Doepfer

The A190 has an arpeggiator function that says "not yet implemented" 
in the manual. Interesting choice of words, don't you think? It should 
have just said "Chris decided not to bother" or something like that. 

How could the A190 be updated, anyway? You'd have to buy a new eprom.

Joe

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Paul Schulz <dasfonk@w...> wrote:
> Hi list!
> 
> What do you think about an arpeggiator in the manual keyboard, 
perhaps 

> with a clock output (for synchronising a sequencer?). Or is an extra 
> module the better way?
> 
> best,
> paul

Hi list!

What do you think about an arpeggiator in the manual keyboard, perhaps 
with a clock output (for synchronising a sequencer?). Or is an extra 
module the better way?

best,
paul

Hi Joe 

> have just said "Chris decided not to bother" or something like that.
:-))))))))))))))

Florian

Hi,
I thought the a156 quantizer could be used as an arpeggiator?
It's on my list of modules to buy because of this, does anyone own a 
a156? are they any good?

About 2 years ago I sent a few emails to doepfer and had chats with 
emis (uk supplier) about having a master keyboard built to accompany 
the a100, they said there just wasn't any interest in such a 
product, nobody wants one so won't ever build one....haha they were 
wrong!!
After 2 years waiting I will get what I wanted :-D


John.





--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Paul Schulz <dasfonk@w...> 
wrote:
> Hi list!
> 
> What do you think about an arpeggiator in the manual keyboard, 
perhaps 
> with a clock output (for synchronising a sequencer?). Or is an 
extra 

> module the better way?
> 
> best,
> paul

> I thought the a156 quantizer could be used as an arpeggiator?
> It's on my list of modules to buy because of this, does anyone own a 
> a156? are they any good?
> 

i have one and i use it alot.  haven't tried setting it up as an arpegiator  but i 
use it similarly w the 155, to quantize seq'd notes into scales.  then i adjust the 
range on the 155 to widen the range of notes, etc..flip the switches on the 156 
to change chords, and so on.

also very useful w a178 theremin and a198 trautonium controller for accurate 
pitching.  (good to have a slew limiter in there too for applications such as 
this.)

you could easily make an arpegiator w an attenuated lfo running into the 156, 
then into oscillator, with note envelope controlled by a faster-running lfo (or 
other gate source) which triggers an EG->VCA.

would be curious to see how one would set up a patch to work the same way 
as a traditional arpegiator, so you play a chord on the keyboard and the notes 
scale up and down accordingly while an lfo triggers an EG->VCA for note 
envelope control.    not sure how you'd patch the oscillators to get pitch to 
behave in this traditional manner from the keyboard.   seems like once a 
keyboard enters the picture, the 156 would mainly function as a 'note 
corrector' so you'd be limited to whatever notes the quantizer will allow, 
regardless of note played on the keyboard.   would probably need a 
comparator or other logic feature in order to get it to play notes across the 
range of a pitch LFO only when those values match those coming from the 
keyboard.  (??)

anyone?? 

-psm

btw, joe..good call, this would be a no brainer if the 190's arp was 
implimented.   drag.

Hmm. just brainstorming. I don't know how the A190 reacts to chords, 
but if it does trigger a fast gate this could be patched to the A160. 
If you then have a number of A148 S&H's (say 4) and use the A160 
output to trigger you might have the 4 voltages from the chord. These 
could then be used through A155 running in a continuous loop.

It does depend on the timing of the A190 and the speed of the S&H's 
though, but I suppose it's worth a try. 

Or am I talking rubbish here????


> would be curious to see how one would set up a patch to work the 
same way 
> as a traditional arpegiator, so you play a chord on the keyboard 
and the notes 
> scale up and down accordingly while an lfo triggers an EG->VCA for 
note 
> envelope control.    not sure how you'd patch the oscillators to 
get pitch to 
> behave in this traditional manner from the keyboard.   seems like 
once a 
> keyboard enters the picture, the 156 would mainly function as 
a 'note 
> corrector' so you'd be limited to whatever notes the quantizer will 
allow, 
> regardless of note played on the keyboard.   would probably need a 
> comparator or other logic feature in order to get it to play notes 
across the 
> range of a pitch LFO only when those values match those coming from 
the 
> keyboard.  (??)

I use the A156 quite a lot to create arpeggios, using LFOs through a 
mixer for attenuation and the CV Source module to supply an offset 
voltage. Its a very useful and fun module, I highly recommend it.

