Doepfer

hello bakis,

maybe dieter should also purchase an
analogue solutions sy02 filter for comparison
and take a look at their efforts. they did
really well with the sy02, but dieter can sure
make some improvements like vc of resonance and
the rest of those nasty things you already
mentioned below.

there is another filter i would appreciate, because
it is totally unavailable. i'm speaking of the vintage
yamaha multimode filters. they are a bit weak, but
very creamy and soft. the sound is significantly
different compared with the cem3320 based filters.
the yamaha is (like the korg) made with custom chips.
the slope is 12db for highpass and lowpass and
6db for the bandpass. a long time ago i owned an
yamaha cs20m and i can still remember those creamy
sweeps. but i sold the cm20m because the rest was crap.

best wishes

self oscillate
 


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Dieter Doepfer 
> > To: Bakis Sirros 
> > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 3:36 PM
> > Subject: AW: new filter module on the way???
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> >   Von: Bakis Sirros [mailto:syrros@a...]
> >   Gesendet am: Montag, 24. Marz 2003 13:09
> >   An: Dieter Doepfer
> >   Betreff: new filter module on the way???
> > 
> >   BAKIS:hello dieter,
> >   what do i see in the a100 modules page???a new
> > (A101) ms20 filter module???
> >   some suggestions:of course,individual inputs and
> > outputs for the HPF and the LPF,and,also,individual
> > inputs for Fcut off and Q for both
> > filters!additional options,goodies would be great!as
> > i'm always saying that is better to expand an
> > existing design than to reproduce it....
> >   any more news please.....? 
> > DOEPFER:I met a man at the NAMM who told more about
> the
> > internal details of the MS10/20 filters. From the
> > MS10/20 schematic one cannot see details concering
> > the filter circuit as there is a Korg custom made
> > chip used (KORG35). We are planning to built a
> > prototype of the filter and compare it to the MS20
> > filter (we have a MS20 in the company). As soon as
> > this is finished we will discuss the details
> > (individual audio inputs, control inputs and
> > controls for both filters). News will follow as soon
> > as we receive the first results. 
> >   BAKIS:where are the TKB and a154 polls????? 
> > DOEPFER:Too busy at the moment ..... A-105 (SSM
> filter)
> > design is now finished. The A-105 will be
> > manufactured with the next production series
> > (probably May 2003). As soon as we receive the
> > result of your A-107 poll this will follow and then
> > A-154, TKB and "normal" CV/Gate keyboard.
> > 
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> =====
> synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> athens-greece
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Dieter Doepfer 
> To: Bakis Sirros 
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 3:36 PM
> Subject: AW: new filter module on the way???
> 
> 
> 
>   -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>   Von: Bakis Sirros [mailto:syrros@ath.forthnet.gr]
>   Gesendet am: Montag, 24. Marz 2003 13:09
>   An: Dieter Doepfer
>   Betreff: new filter module on the way???
> 
>   BAKIS:hello dieter,
>   what do i see in the a100 modules page???a new
> (A101) ms20 filter module???
>   some suggestions:of course,individual inputs and
> outputs for the HPF and the LPF,and,also,individual
> inputs for Fcut off and Q for both
> filters!additional options,goodies would be great!as
> i'm always saying that is better to expand an
> existing design than to reproduce it....
>   any more news please.....? 
> DOEPFER:I met a man at the NAMM who told more about
the
> internal details of the MS10/20 filters. From the
> MS10/20 schematic one cannot see details concering
> the filter circuit as there is a Korg custom made
> chip used (KORG35). We are planning to built a
> prototype of the filter and compare it to the MS20
> filter (we have a MS20 in the company). As soon as
> this is finished we will discuss the details
> (individual audio inputs, control inputs and
> controls for both filters). News will follow as soon
> as we receive the first results. 
>   BAKIS:where are the TKB and a154 polls????? 
> DOEPFER:Too busy at the moment ..... A-105 (SSM
filter)
> design is now finished. The A-105 will be
> manufactured with the next production series
> (probably May 2003). As soon as we receive the
> result of your A-107 poll this will follow and then
> A-154, TKB and "normal" CV/Gate keyboard.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer 
> 
> 


=====
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[Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator

__________________________________________________
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Hi,
The Korg MS20 filter is easily one of my favourites, you can 
recognise it anywhere. That is the reason I bought the Analogue 
Solutions SY02 (and an MS10), this filter is so close to the korg.

