol.de
>
> 



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Re: [Doepfer_a100] A-100 filters and guitar signals/fx a-119,a-138cfx etc

2008-08-20 by Florian Anwander

Hi

there are two rules:

rule #1: Distortion adds overtones to signals. So if you have already a 
signal which is very bright (=has many overtones), then the distortion 
won't add significant and interesting changes, but will add only noise.
So use the neck pickup, do not distort the original signal, then use the 
A-136 as distortion (the A-137 is quite soon over the top with an guitar).
Do not modulate the distortion itself; instead modulate the signals 
amplitude which is sent to the distortion.


rule #2: playing guitarsynths (or guitar through synths) requires a 
style of guitar playing which is 1000% the opposite of rock'n'roll. You 
have to play very "controlled". Especially you have to provide dedicated 
string damping, if you want to trigger envelopes.

To my opinion the usage of gates and triggered envelopes does not make 
much sense in combination with a guitar. If you want timed events like 
triggers for the guitar sound, then take them from an external 
triggersource like a sequencer or a rythm machine.
It is very difficult for a machine to sync to a human beeing, whilest a 
human beeing usually has no deeper problems with syncing its timing to a 
machine (ok,... one single exception: drummers ;-)) )

I recently found a very nice example for this principle of 
humans-sync-better-to-machines in the demo videos of the new SL-20 from 
Boss:
http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/SL-20/index.html
http://www.roland.com/demos/en/i0068/index.html



Florian




Chidra_100@iinet.net.au wrote:

> Hi all, In experiment mode this week;
> 
> *Ive been tinkering with my guitars and effects pedals via send / mix  
> module, ext input and midi input modules-
> 
> Does anybody have any good advice for running either specific modules/ 
> filter that actually compliment distorted inputs?
> (or even clean inputs, duplicate mixes distorted later in patch via fx  
> send or something.)
> 
> Or any tips on running "chasing" patches that use eg. the envelope  
> generator + gate to create an intune/sync in response to the guitar  
> rythm?
> I don't have any min/max modules, would getting those types be on the  
> right track?
> 
> (if its even possible to sync up good)
> 
> To be honest i only have horrible sounds coming out :(
> 
> Almost about to hang up the axe :o
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Florian Anwander                  |ConSol*
Tel.   +49(89)45841-133           |Consulting&Solutions Software GmbH
Fax    +49(89)45841-111           |Franziskanerstr. 38, D-81669 München
email: florian.anwander@consol.de |http://www.consol.de

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