For keyboard-style arpeggios, where you play a chord and get a 
resulting arpeggio, the only A100-based solution that comes to mind 
would be to use an MCV24 to extract the individual note CVs from 
the chord, and patch them to the A155 external inputs for 
arpeggiation. The A156 wouldn't be needed in that patch, since the 
midi notes would be already quantized.

I suppose you could do the same thing with a polyphonic CV keyboard, 
if one exists.

I mostly use my Waldorf Pulse for keyboard arpeggiation, either 
driving itself or the A100.

Joe

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "pstnotpd <psm@w...>" <psm@w...> 
wrote:
> Hmm. just brainstorming. I don't know how the A190 reacts to chords, 
> but if it does trigger a fast gate this could be patched to the 
A160. 
> If you then have a number of A148 S&H's (say 4) and use the A160 
> output to trigger you might have the 4 voltages from the chord. 
These 
> could then be used through A155 running in a continuous loop.
> 
> It does depend on the timing of the A190 and the speed of the S&H's 
> though, but I suppose it's worth a try. 
> 
> Or am I talking rubbish here????
> 
> 
> > would be curious to see how one would set up a patch to work the 
> same way 
> > as a traditional arpegiator, so you play a chord on the keyboard 
> and the notes 
> > scale up and down accordingly while an lfo triggers an EG->VCA for 
> note 
> > envelope control.    not sure how you'd patch the oscillators to 
> get pitch to 
> > behave in this traditional manner from the keyboard.   seems like 
> once a 
> > keyboard enters the picture, the 156 would mainly function as 
> a 'note 
> > corrector' so you'd be limited to whatever notes the quantizer 
will 
> allow, 
> > regardless of note played on the keyboard.   would probably need a 
> > comparator or other logic feature in order to get it to play notes 
> across the 
> > range of a pitch LFO only when those values match those coming 
from 
> the 
> > keyboard.  (??)

hi joe,
very good suggestion joe!!!!!!i had never thought of
that...
i'll try it sometime....
thank you.
bakis.


--- "Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com>"
<buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> I use the A156 quite a lot to create arpeggios,
> using LFOs through a 
> mixer for attenuation and the CV Source module to
> supply an offset 
> voltage. Its a very useful and fun module, I highly
> recommend it.
> 
> For keyboard-style arpeggios, where you play a chord
> and get a 
> resulting arpeggio, the only A100-based solution
> that comes to mind 
> would be to use an MCV24 to extract the individual
> note CVs from 
> the chord, and patch them to the A155 external
> inputs for 
> arpeggiation. The A156 wouldn't be needed in that
> patch, since the 
> midi notes would be already quantized.
> 
> I suppose you could do the same thing with a
> polyphonic CV keyboard, 
> if one exists.
> 
> I mostly use my Waldorf Pulse for keyboard
> arpeggiation, either 
> driving itself or the A100.
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "pstnotpd
> <psm@w...>" <psm@w...> 
> wrote:
> > Hmm. just brainstorming. I don't know how the A190
> reacts to chords, 
> > but if it does trigger a fast gate this could be
> patched to the 
> A160. 
> > If you then have a number of A148 S&H's (say 4)
> and use the A160 
> > output to trigger you might have the 4 voltages
> from the chord. 
> These 
> > could then be used through A155 running in a
> continuous loop.
> > 
> > It does depend on the timing of the A190 and the
> speed of the S&H's 
> > though, but I suppose it's worth a try. 
> > 
> > Or am I talking rubbish here????
> > 
> > 
> > > would be curious to see how one would set up a
> patch to work the 
> > same way 
> > > as a traditional arpegiator, so you play a chord
> on the keyboard 
> > and the notes 
> > > scale up and down accordingly while an lfo
> triggers an EG->VCA for 
> > note 
> > > envelope control.    not sure how you'd patch
> the oscillators to 
> > get pitch to 
> > > behave in this traditional manner from the
> keyboard.   seems like 
> > once a 
> > > keyboard enters the picture, the 156 would
> mainly function as 
> > a 'note 
> > > corrector' so you'd be limited to whatever notes
> the quantizer 
> will 
> > allow, 
> > > regardless of note played on the keyboard.  
> would probably need a 
> > > comparator or other logic feature in order to
> get it to play notes 
> > across the 
> > > range of a pitch LFO only when those values
> match those coming 
> from 
> > the 
> > > keyboard.  (??)
> 
> 


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Hey bakis, I like the new home page photo! I spy your MCV24 up there 
on top, don't I?