Dieter has mentioned a few times that he doesn't see the point in 
making modules that are being made by other companies, AS already 
make it. My opinion is don't waste time and money making this filter 
when you could be making something new like the A107 or chaos 
module. I don't think I'll buy one even if you do put new CV inputs 
on it, but probably everyone else will and be your best selling 
module :-D

People have asked before and I am now agreeing with them, how about 
a new VCO?
Doepfer have about 14 filters and only 2 VCO's, one of which is 
close to extinction (a111).

What about a new style ADSR, like the korgs have 'Break Point' 
and 'slope' on their old ones.


I'm sure this will cause a discussion :-D

John.







--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "selfoscillate" 
<synaptic_music@y...> wrote:

> 
> hello bakis,
> 
> maybe dieter should also purchase an
> analogue solutions sy02 filter for comparison
> and take a look at their efforts. they did
> really well with the sy02, but dieter can sure
> make some improvements like vc of resonance and
> the rest of those nasty things you already
> mentioned below.
> 
> there is another filter i would appreciate, because
> it is totally unavailable. i'm speaking of the vintage
> yamaha multimode filters. they are a bit weak, but
> very creamy and soft. the sound is significantly
> different compared with the cem3320 based filters.
> the yamaha is (like the korg) made with custom chips.
> the slope is 12db for highpass and lowpass and
> 6db for the bandpass. a long time ago i owned an
> yamaha cs20m and i can still remember those creamy
> sweeps. but i sold the cm20m because the rest was crap.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> self oscillate
>  
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: Dieter Doepfer 
> > > To: Bakis Sirros 
> > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 3:36 PM
> > > Subject: AW: new filter module on the way???
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > >   Von: Bakis Sirros [mailto:syrros@a...]
> > >   Gesendet am: Montag, 24. Marz 2003 13:09
> > >   An: Dieter Doepfer
> > >   Betreff: new filter module on the way???
> > > 
> > >   BAKIS:hello dieter,
> > >   what do i see in the a100 modules page???a new
> > > (A101) ms20 filter module???
> > >   some suggestions:of course,individual inputs and
> > > outputs for the HPF and the LPF,and,also,individual
> > > inputs for Fcut off and Q for both
> > > filters!additional options,goodies would be great!as
> > > i'm always saying that is better to expand an
> > > existing design than to reproduce it....
> > >   any more news please.....? 
> > > DOEPFER:I met a man at the NAMM who told more about
> > the
> > > internal details of the MS10/20 filters. From the
> > > MS10/20 schematic one cannot see details concering
> > > the filter circuit as there is a Korg custom made
> > > chip used (KORG35). We are planning to built a
> > > prototype of the filter and compare it to the MS20
> > > filter (we have a MS20 in the company). As soon as
> > > this is finished we will discuss the details
> > > (individual audio inputs, control inputs and
> > > controls for both filters). News will follow as soon
> > > as we receive the first results. 
> > >   BAKIS:where are the TKB and a154 polls????? 
> > > DOEPFER:Too busy at the moment ..... A-105 (SSM
> > filter)
> > > design is now finished. The A-105 will be
> > > manufactured with the next production series
> > > (probably May 2003). As soon as we receive the
> > > result of your A-107 poll this will follow and then
> > > A-154, TKB and "normal" CV/Gate keyboard.
> > > 
> > > Best wishes
> > > Dieter Doepfer 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > =====
> > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > athens-greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your 
> desktop!
> > http://platinum.yahoo.com

hi john,
i definitely agree about the chaos module!!!(where is
it???)
and the new vco!
bakis.




