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A177-2 - what foot switch?

A177-2 - what foot switch?

2015-11-25 by David Kellett

Hi,

I have recently bought two A177-2s. Alas my dual foot switches that I have for other keyboards are not the right type. Only one pedal produces any effect and that is to produce a gate when released. These pedals are VPF2s. I don't want to mod them as I use them for other things. So it looks like I need to buy another couple of pedals. I'm in the UK - anyone know what and where to buy? Hoping not too expensive!!

David

www.movingisliving.co.uk

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] A177-2 - what foot switch?

2015-11-26 by Nicholas Keller


"A-177 is compatible with the footcontrollers FP5 and double foot switch VFP2 (see Accessories). The Foot controller and double foot switch are not included with the module but have to be ordered in addition. If you want to use another foot controller or foot switch it has to be compatible to FP5 or VFP2. In the user's manual of the no longer available module A-177 ( A177_man.pdf) you find the specification for these devices.

If the footcontroller FP5 is used the CV output range is about 0...+8V. The gate output levels are 0/+12V in combination with the VFP2 (foot switch not operated = 0V, foot switch operated = +12V)."



The above text (taken from A-177-2 page) indicates that VFP2 is the correct model to use with the A-177 series, which is the pedal you say you are using (or was that a typo?). My assumption is that when the pedal switch is not depressed, the +12V signal is shunted to GND, and when you press the switch, the connection is broken allowing the 12V to feed the A-177-2 output. If you do have the VFP2 and your pedal is not working that way, there may be something wrong with your cable from the pedal or it may not be fully inserted into the A-177-2. There are no polarity jumpers on the 177-2 and there is no indication that the pedal can be set to work differently (without replacing the switch with normally-open). If you are using a different model of pedal, you may want to try the A-165 trigger modifier as suggested above. I did not look for a compatible pedal or source in the UK as I am unsure what pedal you are using now.

Best of luck,

Nick




On Wednesday, November 25, 2015, David Kellett davidkellettwoulf@yahoo.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Hi,

I have recently bought two A177-2s. Alas my dual foot switches that I have for other keyboards are not the right type. Only one pedal produces any effect and that is to produce a gate when released. These pedals are VPF2s. I don't want to mod them as I use them for other things. So it looks like I need to buy another couple of pedals. I'm in the UK - anyone know what and where to buy? Hoping not too expensive!!

David

www.movingisliving.co.uk

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [Doepfer_a100] A177-2 - what foot switch?

2015-11-26 by David Kellett

It may be that my pedal is faulty then as it is indeed a vfp2. I have another one that I have not tried yet as I assumed it was the pedal that was the wrong model. I shall try the other one tonight and see if it works better / differently. Maybe I just need new pedals!! I had not used these in a while. 

David

www.movingisliving.co.uk

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> On 26 Nov 2015, at 14:39, Nicholas Keller maq163x2@gmail.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> "A-177 is compatible with the footcontrollers FP5 and double foot switch VFP2 (see Accessories). The Foot controller and double foot switch are not included with the module but have to be ordered in addition. If you want to use another foot controller or foot switch it has to be compatible to FP5 or VFP2. In the user's manual of the no longer available module  A-177 ( A177_man.pdf) you find the specification for these devices.
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> If the footcontroller FP5 is used the CV output range is about 0...+8V. The gate output levels are 0/+12V in combination with the VFP2 (foot switch not operated = 0V, foot switch operated = +12V)."
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> The above text (taken from A-177-2 page) indicates that VFP2 is the correct model to use with the A-177 series, which is the pedal you say you are using (or was that a typo?).  My assumption is that when the pedal switch is not depressed, the  +12V signal is shunted to GND, and when you press the switch, the connection is broken allowing the 12V to feed the A-177-2 output.   If you do have the VFP2 and your pedal is not working that way, there may be something wrong with your cable from the pedal or it may not be fully inserted into the A-177-2.  There are no polarity jumpers on the 177-2 and there is no indication that the pedal can be set to work differently (without replacing the switch with normally-open).  If you are using a different model of pedal, you may want to try the A-165 trigger modifier as suggested above.  I did not look for a compatible pedal or source in the UK as I am unsure what pedal you are using now.  
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> Best of luck,
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> Nick
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> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015, David Kellett davidkellettwoulf@yahoo.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have recently bought two A177-2s. Alas my dual foot switches that I have for other keyboards are not the right type. Only one pedal produces any effect and that is to produce a gate when released. These pedals are VPF2s. I don't want to mod them as I use them for other things. So it looks like I need to buy another couple of pedals. I'm in the UK - anyone know what and where to buy? Hoping not too expensive!!
>> 
>> David
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>> www.movingisliving.co.uk
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] A177-2 - what foot switch?

