Doepfer

In a message dated 7/23/2002 6:01:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
david.salter@reuters.com writes:


> 
> The n-64 controller is a superb idea. I love that fact the not only do you 
> get a couple of continuous controllers but the ability to trigger events, 
> envelopes, sequencers or resetting lfo's, all from one controller. Amazing. 
> I hope it does get into production, even if it's done as a limited edition 
> or short run.
> 
> 



hello david,
i agree ( and have lobbied for it, so far without being able to whip up much 
enthusiasm from most folks  :^(  ) - i think this device would offer 
tremendous flexibility in being able to conduct / interact with patches. one 
of the neatest ideas i`ve seen in a while but looks like it may not come to 
fruition.
if  its absolutely dead as a product, perhaps doepfer would consider 
releasing the schematics to the  d.i.y. community - ?
best,
dave





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>or a filterbank with separate outs;

Definately!  If you've ever played
with one of these, you know just how
cool this can be:

http://www.buchla.com/historical/b200/images/295-large.jpeg

Ethan

Hi list!

David wrote:
>I like the idea of a limited edition or small production run for those of us who either don't play keys or are more experimentally orientated (I fall into both categories).

You have to remember that a small production run will always cost a manufacturer lots of money, which the customers have to pay in the end.
But what would you all think about a higher priced module line (A-200 for example) with added functions? What about modules like a new discrete-circuit hi-end VCO with more than two CV inputs, please! ; or a filterbank with separate outs; ringmod45´s proposal for the "Variable Waveform Sync LFO"? 


Dave wrote: 
>if  its absolutely dead as a product, perhaps doepfer would consider releasing the schematics to the  d.i.y. community - ?

Yes, that´s a great idea if they decide not to produce it. This shouldn´t be too difficult to build it in my eyes. Compare it with synth.com´s PC-joystick-to-CV adapter [ http://www.synthesizers.com/q142.html  look at the bottom of the page], that´s only some cables attached to a D-Sub (or was it Sub-D?) connector. Connect the cables to a pedal interface - the A-177 would do fine - and have fun. Just imagine two joysticks to the left and right of your touchkeyboard, a ribbbon controller in front of it... aaamaaazing control possibilities!! ;-) 
The only problem might be to purchase a single N64-controller connector... Well, I might dismantle my flatmate´s N64... ;-)  ...damn, he´s only got a Playstation, but that´s a nice controller,too!

best,
Paul (another wack keyboarder)


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Reading this...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Schulz" <dasfonk@web.de>
> But what would you all think about a higher priced module line (A-200 for
example) with added functions? What about modules like a new
discrete-circuit hi-end VCO with more than two CV inputs, please! ; or a
filterbank with separate outs; ringmod45´s proposal for the "Variable
Waveform Sync LFO"?

I have to say, yes. I'd love a good VCO. In fact I actully think a modular
DCO would be a very neat module. That would give us a simple soultion for
tuning problems and also enable ever illusive graphic oscillator.
Integrating that with the rest of the A100 would be massive. And I suppose
it would also be cheap to manufacture. Not purist but very useful I think.


>
>
> Dave wrote:
> >if  its absolutely dead as a product, perhaps doepfer would consider
releasing the schematics to the  d.i.y. community - ?
>
> Yes, that´s a great idea if they decide not to produce it. This shouldn´t
be too difficult to build it in my eyes. Compare it with synth.com´s
PC-joystick-to-CV adapter [ http://www.synthesizers.com/q142.html  look at
the bottom of the page], that´s only some cables attached to a D-Sub (or was
it Sub-D?) connector. Connect the cables to a pedal interface - the A-177
would do fine - and have fun. Just imagine two joysticks to the left and
right of your touchkeyboard, a ribbbon controller in front of it...
aaamaaazing control possibilities!! ;-)
> The only problem might be to purchase a single N64-controller connector...
Well, I might dismantle my flatmate´s N64... ;-)  ...damn, he´s only got a
Playstation, but that´s a nice controller,too!

