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A-190-4 midi to cv legato mode?

A-190-4 midi to cv legato mode?

2018-12-08 by ville@oikarinen.org

Hello.


I just realized that neither of the note priority modes of A-190-4 (highest note nor last note) is what I'm used to with some other synths in their legato mode.


Or maybe it's more precise to say that the last note priority doesn't work as I expect it to work. I expect it to resume the previous note if it's still held down when releasing the newer note.


The highest note mode works like this: if I press down C and then D, the D will sound until I release it. After releasing it C will continue to sound.


But in the last note mode, when I release a note, the synth goes silent, even if I'm still holding down a previous note. I fail to see the use of this behaviour.


Currently there is no way to press down C, then Bb below it, and after releasing Bb the C would continue sounding.


It would be nice to either make the last note priority mode provide a proper legato or then add it as a third mode.


The document doesn't mention upgrading firmware, so if it's impossible to upgrade, then it doesn't really help me to even request new features, does it? :) If it's impossible to get a fix, I guess I'll have to find a software solution (midi effect) for this. Or can I perhaps somehow get improved software to my unit?


- Ville Oikarinen


Re: A-190-4 midi to cv legato mode?

2018-12-08 by man.of.mystery@ntlworld.com

I have the same problem with my A-190-2 - I would like to be able to use Last Note priority, but it doesn't work as I would want it to.

Since releasing a key doesn't return to playing a previously held key, hitting the edge of the next key by accident kills the note I wanted to play - it stops immediately, and doesn't resume when I release the key I pressed accidentally. E.g. I try to play C, but my finger also catches the edge of D, momentarily, resulting in a brief blip, then silence.

I'm a terrible keyboard player, so I do that a lot. I settled for only using High Note priority, but that's not ideal because I also wanted to use the A-190-2 to control the filter of other synths, to provide velocity, but that doesn't work if the A-190-2 can't respond to notes in the same way as the synth I'm using it with.

I assume the A-190-2 firmware can't be updated either, but if it can, I would very much like to know, even if it involves replacing a chip - so long as it's one that's in a socket.

- Andy

RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-190-4 midi to cv legato mode?

2018-12-08 by Scott Rogers

On a similar subject, I have a 190-1. The highest note it responds to is B-7. Does that sound correct? Seems strange that it doesn’t got to C-8. That’s the top note on every midi keyboard I have and it’s a note I use a LOT!! Seems like an odd choice to leave just one note that doesn’t work.

 

If that isn’t right, is there a way to get it to respond to a C-8?

 

Other than that the only problem I have is that I can’t find a way to enable portamento. I did it once from Sonar by sending the right command but it’s never worked since.

 

Scott
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I have the same problem with my A-190-2 - I would like to be able to use Last Note priority, but it doesn't work as I would want it to.  

Since releasing a key doesn't return to playing a previously held key, hitting the edge of the next key by accident kills the note I wanted to play - it stops immediately, and doesn't resume when I release the key I pressed accidentally.  E.g. I try to play C, but my finger also catches the edge of D, momentarily, resulting in a brief blip, then silence.

I'm a terrible keyboard player, so I do that a lot.  I settled for only using High Note priority, but that's not ideal because I also wanted to use the A-190-2 to control the filter of other synths, to provide velocity, but that doesn't work if the A-190-2 can't respond to notes in the same way as the synth I'm using it with.

I assume the A-190-2 firmware can't be updated either, but if it can, I would very much like to know, even if it involves replacing a chip - so long as it's one that's in a socket.

- Andy





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Re: [Doepfer_a100] A-190-4 midi to cv legato mode?

2018-12-08 by Florian Anwander

Am 08.12.18 um 15:24 schrieb ville@oikarinen.org [Doepfer_a100]:
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The highest note mode works like this: if I press down C and then D, the D will sound until I release it. After releasing it C will continue to sound.

But in the last note mode, when I release a note, the synth goes silent, even if I'm still holding down a previous note. I fail to see the use of this behaviour.

That is how the last note mode is intended to work. What you are expecting is a "last note, but not really, maybe also note before"-mode. This has still to be invented.

That has nothing to do with Doepfer, but it is like that at all MIDI-CV interfaces.

Re: A-190-4 midi to cv legato mode?

2018-12-08 by man.of.mystery@ntlworld.com

Scott,

What do you have the reference note set to?

I'm not familiar with the A-190-1, but on the A-190-2, I press the button to get into Learn mode, then press a key to send the lowest note I want to be able to play ("reference note"). It then accepts 5 complete octaves, starting from that note - so if it was a C, it would play 5 octaves from C to C, but if I set a B, it would play B to B.

- Andy

RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-190-4 midi to cv legato mode?

2018-12-09 by Scott Rogers

Andy, WOW! That worked!!! I had no idea. I find the manual confusing and never realized that was the problem. Even now I was trying to figure out how to set this (reading the manual) and it took quite a while but now all is good! No idea how it ever got changed but it probably happened when I was first fooling around with it… over 5 years ago.

 

Thanks VERY much!

Scott
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Scott,

What do you have the reference note set to?  

I'm not familiar with the A-190-1, but on the  A-190-2, I press the button to get into Learn mode, then press a key to send the lowest note I want to be able to play ("reference note").  It then accepts 5 complete octaves, starting from that note - so if it was a C, it would play 5 octaves from C to C, but if I set a B, it would play B to B.

- Andy





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RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-190-4 midi to cv legato mode?

2018-12-09 by man.of.mystery@ntlworld.com

You're welcome, Scott. I'm glad that was the solution :)

Yes, it's confused me a bit when I've wanted to change it too. It seems like I should know how, because I've done it before, but I still tend to have to puzzle over the instructions.

Maybe they just lost something in translation.

- Andy

AW: [Doepfer_a100] A-190-4 midi to cv legato mode?

2018-12-10 by yahoo@doepfer.de

> Hello.
>
> I just realized that neither of the note priority modes of
> A-190-4 (highest note nor last note) is what I'm used to with
> some other synths in their legato mode.
> Or maybe it's more precise to say that the last note priority
> doesn't work as I expect it to work. I expect it to resume the
> previous note if it's still held down when releasing the newer note.
> The highest note mode works like this: if I press down C and then
> D, the D will sound until I release it. After releasing it C will
> continue to sound.
> But in the last note mode, when I release a note, the synth goes
> silent, even if I'm still holding down a previous note. I fail to
> see the use of this behaviour.
> Currently there is no way to press down C, then Bb below it, and
> after releasing Bb the C would continue sounding.
> It would be nice to either make the last note priority mode
> provide a proper legato or then add it as a third mode.
>
> The document doesn't mention upgrading firmware, so if it's
> impossible to upgrade, then it doesn't really help me to even
> request new features, does it? :) If it's impossible to get a
> fix, I guess I'll have to find a software solution (midi effect)
> for this. Or can I perhaps somehow get improved software to my unit?
>
> - Ville Oikarinen

Please contact Christian Assall (software@doepfer.de). He programmed the
A-190-4 firmware and knows such details.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

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