Doepfer

I would like to see a window comparator much like this schematic produces:

http://www.ecelab.com/circuit-window-comp.htm

Mind you this is something different than the already existing Comparator A167 and the 
A172.

Greetings,

Ernst

ok, idea noted.
although there is a nice frac window comparator module, made by Blacet, there is no euro format module, so i'll create this poll.

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com> wrote:

From: achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] New Module Ideas: Window Comparator
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 6:41 PM






I would like to see a window comparator much like this schematic produces:

http://www.ecelab. com/circuit- window-comp. htm

Mind you this is something different than the already existing Comparator A167 and the 
A172.

Greetings,

Ernst

 














      

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Yes, but that Blacet module is working slightly different.
I am anyway slightly alarmed that everyone again goes into 'audio
processing' module suggestions when asked.
Shouldn't we have more 'cool CV tools' ?
Isn't voltage control what makes modulars special?





On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>wrote:

>   ok, idea noted.
> although there is a nice frac window comparator module, made by Blacet,
> there is no euro format module, so i'll create this poll.
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
>
> --- On Sun, 11/2/08, achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com<heinrich.himmelwasser%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com<heinrich.himmelwasser%40gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] New Module Ideas: Window Comparator
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 6:41 PM
>
>
> I would like to see a window comparator much like this schematic produces:
>
> http://www.ecelab. com/circuit- window-comp. htm
>
> Mind you this is something different than the already existing Comparator
> A167 and the
> A172.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Ernst
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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btw, thanks for your suggestion, i'll make the poll.
 
and, of course, audio processors and cv processors, all useful and needed!


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com> wrote:

From: achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Module Ideas: Window Comparator
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 8:14 PM






Yes, but that Blacet module is working slightly different.
I am anyway slightly alarmed that everyone again goes into 'audio
processing' module suggestions when asked.
Shouldn't we have more 'cool CV tools' ?
Isn't voltage control what makes modulars special?

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_ 2000@yahoo. com>wrote:

> ok, idea noted.
> although there is a nice frac window comparator module, made by Blacet,
> there is no euro format module, so i'll create this poll.
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagneti ca. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
>
> --- On Sun, 11/2/08, achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwass er@gmail. com<heinrich.himmelwas ser%40gmail. com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwass er@gmail. com<heinrich.himmelwas ser%40gmail. com>
> >
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] New Module Ideas: Window Comparator
> To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com <Doepfer_a100% 40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 6:41 PM
>
>
> I would like to see a window comparator much like this schematic produces:
>
> http://www.ecelab. com/circuit- window-comp. htm
>
> Mind you this is something different than the already existing Comparator
> A167 and the
> A172.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Ernst
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>

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On 02 Nov 2008, at 19:14, achtung_999 wrote:

> Yes, but that Blacet module is working slightly different.
> I am anyway slightly alarmed that everyone again goes into 'audio
> processing' module suggestions when asked.
> Shouldn't we have more 'cool CV tools' ?
> Isn't voltage control what makes modulars special?
>








Yes !!


I'm sorry, guys, but everytime I see the words "sampler" and "bit  
rate" and similar coming up in analogue modular talks, my stomach  
churns a bit. Call me an old fart, and backwards, but there's still so  
much to do, still so many possibilities with "ordinary" voltage  
control... I would have no idea what to do with something like a  
sampler in a modular setup. If I want to slice and dice samples, I've  
got plenty of perfectly capable software which takes care of that. If  
I want to have 8-bit sounds, I'll dig up my old Commodore 64.

Digital certainly has its place in modular synthesis, but please keep  
it out the audio path (for now). Otherwise I just don't see the point.  
Might as well just go for a Nord Modular, and have it at that.

Oh well... </rant>

Never mind.