>
> best,
> Paul (another wack keyboarder)
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I have to say, yes. I'd love a good VCO. In fact I actully think a modular
  DCO would be a very neat module. That would give us a simple soultion for
  tuning problems and also enable ever illusive graphic oscillator.
  Integrating that with the rest of the A100 would be massive. And I suppose
  it would also be cheap to manufacture. Not purist but very useful I think.
No, a modular DCO really isn´t purist, but a cheap way to fatten up sounds! And a graphic DCO is indeed an excellent idea, Andreas. I´d really appreciate it if Doepfer will release this one.
You mentioned tuning problems: A simple oscillator generating 440Hz like the one on the Minimoog would be sufficient. Perhaps in a multi-purpose-module in combination with the requested pushbutton/toggle-switch-module.

Paul



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I definitely agree that places to look for inspirations for expansions
to the line would include Buchla and Serge.  Those who haven't done so
really owe it to themselves to check out:

www.buchla.com  and

http://www.scampers.com/EGRES/

As for a DCO, though ... hmm. I just don't see it at all.  There are so
many other sources for that -- unless I'm missing a subtlety here.

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "unknown freak" <ospengler@r...> 
wrote:
> I definitely agree that places to look for inspirations for 
expansions
> to the line would include Buchla and Serge.  

I agree...I would love to see vactrol based instruments and 
something along the lines of the Mult Arbitrary Function 
Generator.  That would be insane (in a good way). Biut 
Buchlinizing the Doepfer line would constitute the re-design of 
most of  his modules.  Indeed, ouside of the Source of 
Uncertainty and excellent Frequency Shifter - three items which 
qualify Buchla would have to be the +/- processing at all VC's
at the input,  the use of vactrols for processing VCs internally 
which gave the instrument it's distinct sound and the infamous 
VC input for sequencer direction.

No small task, but i remain hopeful!

As for Serge, nice instruments, but terribly overpriced and 
overrated.  Mort Subotnick brought Serge Tcherepnin from NYU 
to Cal Arts for the expressed reason to design an affordable 
instrument in kit form in which composition students could 
purchase on their limited budgets and work out of their home on.  
It was in this light  that these circuits were designed, many of 
which are still available today.  The second generation stuff (TBK 
and NTO among them) were a different story, these were 
brought to market after Serge started his own enterprize and 
were a direct result of his work on TONTO.

I still can't help but chuckle (laugh, actually) at the prices Sound 
Transform Systems toutes for these 30 year old 1st generation, 
single sided, none-solderamasked, non plated-through hole 
circuits.  It's oustanding (for him).

This is what I love about Doepfer so much - this modules are 
functional and quite reasonably priced. The net effect is a great 
value which allows more instruments into the hands of more 
people, which is only good for the art.  I hope he keeps in this 
going in this direction..

but a vactrol-based 2 pole low pass filter would never hurt!

OK, lemme have it.

P

Dare I say, Digisound had a great VC-DCO, and a tuning module.  
Neither were too expensive (and part of that was down to low cost 
panels and pots), but the circuits were solid.  Count me in on that 
one.

Also, count me in on any vactrol stuff.

Regards,
Kevin

No problem, Peter, it's just that you're off to the left of my actual
main point about Buchla and Serge stuff as a source of inspiration,
which is that some of the stuff is really nicely done and would be great
to use.

As for the prices, they're so lunatic they beggar belief.  And yes,
Doepfer's prices are in their way probably cause for as much excitement
as Buchla's and Serge's innovations.

I'd be surprised, though, if a peruse of the Serge module catalog didn't
give you occasional moments of piqued interest.  Someone was recently
talking about quadrature LFOs.  Serge has that.  Or the TKS.  Or the
divide by n comparator.  Etc., etc., etc.

The point is, setting price aside -- which in the real world you can't
do -- there's a lot there that I'd like in my Doepfer and would really
enhance it.  Much more so than a A440 oscillator, for instance.