My suggestion of course assumes that, like you, one already has this 
equipment. Used just for this purpose, an MCV24 would be a VERY 
expensive arpeggiator :-o

There'd also be a problem with not knowing how many notes make up the 
chord. The chord size would probably have to be predetermined.

Joe

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:

> hi joe,
> very good suggestion joe!!!!!!i had never thought of
> that...
> i'll try it sometime....
> thank you.
> bakis.
> 
> 
> --- "Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...>"
> <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > I use the A156 quite a lot to create arpeggios,
> > using LFOs through a 
> > mixer for attenuation and the CV Source module to
> > supply an offset 
> > voltage. Its a very useful and fun module, I highly
> > recommend it.
> > 
> > For keyboard-style arpeggios, where you play a chord
> > and get a 
> > resulting arpeggio, the only A100-based solution
> > that comes to mind 
> > would be to use an MCV24 to extract the individual
> > note CVs from 
> > the chord, and patch them to the A155 external
> > inputs for 
> > arpeggiation. The A156 wouldn't be needed in that
> > patch, since the 
> > midi notes would be already quantized.
> > 
> > I suppose you could do the same thing with a
> > polyphonic CV keyboard, 
> > if one exists.
> > 
> > I mostly use my Waldorf Pulse for keyboard
> > arpeggiation, either 
> > driving itself or the A100.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "pstnotpd
> > <psm@w...>" <psm@w...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Hmm. just brainstorming. I don't know how the A190
> > reacts to chords, 
> > > but if it does trigger a fast gate this could be
> > patched to the 
> > A160. 
> > > If you then have a number of A148 S&H's (say 4)
> > and use the A160 
> > > output to trigger you might have the 4 voltages
> > from the chord. 
> > These 
> > > could then be used through A155 running in a
> > continuous loop.
> > > 
> > > It does depend on the timing of the A190 and the
> > speed of the S&H's 
> > > though, but I suppose it's worth a try. 
> > > 
> > > Or am I talking rubbish here????
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > would be curious to see how one would set up a
> > patch to work the 
> > > same way 
> > > > as a traditional arpegiator, so you play a chord
> > on the keyboard 
> > > and the notes 
> > > > scale up and down accordingly while an lfo
> > triggers an EG->VCA for 
> > > note 
> > > > envelope control.    not sure how you'd patch
> > the oscillators to 
> > > get pitch to 
> > > > behave in this traditional manner from the
> > keyboard.   seems like 
> > > once a 
> > > > keyboard enters the picture, the 156 would
> > mainly function as 
> > > a 'note 
> > > > corrector' so you'd be limited to whatever notes
> > the quantizer 
> > will 
> > > allow, 
> > > > regardless of note played on the keyboard.  
> > would probably need a 
> > > > comparator or other logic feature in order to
> > get it to play notes 
> > > across the 
> > > > range of a pitch LFO only when those values
> > match those coming 
> > from 
> > > the 
> > > > keyboard.  (??)
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> =====
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> 
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hey, great suggestion indeed..

i'll take this apportunity to put in yet another wish for 3 or 4 note poly on the 
keyboard and/or TKB.

-psm




--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros <
synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:

> hi joe,
> very good suggestion joe!!!!!!i had never thought of
> that...
> i'll try it sometime....
> thank you.
> bakis.
> 
> 
> --- "Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...>"
> <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > I use the A156 quite a lot to create arpeggios,
> > using LFOs through a 
> > mixer for attenuation and the CV Source module to
> > supply an offset 
> > voltage. Its a very useful and fun module, I highly
> > recommend it.
> > 
> > For keyboard-style arpeggios, where you play a chord
> > and get a 
> > resulting arpeggio, the only A100-based solution
> > that comes to mind 
> > would be to use an MCV24 to extract the individual
> > note CVs from 
> > the chord, and patch them to the A155 external
> > inputs for 
> > arpeggiation. The A156 wouldn't be needed in that
> > patch, since the 
> > midi notes would be already quantized.
> > 
> > I suppose you could do the same thing with a
> > polyphonic CV keyboard, 
> > if one exists.
> > 
> > I mostly use my Waldorf Pulse for keyboard
> > arpeggiation, either 
> > driving itself or the A100.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "pstnotpd
> > <psm@w...>" <psm@w...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Hmm. just brainstorming. I don't know how the A190
> > reacts to chords, 
> > > but if it does trigger a fast gate this could be
> > patched to the 
> > A160. 
> > > If you then have a number of A148 S&H's (say 4)
> > and use the A160 
> > > output to trigger you might have the 4 voltages
> > from the chord. 
> > These 
> > > could then be used through A155 running in a
> > continuous loop.
> > > 
> > > It does depend on the timing of the A190 and the
> > speed of the S&H's 
> > > though, but I suppose it's worth a try. 
> > > 
> > > Or am I talking rubbish here????
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > would be curious to see how one would set up a
> > patch to work the 
> > > same way 
> > > > as a traditional arpegiator, so you play a chord
> > on the keyboard 
> > > and the notes 
> > > > scale up and down accordingly while an lfo
> > triggers an EG->VCA for 
> > > note 
> > > > envelope control.    not sure how you'd patch
> > the oscillators to 
> > > get pitch to 
> > > > behave in this traditional manner from the
> > keyboard.   seems like 
> > > once a 
> > > > keyboard enters the picture, the 156 would
> > mainly function as 
> > > a 'note 
> > > > corrector' so you'd be limited to whatever notes
> > the quantizer 
> > will 
> > > allow, 
> > > > regardless of note played on the keyboard.  
> > would probably need a 
> > > > comparator or other logic feature in order to
> > get it to play notes 
> > > across the 
> > > > range of a pitch LFO only when those values
> > match those coming 
> > from 
> > > the 
> > > > keyboard.  (??)
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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> [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> 
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hi joe,
not really...i think that you can make the mcv24 to
run in 12 notes polyphonic mode(i assume
that).i,only,have make it to run in 4 voices poly
mode,with 8 a111's,sounds awesome,anyway...!so,you
will never need to worry about the number of notes :-)
bakis.



--- "Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com>"
<buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> Hey bakis, I like the new home page photo! I spy
> your MCV24 up there 
> on top, don't I?
> 
> My suggestion of course assumes that, like you, one
> already has this 
> equipment. Used just for this purpose, an MCV24
> would be a VERY 
> expensive arpeggiator :-o
> 
> There'd also be a problem with not knowing how many
> notes make up the 
> chord. The chord size would probably have to be
> predetermined.
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > hi joe,
> > very good suggestion joe!!!!!!i had never thought
> of
> > that...
> > i'll try it sometime....
> > thank you.
> > bakis.
> > 
> > 
> > --- "Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...>"
> > <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > I use the A156 quite a lot to create arpeggios,
> > > using LFOs through a 
> > > mixer for attenuation and the CV Source module
> to
> > > supply an offset 
> > > voltage. Its a very useful and fun module, I
> highly
> > > recommend it.
> > > 
> > > For keyboard-style arpeggios, where you play a
> chord
> > > and get a 
> > > resulting arpeggio, the only A100-based solution
> > > that comes to mind 
> > > would be to use an MCV24 to extract the
> individual
> > > note CVs from 
> > > the chord, and patch them to the A155 external
> > > inputs for 
> > > arpeggiation. The A156 wouldn't be needed in
> that
> > > patch, since the 
> > > midi notes would be already quantized.
> > > 
> > > I suppose you could do the same thing with a
> > > polyphonic CV keyboard, 
> > > if one exists.
> > > 
> > > I mostly use my Waldorf Pulse for keyboard
> > > arpeggiation, either 
> > > driving itself or the A100.
> > > 
> > > Joe
> > > 
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "pstnotpd
> > > <psm@w...>" <psm@w...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hmm. just brainstorming. I don't know how the
> A190
> > > reacts to chords, 
> > > > but if it does trigger a fast gate this could
> be
> > > patched to the 
> > > A160. 
> > > > If you then have a number of A148 S&H's (say
> 4)
> > > and use the A160 
> > > > output to trigger you might have the 4
> voltages
> > > from the chord. 
> > > These 
> > > > could then be used through A155 running in a
> > > continuous loop.
> > > > 
> > > > It does depend on the timing of the A190 and
> the
> > > speed of the S&H's 
> > > > though, but I suppose it's worth a try. 
> > > > 
> > > > Or am I talking rubbish here????
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > would be curious to see how one would set up
> a
> > > patch to work the 
> > > > same way 
> > > > > as a traditional arpegiator, so you play a
> chord
> > > on the keyboard 
> > > > and the notes 
> > > > > scale up and down accordingly while an lfo
> > > triggers an EG->VCA for 
> > > > note 
> > > > > envelope control.    not sure how you'd
> patch
> > > the oscillators to 
> > > > get pitch to 
> > > > > behave in this traditional manner from the
> > > keyboard.   seems like 
> > > > once a 
> > > > > keyboard enters the picture, the 156 would
> > > mainly function as 
> > > > a 'note 
> > > > > corrector' so you'd be limited to whatever
> notes
> > > the quantizer 
> > > will 
> > > > allow, 
> > > > > regardless of note played on the keyboard.  
> > > would probably need a 
> > > > > comparator or other logic feature in order
> to
> > > get it to play notes 
> > > > across the 
> > > > > range of a pitch LFO only when those values
> > > match those coming 
> > > from 
> > > > the 
> > > > > keyboard.  (??)
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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agree about the polyphonic TKB,keyboard...
bakis.