_g







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I understand you are nervous, but I certainly think you should at least look at the harvestman modules for example

the possibilty cv control of digital is a funny little but of history that got missed out because midi and digital got a bit too dominant.

now is certainly the time to develop it - there are plenty of unknown voltage controlled sounds to discover that the nord modulars can't even dream of, and that is surely the point? rather than analogue fundamentalism?

Richard

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Guy Drieghe D. 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Module Ideas: Window Comparator



  On 02 Nov 2008, at 19:14, achtung_999 wrote:

  > Yes, but that Blacet module is working slightly different.
  > I am anyway slightly alarmed that everyone again goes into 'audio
  > processing' module suggestions when asked.
  > Shouldn't we have more 'cool CV tools' ?
  > Isn't voltage control what makes modulars special?
  >

  Yes !!

  I'm sorry, guys, but everytime I see the words "sampler" and "bit 
  rate" and similar coming up in analogue modular talks, my stomach 
  churns a bit. Call me an old fart, and backwards, but there's still so 
  much to do, still so many possibilities with "ordinary" voltage 
  control... I would have no idea what to do with something like a 
  sampler in a modular setup. If I want to slice and dice samples, I've 
  got plenty of perfectly capable software which takes care of that. If 
  I want to have 8-bit sounds, I'll dig up my old Commodore 64.

  Digital certainly has its place in modular synthesis, but please keep 
  it out the audio path (for now). Otherwise I just don't see the point. 
  Might as well just go for a Nord Modular, and have it at that.

  Oh well... </rant>

  Never mind.

  _g

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-g

Whilst we have not exhausted the possibilities of analogue sound 
sources, what some of us are interested in is more to do with CV 
control of sound sources. I have been using a BEL BD80 for years and 
the ability to capture sections of sounds that you have just 
synthesized and then use them immediately is incredibly useful.

I think there is a lot of interest here because of the possibility of 
keeping every parameter and control visible and not hidden behind a 
menu. Sure, samplers have been around for ages, but to be able to 
integrate the control of sampling into the modular system opens up 
the possibilities for performance and improvisation.

I just played a gig with the AS, Doepfer, Plan B and Cwejman modular 
stuff, an MS10, an MS20 and a Nord modular. The only big problem we 
had was with, guess what... the Nord. The vocoded sound got lost and 
with inadequate parameter access that was the end of that! Give that 
we have all the control options available already in the world of CV, 
it seems like a good idea to expand into areas previously severely 
limited by MIDI control standards.

However, the more we get to discuss this kind of thing the better the 
equipment will become.
Let's see what the polls say

all the best

sean

>
>I'm sorry, guys, but everytime I see the words "sampler" and "bit
>rate" and similar coming up in analogue modular talks, my stomach
>churns a bit. Call me an old fart, and backwards, but there's still so
>much to do, still so many possibilities with "ordinary" voltage
>control... I would have no idea what to do with something like a
>sampler in a modular setup. If I want to slice and dice samples, I've
>got plenty of perfectly capable software which takes care of that. If
>I want to have 8-bit sounds, I'll dig up my old Commodore 64.
>
>Digital certainly has its place in modular synthesis, but please keep
>it out the audio path (for now). Otherwise I just don't see the point.
>Might as well just go for a Nord Modular, and have it at that.
>
>Oh well... </rant>
>
>Never mind.
>
>_g
>
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>
>


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My original point was actually that I see a lot of fuss about fancy modules
that process audio.I just wanted to point out that a lot of people seem to
go past the nice use of CV control, imho.
I would like to share my ideas and experiences with you lot, not just keep
it to myself.
I am sometimes using a Micromodular as a fancy Oscillator into the Doepfer.

