Fwd: AW: RE: [Doepfer_a100] info from doepfer!about the ribboncontrollerandsensor ke...
2002-07-25 by bakis Sirros
--- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@doepfer.de> wrote: > From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@doepfer.de> > To: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com> > Subject: AW: RE: [Doepfer_a100] info from > doepfer!about the ribboncontrollerandsensor ke... > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:17:42 +0200 > > Dear Bakis, > > thanks for the copy of the message below. Normally I > observe about 90% of the > messages of the group when I'm in the company (i.e. > when I'm not in holidays or > vistiting fairs or similar). > > Some group members complain that I do not join the > group and take part in the > discussions. This has different reasons: > > 1. I understand the forum as a customer group > completely independent of Doepfer. > I'm not sure if this remains the same when I appear > as a member in the group > (especially for new members). > 2. I do not want to take a stand to the products of > competitors (many items > concern competitors too). I think it is bad style to > criticize competitors. > 3. Last but not least I do not have sufficient time > to give my view to all > messages. Most of the messages would require this > from me as a part of the > group. > > > Sometimes I feel sorry not to be a member - > especially when technically wrong > statements are given by a member (not only > concerning Doepfer products but even > general wrong basic information). > > But everybody is open to contact me directly and I > think so far I replied each > email - even if it may take some time as I'm very > busy (remember my sideline: I > have to manage a company). > > Concerning the module suggestions there is a general > problem: It takes at least > 3 months to develop a new module or another device > (basic considerations, pcb > layout, prototype building and testing, software > design for some products, front > panel or case/housing design, redesigns if there > occur problems, writing > preliminary and final infos, taking pictures, > writing user manuals and service > manuals and many more). For more complex products > like the touch sensor keyboard > the required time is much longer. Of course for very > simple designs (e.g. CV > source A-176 or voltage inverter A-175 or mixer > A-138) the development time was > much less. > This means that we are able to publish not more than > about 4 modules/devices per > year. And for these ~4 devices we have to pay > attention not to generate a "flop" > as we have to pay the salaries for our employees > every month. We made the > experience that the sales are much less for more > "exotic" and more expensive > modules or devices (e.g. we sell much less > Theremins/Shepards/Vocoders/Subharmonics that > VCFs/ADSRs/LFOs/VCOs). > > But I think that the group's suggestions for the > proceeding for new exotic > modules (like Nintendo or space mouse controllers) > is a good starting point. We > could try to collect advance orders and then > calculate the price based on the > number of advance orders. As soon as the price is > defined the customers may > decide if they accept the price. When too many > orderers jump off the price will > have to be re-calculated because of the new > conditions. It is a bit complicated > but it may work. I think we will try this for the > Nintendo and space mouse > module. For the space mouse module I would advise > against as the transmission > rate from the space mouse is too small from our > point of view. But it seems that > some customers would accept this. Another question > is if we should manufacture a > product we do no stand by (as for the space mouse > controller). I'm not sure if > we should offer a product with drawbacks known in > advance even if some customers > ask for this product. > > And one last statement: When we know that there is a > module already available > from one of our competitors we (normally) do not > develop a similar product. Of > course there are exceptions: If a competitor > publishes a module after we > finished a similar product we normally will offer > our module too as we already > invested the development costs. But generally we > think that the small community > of analog modular systems manufacturer should not > make their live harder as it > is already. We have good relationship with some > other manufacturers (e.g. Bob > Williams of Analogue Systems, or the common Super > Booth at the Frankfurt show > together with Technosaurus, Analogue Solutions, > Vermona, Sherman, Moog and > others). As an example we will not develop a new > high end VCO as there are some > solutions already available from our competitors (or > even friends). > > You may publish this statement in the forum if > desired. > > Best wishes > Dieter Doepfer > Doepfer Musikelektronik GmbH > http://www.doepfer.de > email: hardware@doepfer.de > > > > > > > > > -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: bakis Sirros > [mailto:synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com] > > Gesendet am: Dienstag, 23. Juli 2002 14:13 > > An: dieter doepfer > > Betreff: Fwd: RE: [Doepfer_a100] info from > doepfer!about the > > ribboncontrollerandsensor ke... > > > > > > --- David Salter <david.salter@reuters.com> wrote: > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com > > > From: David Salter <david.salter@reuters.com> > > > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:13:56 +0100 > > > Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] info from > doepfer!about > > > the > > > ribboncontrollerandsensor ke... > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > I hope it does make it to production. > > > > > > Very exciting idea. > > > > > > I'm not sure what Doepfers take on releasing > > > intellectual property is but this thing would be > of > > > interest to modular users regardless of the > origin > > > of the modules. > > > > > > Maybe Bakis (are you there Bakis?) could could > have > > > a quite word with Dieter - I like the idea of a > > > limited edition or small production run for > those of > > > us who either don't play keys or are more > > > experimentally orientated (I fall into both > > > categories). > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > David Salter > > > Reuters Consulting > > > Tel: +44 20 7542 2402 > > > Mob: +44 7990562402 > > > Fax: +44 20 7542 2699 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: davevosh@aol.com > [mailto:davevosh@aol.com] > > > Sent: 23 July 2002 11:53 > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] info from > doepfer!about > > > the ribboncontrollerandsensor ke... > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/23/2002 6:01:28 AM Eastern > > > Daylight Time, > > > david.salter@reuters.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The n-64 controller is a superb idea. I love > that > > > fact the not only do you > > > > get a couple of continuous controllers but > the > > > ability to trigger events, > > > > envelopes, sequencers or resetting lfo's, all > > > from one controller. Amazing. > > > > I hope it does get into production, even if > it's > > > done as a limited edition > > > > or short run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello david, > > > i agree ( and have lobbied for it, so far > without > > > being able to whip up much > > > enthusiasm from most folks :^( ) - i think > this > > > device would offer > > > tremendous flexibility in being able to conduct > / > > > interact with patches. one > > > of the neatest ideas i`ve seen in a while but > looks > > > like it may not come to > > > fruition. > > > if its absolutely dead as a product, perhaps > > > doepfer would consider > > > releasing the schematics to the d.i.y. > community - > > > ? > > > best, > > > dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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