2015-11-26 by David Kellett

Can anyone tell me - would "closed" or " open" momentary switch be the correct description? There seem to be two VFP-2 choices at Thormann. The VPP-2 10 or 15 the 15 is closed the 10 open. My pedals at home just say VFP-2.  I need to buy two as soon as possible and then a further two soon. 

David

www.movingisliving.co.uk

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> On 26 Nov 2015, at 15:12, David Kellett davidkellettwoulf@yahoo.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> It may be that my pedal is faulty then as it is indeed a vfp2. I have another one that I have not tried yet as I assumed it was the pedal that was the wrong model. I shall try the other one tonight and see if it works better / differently. Maybe I just need new pedals!! I had not used these in a while. 
> 
> David
> 
> www.movingisliving.co.uk
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On 26 Nov 2015, at 14:39, Nicholas Keller maq163x2@gmail.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>> "A-177 is compatible with the footcontrollers FP5 and double foot switch VFP2 (see Accessories). The Foot controller and double foot switch are not included with the module but have to be ordered in addition. If you want to use another foot controller or foot switch it has to be compatible to FP5 or VFP2. In the user's manual of the no longer available module  A-177 ( A177_man.pdf) you find the specification for these devices.
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>> If the footcontroller FP5 is used the CV output range is about 0...+8V. The gate output levels are 0/+12V in combination with the VFP2 (foot switch not operated = 0V, foot switch operated = +12V)."
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>> The above text (taken from A-177-2 page) indicates that VFP2 is the correct model to use with the A-177 series, which is the pedal you say you are using (or was that a typo?).  My assumption is that when the pedal switch is not depressed, the  +12V signal is shunted to GND, and when you press the switch, the connection is broken allowing the 12V to feed the A-177-2 output.   If you do have the VFP2 and your pedal is not working that way, there may be something wrong with your cable from the pedal or it may not be fully inserted into the A-177-2.  There are no polarity jumpers on the 177-2 and there is no indication that the pedal can be set to work differently (without replacing the switch with normally-open).  If you are using a different model of pedal, you may want to try the A-165 trigger modifier as suggested above.  I did not look for a compatible pedal or source in the UK as I am unsure what pedal you are using now.  
>> 
>> Best of luck,
>> 
>> Nick
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>> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015, David Kellett davidkellettwoulf@yahoo.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I have recently bought two A177-2s. Alas my dual foot switches that I have for other keyboards are not the right type. Only one pedal produces any effect and that is to produce a gate when released. These pedals are VPF2s. I don't want to mod them as I use them for other things. So it looks like I need to buy another couple of pedals. I'm in the UK - anyone know what and where to buy? Hoping not too expensive!!
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> www.movingisliving.co.uk
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> 
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AW: [Doepfer_a100] A177-2 - what foot switch?

2015-11-26 by yahoo@doepfer.de

> Can anyone tell me - would "closed" or " open" momentary switch be the correct description? There seem to be two VFP-2
> choices at Thormann. The VPP-2 10 or 15 the 15 is closed the 10 open. My pedals at home just say VFP-2.  I need to buy
> two as soon as possible and then a further two soon.
>
>
> David

You need a pedal with contacts which are "closed at rest", or in other words contacts that open when operated (and closed when not
operated).
The Thomann website says "closed momentary switch" for the Fatar VFP2-15. I think this is the right version. Or you order the VFP2
from the Doepfer representative in your country. In this case you can be sure to get the right pedal.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] A177-2 - what foot switch?

2015-11-26 by David Kellett

Thanks Dieter!! I shall ask Andy at EMIS. 

David

www.movingisliving.co.uk

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On 26 Nov 2015, at 16:18, yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>> Can anyone tell me - would "closed" or " open" momentary switch be the correct description? There seem to be two VFP-2
>> choices at Thormann. The VPP-2 10 or 15 the 15 is closed the 10 open. My pedals at home just say VFP-2.  I need to buy
>> two as soon as possible and then a further two soon.
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>> David
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> You need a pedal with contacts which are "closed at rest", or in other words contacts that open when operated (and closed when not
> operated).
> The Thomann website says "closed momentary switch" for the Fatar VFP2-15. I think this is the right version. Or you order the VFP2
> from the Doepfer representative in your country. In this case you can be sure to get the right pedal.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
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