It's not that I am an analog fundementalist I am just an advocate for the
better use of CV. ;-)
(And an activist to get a better comparator for the Doepfer range... for
that matter, hehehe)

Greetings,

Ernst





On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Richard Scott <richard_scott@rwnc.co.uk>wrote:

>   I understand you are nervous, but I certainly think you should at least
> look at the harvestman modules for example
>
> the possibilty cv control of digital is a funny little but of history that
> got missed out because midi and digital got a bit too dominant.
>
> now is certainly the time to develop it - there are plenty of unknown
> voltage controlled sounds to discover that the nord modulars can't even
> dream of, and that is surely the point? rather than analogue fundamentalism?
>
> Richard
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Guy Drieghe D.
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Module Ideas: Window Comparator
>
> On 02 Nov 2008, at 19:14, achtung_999 wrote:
>
> > Yes, but that Blacet module is working slightly different.
> > I am anyway slightly alarmed that everyone again goes into 'audio
> > processing' module suggestions when asked.
> > Shouldn't we have more 'cool CV tools' ?
> > Isn't voltage control what makes modulars special?
> >
>
> Yes !!
>
> I'm sorry, guys, but everytime I see the words "sampler" and "bit
> rate" and similar coming up in analogue modular talks, my stomach
> churns a bit. Call me an old fart, and backwards, but there's still so
> much to do, still so many possibilities with "ordinary" voltage
> control... I would have no idea what to do with something like a
> sampler in a modular setup. If I want to slice and dice samples, I've
> got plenty of perfectly capable software which takes care of that. If
> I want to have 8-bit sounds, I'll dig up my old Commodore 64.
>
> Digital certainly has its place in modular synthesis, but please keep
> it out the audio path (for now). Otherwise I just don't see the point.
> Might as well just go for a Nord Modular, and have it at that.
>
> Oh well... </rant>
>
> Never mind.
>
> _g
>
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On 03 Nov 2008, at 00:29, Richard Scott wrote:

> I understand you are nervous, but I certainly think you should at  
> least look at the harvestman modules for example
>




Didn't have the chance yet. But they sure look promising.
Mind you, I "dig" where this is coming from, and guess where this is  
going to, it's just... not my cup of tea.


> the possibilty cv control of digital is a funny little but of  
> history that got missed out because midi and digital got a bit too  
> dominant.
>




Yes.
Midi and (early) samplers were one of the reasons why I stopped making  
e-music for a while (mid 80-ties). I found these things utterly  
frustrating, and thoroughly bad sounding. I still get annoyed by the  
shortcomings and sheer primitivity of MIDI. An 8-bit path ? Now ?!  
Come on... why is this still around ?

When peers and people asked me which sampler(s) I used (hey, those  
Akai's and Ensoniq's were mighty popular in the early days), I always  
replied "I use hi-fi quality, stereo samplers only, up to 30 minutes  
continuous memory buffer. So, I've got an A-77, and a B-77 with  
VariSpeed."  :-)


> now is certainly the time to develop it - there are plenty of  
> unknown voltage controlled sounds to discover that the nord modulars  
> can't even dream of, and that is surely the point? rather than  
> analogue fundamentalism?
>





"Fundamentalism" is perhaps a bit of a too strong word.
I like "purist" more.... Purist when it comes to analogues synthesis,  
yes. I like the sound of a Serge better than a Nord Modular, sorry.
But I've been using digital audio since the late 70-ties, so I'm not  
completely averse to it, I'd say. Both have their places, and as I  
suggested before, I'd love to see digital voltage control[lers] in an  
analogue modular. My opinion is - not as strongly as you might think  
though - that DVC is where the near future lies; there's still a lot  
to innovate & invent in that area.

I can't help it... I often find [the use of] samplers and other  
"digital solutions" to ehm, easy. I like to see some work and sweat  
put in music-making, oddly enough... When I work two days and nights  
on a patch to emulate a tabla (and then go off an wild tangents with  
that base sound), it just creeps me out when a fellow musician comes  
along and says "hey, I can do that in two seconds, with my sampler".  
Brrr...