But your vactrol ideas are lustworthy.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: petergrenader [mailto:petergrenader@hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:25 PM
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: All for a new VCO!
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "unknown freak" <ospengler@r...> 
> wrote:
> > I definitely agree that places to look for inspirations for
> expansions
> > to the line would include Buchla and Serge.
> 
> I agree...I would love to see vactrol based instruments and 
> something along the lines of the Mult Arbitrary Function 
> Generator.  That would be insane (in a good way). Biut 
> Buchlinizing the Doepfer line would constitute the re-design of 
> most of  his modules.  Indeed, ouside of the Source of 
> Uncertainty and excellent Frequency Shifter - three items which 
> qualify Buchla would have to be the +/- processing at all 
> VC's at the input,  the use of vactrols for processing VCs internally 
> which gave the instrument it's distinct sound and the infamous 
> VC input for sequencer direction.
> 
> No small task, but i remain hopeful!
> 
> As for Serge, nice instruments, but terribly overpriced and 
> overrated.  Mort Subotnick brought Serge Tcherepnin from NYU 
> to Cal Arts for the expressed reason to design an affordable 
> instrument in kit form in which composition students could 
> purchase on their limited budgets and work out of their home on.  
> It was in this light  that these circuits were designed, many of 
> which are still available today.  The second generation stuff (TBK 
> and NTO among them) were a different story, these were 
> brought to market after Serge started his own enterprize and 
> were a direct result of his work on TONTO.
> 
> I still can't help but chuckle (laugh, actually) at the prices Sound 
> Transform Systems toutes for these 30 year old 1st generation, 
> single sided, none-solderamasked, non plated-through hole 
> circuits.  It's oustanding (for him).
> 
> This is what I love about Doepfer so much - this modules are 
> functional and quite reasonably priced. The net effect is a great 
> value which allows more instruments into the hands of more 
> people, which is only good for the art.  I hope he keeps in this 
> going in this direction..
> 
> but a vactrol-based 2 pole low pass filter would never hurt!
> 
> OK, lemme have it.
> 
> P

hi list,
o.k., as you seem to have so many new ideas for new
modules(i agree with a high end discrete component
VCO,too!!!!!!!!),please,feel free to make your own
polls!come on,what are you waiting for? :-)
bakis.


--- unknown freak <ospengler@rcn.com> wrote:
> I definitely agree that places to look for
> inspirations for expansions
> to the line would include Buchla and Serge.  Those
> who haven't done so
> really owe it to themselves to check out:
> 
> www.buchla.com  and
> 
> http://www.scampers.com/EGRES/
> 
> As for a DCO, though ... hmm. I just don't see it at
> all.  There are so
> many other sources for that -- unless I'm missing a
> subtlety here.
> 
> 
> 


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> 
> OK, lemme have it.
> 
> P

I can offer a deep resounding aye-aye
in response to your Buchla comments
and enthusiasm.  However, would such modules
by virtue of design, be forced into a 
price bracket similar to Serge?

Ethan

not necessarily, different production methods. but they might or will 
be a little more expensive. the point is doepfer has designed and 
produced the basic modules here already, so let the creative and 
esoteric modules fly. that what i am jonesing for because i already 
have them all the regular modules. i also would like vc digital 
modules for processing and modifying within the A100.

bring on the matrix mixers, quadrature lfo's, analog shift registers 
quad panners, vc stage addressable sequencers and vc delays. etc

 

RM

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ethanzer0" <ethanzer0@y...> wrote:

> > 
> > OK, lemme have it.
> > 
> > P
> 
> I can offer a deep resounding aye-aye
> in response to your Buchla comments
> and enthusiasm.  However, would such modules
> by virtue of design, be forced into a 
> price bracket similar to Serge?
> 
> Ethan

--- "p. hendricks" <ph@a...> wrote:
> agreed, we need something really messed up! perhaps, a 
wacked digital delay
> with CV  control over bit/sample rate/playback
> speed/length/LF/HF/loop/reverse/degrade... ++++ everything! 
we need a fully
> CV'able messed up digital thing!


this is pretty easy already..
cv-to-midi is all you need (that's all it would end up being 
anyway).  i use it all the time.

-duff

ps   w the exception of maybe wavetable oscs..i try to adhear to 
this rule:  if digital, then powerbook. (or) if hardware, then analog.  
something like that..

agreed, we need something really messed up! perhaps, a wacked digital delay
with CV  control over bit/sample rate/playback
speed/length/LF/HF/loop/reverse/degrade... ++++ everything! we need a fully
CV'able messed up digital thing!

btw: for a VCO look to the AS RS-95 or new Blacet VCO
both are excellent.
-pH

On 7/23/02 7:23 PM, "ringmod45" <ringmod45@yahoo.com> wrote:

> not necessarily, different production methods. but they might or will
> be a little more expensive. the point is doepfer has designed and
> produced the basic modules here already, so let the creative and
> esoteric modules fly. that what i am jonesing for because i already
> have them all the regular modules. i also would like vc digital
> modules for processing and modifying within the A100.
> 
> bring on the matrix mixers, quadrature lfo's, analog shift registers
> quad panners, vc stage addressable sequencers and vc delays. etc
> 
> 
>