--- "ps_minor <pscottm@hotmail.com>"
<pscottm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> hey, great suggestion indeed..
> 
> i'll take this apportunity to put in yet another
> wish for 3 or 4 note poly on the 
> keyboard and/or TKB.
> 
> -psm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros <
> synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > hi joe,
> > very good suggestion joe!!!!!!i had never thought
> of
> > that...
> > i'll try it sometime....
> > thank you.
> > bakis.
> > 
> > 
> > --- "Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...>"
> > <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > I use the A156 quite a lot to create arpeggios,
> > > using LFOs through a 
> > > mixer for attenuation and the CV Source module
> to
> > > supply an offset 
> > > voltage. Its a very useful and fun module, I
> highly
> > > recommend it.
> > > 
> > > For keyboard-style arpeggios, where you play a
> chord
> > > and get a 
> > > resulting arpeggio, the only A100-based solution
> > > that comes to mind 
> > > would be to use an MCV24 to extract the
> individual
> > > note CVs from 
> > > the chord, and patch them to the A155 external
> > > inputs for 
> > > arpeggiation. The A156 wouldn't be needed in
> that
> > > patch, since the 
> > > midi notes would be already quantized.
> > > 
> > > I suppose you could do the same thing with a
> > > polyphonic CV keyboard, 
> > > if one exists.
> > > 
> > > I mostly use my Waldorf Pulse for keyboard
> > > arpeggiation, either 
> > > driving itself or the A100.
> > > 
> > > Joe
> > > 
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "pstnotpd
> > > <psm@w...>" <psm@w...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hmm. just brainstorming. I don't know how the
> A190
> > > reacts to chords, 
> > > > but if it does trigger a fast gate this could
> be
> > > patched to the 
> > > A160. 
> > > > If you then have a number of A148 S&H's (say
> 4)
> > > and use the A160 
> > > > output to trigger you might have the 4
> voltages
> > > from the chord. 
> > > These 
> > > > could then be used through A155 running in a
> > > continuous loop.
> > > > 
> > > > It does depend on the timing of the A190 and
> the
> > > speed of the S&H's 
> > > > though, but I suppose it's worth a try. 
> > > > 
> > > > Or am I talking rubbish here????
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > would be curious to see how one would set up
> a
> > > patch to work the 
> > > > same way 
> > > > > as a traditional arpegiator, so you play a
> chord
> > > on the keyboard 
> > > > and the notes 
> > > > > scale up and down accordingly while an lfo
> > > triggers an EG->VCA for 
> > > > note 
> > > > > envelope control.    not sure how you'd
> patch
> > > the oscillators to 
> > > > get pitch to 
> > > > > behave in this traditional manner from the
> > > keyboard.   seems like 
> > > > once a 
> > > > > keyboard enters the picture, the 156 would
> > > mainly function as 
> > > > a 'note 
> > > > > corrector' so you'd be limited to whatever
> notes
> > > the quantizer 
> > > will 
> > > > allow, 
> > > > > regardless of note played on the keyboard.  
> > > would probably need a 
> > > > > comparator or other logic feature in order
> to
> > > get it to play notes 
> > > > across the 
> > > > > range of a pitch LFO only when those values
> > > match those coming 
> > > from 
> > > > the 
> > > > > keyboard.  (??)
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
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could you patch an arpegiator using the a113 subharmonic generator?
You could play a c key and programme the a113 to play some other 
keys mix the individual outs using a VC switch or the a155. when you 
pressed a new key the a113 should follow...right?

I can do same thing with the a163 Freq divider but only 2 keys...if 
I bought another one I could then have a 4 note arp playing.


John.