_Guy


> Richard
>


>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Guy Drieghe D.
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Module Ideas: Window Comparator
>
> On 02 Nov 2008, at 19:14, achtung_999 wrote:
>
> > Yes, but that Blacet module is working slightly different.
> > I am anyway slightly alarmed that everyone again goes into 'audio
> > processing' module suggestions when asked.
> > Shouldn't we have more 'cool CV tools' ?
> > Isn't voltage control what makes modulars special?
> >
>
> Yes !!
>
> I'm sorry, guys, but everytime I see the words "sampler" and "bit
> rate" and similar coming up in analogue modular talks, my stomach
> churns a bit. Call me an old fart, and backwards, but there's still so
> much to do, still so many possibilities with "ordinary" voltage
> control... I would have no idea what to do with something like a
> sampler in a modular setup. If I want to slice and dice samples, I've
> got plenty of perfectly capable software which takes care of that. If
> I want to have 8-bit sounds, I'll dig up my old Commodore 64.
>
> Digital certainly has its place in modular synthesis, but please keep
> it out the audio path (for now). Otherwise I just don't see the point.
> Might as well just go for a Nord Modular, and have it at that.
>
> Oh well... </rant>
>
> Never mind.
>
> _g
>
> .
>
> 



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On 03 Nov 2008, at 00:31, Sean Williams wrote:

> -g
>
> Whilst we have not exhausted the possibilities of analogue sound
> sources, what some of us are interested in is more to do with CV
> control of sound sources.
>







Yes, me too.
Hence my digital-control-voltage suggestions, earlier on.
CV and sophisticated clocks/timers/triggers/boolean-things is where  
it's at.

> I have been using a BEL BD80 for years and
> the ability to capture sections of sounds that you have just
> synthesized and then use them immediately is incredibly useful.
>





Dunno what that BEL thang is, but I guess it's a sampler ?
Sure, samplers are useful in live situations.
>

> I think there is a lot of interest here because of the possibility of
> keeping every parameter and control visible and not hidden behind a
> menu. Sure, samplers have been around for ages, but to be able to
> integrate the control of sampling into the modular system opens up
> the possibilities for performance and improvisation.
>









Absolutely, I agree.
Still, personally I'd rather use a "ghost tape" for live performance  
and improv. :-)

>
>
> I just played a gig with the AS, Doepfer, Plan B and Cwejman modular
> stuff, an MS10, an MS20 and a Nord modular. The only big problem we
> had was with, guess what... the Nord. The vocoded sound got lost and
> with inadequate parameter access that was the end of that! Give that
> we have all the control options available already in the world of CV,
> it seems like a good idea to expand into areas previously severely
> limited by MIDI control standards.
>











I think you misunderstood or misinterpreted my previous post a bit.
It's not that I'm *against* anything digital, cv or audio, it's just  
that most of the time it makes my toes curl. Perhaps I've seen/heard  
the wrong performers ?

I used to have a few Nord Modulars, 'cause I think the base idea is a  
good one. There is something to be said (in theory) about a digital  
modular; cheap, easy, flexible, patch memory, expandability, etc...  
But yeah, parameter access is awkward or impossible, improv is hard to  
do, and they just sound... bad. Real bad.


>
>
> However, the more we get to discuss this kind of thing the better the
> equipment will become.
> Let's see what the polls say
>







Agreed.

Cheers,
_Guy
>

> all the best
>
> sean
>
> >
> >I'm sorry, guys, but everytime I see the words "sampler" and "bit
> >rate" and similar coming up in analogue modular talks, my stomach
> >churns a bit. Call me an old fart, and backwards, but there's still  
> so
> >much to do, still so many possibilities with "ordinary" voltage
> >control... I would have no idea what to do with something like a
> >sampler in a modular setup. If I want to slice and dice samples, I've
> >got plenty of perfectly capable software which takes care of that. If
> >I want to have 8-bit sounds, I'll dig up my old Commodore 64.
> >
> >Digital certainly has its place in modular synthesis, but please keep
> >it out the audio path (for now). Otherwise I just don't see the  
> point.
> >Might as well just go for a Nord Modular, and have it at that.
> >
> >Oh well... </rant>
> >
> >Never mind.
> >
> >_g
> >
>
>