On 7/23/02 8:28 PM, "duffnuff" <duffnuff@hotmail.com> wrote:

> this is pretty easy already..
> cv-to-midi is all you need (that's all it would end up being
> anyway).  i use it all the time.

note: a virtual modular is pretty easy also, I think most on this list
recognize the difference.

midi? i don't use midi... really.... seriously, it's been stagnant for 20
years. They need a USB or Firewire update to interest me.
As it stands. it just doesn't interact well with live modular tweaking,
besides all the "great" digital delays  I have aren't midi the early low res
dig. delays are the best.  Later ones are too perfect just a replication.
Anyway, I'm not totally against virtual things like the Line 6 delays, but
they lack CV in. 128 steps ain't pretty.

Regardless, like any other module it's the unique sound and inputs that
govern it's usefulness. Hence why there's software yet people still sell
children  for a PCM-42.
-pH

I don't like vote that much... I prefer to have a healthy debates... more
ideas come from that than simple yes or  now answers.


----- Original Message -----

From: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:18 AM
Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] All for a new VCO!


> hi list,
> o.k., as you seem to have so many new ideas for new
> modules(i agree with a high end discrete component
> VCO,too!!!!!!!!),please,feel free to make your own
> polls!come on,what are you waiting for? :-)
> bakis.
>
>
> --- unknown freak <ospengler@rcn.com> wrote:
> > I definitely agree that places to look for
> > inspirations for expansions
> > to the line would include Buchla and Serge.  Those
> > who haven't done so
> > really owe it to themselves to check out:
> >
> > www.buchla.com  and
> >
> > http://www.scampers.com/EGRES/
> >
> > As for a DCO, though ... hmm. I just don't see it at
> > all.  There are so
> > many other sources for that -- unless I'm missing a
> > subtlety here.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "p. hendricks" <ph@a...> wrote:
> On 7/23/02 8:28 PM, "duffnuff" <duffnuff@h...> wrote:
> 
> > this is pretty easy already..
> > cv-to-midi is all you need (that's all it would end up being
> > anyway).  i use it all the time.
> 
> note: a virtual modular is pretty easy also, I think most on this 
list
> recognize the difference.
> 
> midi? i don't use midi... really.... seriously, it's been stagnant for 
20
> years. They need a USB or Firewire update to interest me.
> As it stands. it just doesn't interact well with live modular 
tweaking,
> besides all the "great" digital delays  I have aren't midi the early 
low res
> dig. delays are the best.  Later ones are too perfect just a 
replication.
> Anyway, I'm not totally against virtual things like the Line 6 
delays, but
> they lack CV in. 128 steps ain't pretty.
> 
> Regardless, like any other module it's the unique sound and 
inputs that
> govern it's usefulness. Hence why there's software yet people 
still sell
> children  for a PCM-42.
> -pH


please don't get me wrong.. i also prefer all above that you 
mention.  
so to be more specific, i was just speaking in terms of doing 
stuff like adding cv control to digital manglers.   for instance 
something as simple as using an a155 to control a grain 
sampler.  one place to start is to control the start position of a 
sample with one row of the a155 and the sample's length  w the 
other row.  stuff like that.. simple to do but of course involves the 
cv being converted to midi (which is not that evil) to control 
anything you want on the powerbook, and send that whereever 
you want.  and for playing live, it only takes 2 seconds (or less) to 
change where your cv is going.  it's really no hassle, i'm not a fan 
of midi either but i won't let that stop me from getting the a100 
and the craptop talking to each other w relative ease.  ..try it!  
-duff

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "p. hendricks" <ph@a...> wrote:
> agreed, we need something really messed up! perhaps, a 
wacked digital delay
> with CV  control over bit/sample rate/playback
> speed/length/LF/HF/loop/reverse/degrade... ++++ everything! 
we need a fully
> CV'able messed up digital thing!


p.,
 
looks like analogue systems is introducing just that, rs290 cv 
digi delay..no pics yet but there's a feature set sheet on thier 
website iin the 'modules' section.  looks great.  variable sample 
rate down to 8kHz and bidirectional feedback w looping.  go bob!

www.analoguesystems.co.uk/modules/rs290.txt

-duff