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Hi

 >> I have been using a BEL BD80 for years and
 >> the ability to capture sections of sounds that you have just
 >> synthesized and then use them immediately is incredibly useful.
 > Dunno what that BEL thang is, but I guess it's a sampler ?
Nope, it is a Delay with sampling capabilities and (as far as I know) CV 
control. It is a rare item, and if sold ever, you will have to pay a 
high price. Imagine it as the vestafire DIG420, but with a much better 
sound.

 > Sure, samplers are useful in live situations.
I do not think, that an A-112-x would or should replace an sampler. If 
you are in a live set and want to use a sample as standin, then get a 
computer and Ableton Live or get some looper (the Boss RC-50 is great 
for usage in a tempo synced setup).
An Doepfer 112 never should concur with those pieces.


I think an forthcoming digital signal recorder will have main 
advantages, which cannot achieved with conventional samplers

1.) very experimental audio processing, like audio scanning, sequenced 
and realtime changable play conditions
2.) very cool cv processing; imagine a Roland CSQ600 or MC4 with the 
abilities of the A-154
3.) transfer from audio to cv and vice versa (like an audio wave as LFO, 
or a looped complex envelope from the A-143-1 as audio waveform)



And to all who think, that this will be comparable to any todays 
sampler: audio sample handling from a Doepfer Module will sound rough 
trashy and dirty. If we hear today a "sampler" we hear also 20 years of 
intricate algorithm development for crossfades, zerodetection, dc 
offsetting, noisereduction, autoleveling and what ever. All this will 
NOT be available in some A-112-x. You will hear clicks, whoomps, and noise.
If you want crosfading, you will have to achive it on the analogue 
domain with external modules. It will be interesting, but not easy.

Florian

> I would like to see a window comparator much like this schematic produces:
>
> http://www.ecelab.com/circuit-window-comp.htm
>
> Mind you this is something different than the already existing
> Comparator A167 and the
> A172.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Ernst

Easy to realize. But if the sales are as poor as for the A-167 and A-172 not
very promising (from the commercial point of view). We already think about
cancelling the A-167 and A-172 because of the sluggish demand.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

That is very sad to hear Dieter. I think the A172 is one of the best modules
around.I actually bought a Doepfer system because you guys made some great
modules that went outside of the ordinairy.

* insert another whining comment about people that need to learn about
creative use of CV *

Greetings,

Ernst






On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:42 AM, <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

>   > I would like to see a window comparator much like this schematic
> produces:
> >
> > http://www.ecelab.com/circuit-window-comp.htm
> >
> > Mind you this is something different than the already existing
> > Comparator A167 and the
> > A172.
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Ernst
>
> Easy to realize. But if the sales are as poor as for the A-167 and A-172
> not
> very promising (from the commercial point of view). We already think about
> cancelling the A-167 and A-172 because of the sluggish demand.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>  
>


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Oh and Dieter, could you please warn me on time if you are planning to
discontinue those modules?I will need to order a few then..



On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:42 AM, <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

>   > I would like to see a window comparator much like this schematic
> produces:
> >
> > http://www.ecelab.com/circuit-window-comp.htm
> >
> > Mind you this is something different than the already existing
> > Comparator A167 and the
> > A172.
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Ernst
>
> Easy to realize. But if the sales are as poor as for the A-167 and A-172
> not
> very promising (from the commercial point of view). We already think about
> cancelling the A-167 and A-172 because of the sluggish demand.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>  
>


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> Oh and Dieter, could you please warn me on time if you are planning to
> discontinue those modules?I will need to order a few then..

In principle all discontinuations are announced long time ago on our
website. Usually it takes 6 months or more after such an announcement until
the module is actually no longer available. Currently we are in negotiations
with the manufacturer to find out if its possible to produce smaller
quantities for some poor sellers and how much it affects the price. Probably
the front panels will be a bit more expensive because the initial silk
screen charges are independent from the quantity and have to be divided by
the number or panels of the corresponding production series.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Hello!

As I understood from your previous messages the most expensive part of the  
module is front panel silk screening. Maybe some "unpopular" modules can  
be released with cheaper front panels, to cut the costs?

Best regards, Mikhail

On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:54:51 +0200, <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

>> Oh and Dieter, could you please warn me on time if you are planning to
>> discontinue those modules?I will need to order a few then..
>
> In principle all discontinuations are announced long time ago on our
> website. Usually it takes 6 months or more after such an announcement  
> until
> the module is actually no longer available. Currently we are in  
> negotiations
> with the manufacturer to find out if its possible to produce smaller
> quantities for some poor sellers and how much it affects the price.  
> Probably
> the front panels will be a bit more expensive because the initial silk
> screen charges are independent from the quantity and have to be divided  
> by
> the number or panels of the corresponding production series.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>

I will definitely buying -at least - one!
Best wishes

Pieter


yahoo@doepfer.de schrieb:

>
> > Oh and Dieter, could you please warn me on time if you are planning to
> > discontinue those modules?I will need to order a few then..
>
> In principle all discontinuations are announced long time ago on our
> website. Usually it takes 6 months or more after such an announcement 
> until
> the module is actually no longer available. Currently we are in 
> negotiations
> with the manufacturer to find out if its possible to produce smaller
> quantities for some poor sellers and how much it affects the price. 
> Probably
> the front panels will be a bit more expensive because the initial silk
> screen charges are independent from the quantity and have to be divided by
> the number or panels of the corresponding production series.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>

This was an idea used by the early Serge panels. All they did was to  
make panels that had same sized holes placed in a even spaced matrix.  
The front panel sticker/graphics defined the module. The Mattson Mini  
Modular uses this tech. All the panels are pre-punched and the front  
graphics sheet covers the unused holes. This of course works well in  
his square modular design and would not function well for the Doepfer  
design. One way to make it work on the Doepfer is when designing the  
new module, compare its I/O with existing modules and seeing weather  
component placement can work with an existing panel design (I'm sure  
this is already happening). Unfortunately both the A-167 and A172  
have pretty unique panel designs.

-James

On Nov 3, 2008, at 6:07 AM, Mikhail Novikov wrote:

> Hello!
>
> As I understood from your previous messages the most expensive part  
> of the
> module is front panel silk screening. Maybe some "unpopular"  
> modules can
> be released with cheaper front panels, to cut the costs?
>
> Best regards, Mikhail
>
> On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:54:51 +0200, <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:
>
>>> Oh and Dieter, could you please warn me on time if you are  
>>> planning to
>>> discontinue those modules?I will need to order a few then..
>>
>> In principle all discontinuations are announced long time ago on our
>> website. Usually it takes 6 months or more after such an announcement
>> until
>> the module is actually no longer available. Currently we are in
>> negotiations
>> with the manufacturer to find out if its possible to produce smaller
>> quantities for some poor sellers and how much it affects the price.
>> Probably
>> the front panels will be a bit more expensive because the initial  
>> silk
>> screen charges are independent from the quantity and have to be  
>> divided
>> by
>> the number or panels of the corresponding production series.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Dieter Doepfer
>>
>
>
>
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>

> Hello!
>
> As I understood from your previous messages the most expensive part of the
> module is front panel silk screening. Maybe some "unpopular" modules can
> be released with cheaper front panels, to cut the costs?
>
> Best regards, Mikhail

I don't like the idea to have different looking modules. I think all modules
of the A-100 should have the same appearance.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> This was an idea used by the early Serge panels. All they did was to
> make panels that had same sized holes placed in a even spaced matrix.
> The front panel sticker/graphics defined the module. The Mattson Mini
> Modular uses this tech. All the panels are pre-punched and the front
> graphics sheet covers the unused holes. This of course works well in
> his square modular design and would not function well for the Doepfer
> design. One way to make it work on the Doepfer is when designing the
> new module, compare its I/O with existing modules and seeing weather
> component placement can work with an existing panel design (I'm sure
> this is already happening). Unfortunately both the A-167 and A172
> have pretty unique panel designs.
>
> -James

The expensive part isn't the punching but the silk screen (e.g. we offer
punched 8 HP or 4 HP panels at Euro 5 only). One will hardly find a
universal labelling for modules.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

On Nov 3, 2008, at 9:10 AM, yahoo@doepfer.de wrote:
> The expensive part isn't the punching but the silk screen (e.g. we  
> offer
> punched 8 HP or 4 HP panels at Euro 5 only). One will hardly find a
> universal labelling for modules.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
I worked at a company that used Lexan decals for a while as front  
panel graphics. They were cheaper than silkscreening on metal just  
because they were done multiples on a large sheet. I'm sure the  
Mattson Mini is printed similarly. It is a completely different look  
of course and would not really work on the A-100 - it would look VERY  
different from the previous modules. There is no easy way to automate  
the silkscreening process unless VERY large numbers are involved. It  
is still a guy putting a panel in a jig and doing it by hand, hence  
the expense. I once designed some custom patch panels for a SEM  
chassis I designed and planned on using semi-glossy paper 8.5x11  
stickers run though a color ink-jet printer and laminated. Still  
cheaper than making a silkscreen. Full color too.
I have to say that with as many modules that you offer in your line  
up, with as many unique parts, it is quite amazing that you can keep  
track of it all and that you're still in business! Keep up the good  
work!

Maybe a more exotic, very specialized, "boutique" line of Doepfer  
modules in low production runs that cost more to buy (enough more to  
cover a limited production run) - would be fun to try out. Not very  
practical though I would imagine. Leave that up to the other Euro- 
rack makers out there. I'm sure some of the ideas that are posted  
here that won't make it into the Doepfer line will show up elsewhere!

-James

cv modular digital stuff is great. the joy of a modular is the
workflow, and the interface, the more different sounds and modules the
better, i say. 


> the possibilty cv control of digital is a funny little but of
history that got missed out because midi and digital got a bit too
dominant. now is certainly the time to develop it - there are plenty
of unknown voltage controlled sounds to discover that the nord
modulars can't even dream of




> Richard
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Guy Drieghe D. 
>   To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:08 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Module Ideas: Window Comparator
> 
> 
> 
>   On 02 Nov 2008, at 19:14, achtung_999 wrote:
> 
>   > Yes, but that Blacet module is working slightly different.
>   > I am anyway slightly alarmed that everyone again goes into 'audio
>   > processing' module suggestions when asked.
>   > Shouldn't we have more 'cool CV tools' ?
>   > Isn't voltage control what makes modulars special?
>   >
> 
>   Yes !!
> 
>   I'm sorry, guys, but everytime I see the words "sampler" and "bit 
>   rate" and similar coming up in analogue modular talks, my stomach 
>   churns a bit. Call me an old fart, and backwards, but there's
still so 
>   much to do, still so many possibilities with "ordinary" voltage 
>   control... I would have no idea what to do with something like a 
>   sampler in a modular setup. If I want to slice and dice samples, I've 
>   got plenty of perfectly capable software which takes care of that. If 
>   I want to have 8-bit sounds, I'll dig up my old Commodore 64.
> 
>   Digital certainly has its place in modular synthesis, but please keep 
>   it out the audio path (for now). Otherwise I just don't see the
point. 

>   Might as well just go for a Nord Modular, and have it at that.
> 
>   Oh well... </rant>
> 
>   Never mind.
> 
>   _g
> 
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