--- jmaddocks1975 <jmaddocks1975@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
> The Korg MS20 filter is easily one of my favourites,
> you can 
> recognise it anywhere. That is the reason I bought
> the Analogue 
> Solutions SY02 (and an MS10), this filter is so
> close to the korg.
> 
> Dieter has mentioned a few times that he doesn't see
> the point in 
> making modules that are being made by other
> companies, AS already 
> make it. My opinion is don't waste time and money
> making this filter 
> when you could be making something new like the A107
> or chaos 
> module. I don't think I'll buy one even if you do
> put new CV inputs 
> on it, but probably everyone else will and be your
> best selling 
> module :-D
> 
> People have asked before and I am now agreeing with
> them, how about 
> a new VCO?
> Doepfer have about 14 filters and only 2 VCO's, one
> of which is 
> close to extinction (a111).
> 
> What about a new style ADSR, like the korgs have
> 'Break Point' 
> and 'slope' on their old ones.
> 
> 
> I'm sure this will cause a discussion :-D
> 
> John.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "selfoscillate"
> 
> <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > hello bakis,
> > 
> > maybe dieter should also purchase an
> > analogue solutions sy02 filter for comparison
> > and take a look at their efforts. they did
> > really well with the sy02, but dieter can sure
> > make some improvements like vc of resonance and
> > the rest of those nasty things you already
> > mentioned below.
> > 
> > there is another filter i would appreciate,
> because
> > it is totally unavailable. i'm speaking of the
> vintage
> > yamaha multimode filters. they are a bit weak, but
> > very creamy and soft. the sound is significantly
> > different compared with the cem3320 based filters.
> > the yamaha is (like the korg) made with custom
> chips.
> > the slope is 12db for highpass and lowpass and
> > 6db for the bandpass. a long time ago i owned an
> > yamaha cs20m and i can still remember those creamy
> > sweeps. but i sold the cm20m because the rest was
> crap.
> > 
> > best wishes
> > 
> > self oscillate
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: Dieter Doepfer 
> > > > To: Bakis Sirros 
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 3:36 PM
> > > > Subject: AW: new filter module on the way???
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > > >   Von: Bakis Sirros [mailto:syrros@a...]
> > > >   Gesendet am: Montag, 24. Marz 2003 13:09
> > > >   An: Dieter Doepfer
> > > >   Betreff: new filter module on the way???
> > > > 
> > > >   BAKIS:hello dieter,
> > > >   what do i see in the a100 modules page???a
> new
> > > > (A101) ms20 filter module???
> > > >   some suggestions:of course,individual inputs
> and
> > > > outputs for the HPF and the
> LPF,and,also,individual
> > > > inputs for Fcut off and Q for both
> > > > filters!additional options,goodies would be
> great!as
> > > > i'm always saying that is better to expand an
> > > > existing design than to reproduce it....
> > > >   any more news please.....? 
> > > > DOEPFER:I met a man at the NAMM who told more
> about
> > > the
> > > > internal details of the MS10/20 filters. From
> the
> > > > MS10/20 schematic one cannot see details
> concering
> > > > the filter circuit as there is a Korg custom
> made
> > > > chip used (KORG35). We are planning to built a
> > > > prototype of the filter and compare it to the
> MS20
> > > > filter (we have a MS20 in the company). As
> soon as
> > > > this is finished we will discuss the details
> > > > (individual audio inputs, control inputs and
> > > > controls for both filters). News will follow
> as soon
> > > > as we receive the first results. 
> > > >   BAKIS:where are the TKB and a154 polls????? 
> > > > DOEPFER:Too busy at the moment ..... A-105
> (SSM
> > > filter)
> > > > design is now finished. The A-105 will be
> > > > manufactured with the next production series
> > > > (probably May 2003). As soon as we receive the
> > > > result of your A-107 poll this will follow and
> then
> > > > A-154, TKB and "normal" CV/Gate keyboard.
> > > > 
> > > > Best wishes
> > > > Dieter Doepfer 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > =====
> > > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > > athens-greece
> > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> > > 
> > >
> __________________________________________________
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness,
> live on your 
> > desktop!
> > > http://platinum.yahoo.com
> 
> 


=====
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[Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator

__________________________________________________
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Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!
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Hell yeah, the Yamaha filters sound really sweet. They had an old CS5 at 
my school, and the filters was the best thing on this machine.No idea if 
one can compare them to the filters of the CS80.
Just checked the MOTM leaflet and saw that they also have a Yamaha 
filter ("MOTM-480 resonant filter" that is). Anybody tried it?

cheers,
Paul


selfoscillate wrote:

>
> there is another filter i would appreciate, because
> it is totally unavailable. i'm speaking of the vintage
> yamaha multimode filters. they are a bit weak, but
> very creamy and soft. the sound is significantly
> different compared with the cem3320 based filters.
> the yamaha is (like the korg) made with custom chips.
> the slope is 12db for highpass and lowpass and
> 6db for the bandpass. a long time ago i owned an
> yamaha cs20m and i can still remember those creamy
> sweeps. but i sold the cm20m because the rest was crap.

hello paul,

really, motm is doing a yamaha clone? i didn't know that.
i'll take a closer look at it, but i don't want to
raise another modular ;-)
aaaarrrggghhh where is all the money gone?

best wishes

self oscillate



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Paul Schulz <dasfonk@w...> wrote:
> Hell yeah, the Yamaha filters sound really sweet. They had an old 
CS5 at 
> my school, and the filters was the best thing on this machine.No 
idea if 

> one can compare them to the filters of the CS80.
> Just checked the MOTM leaflet and saw that they also have a Yamaha 
> filter ("MOTM-480 resonant filter" that is). Anybody tried it?
> 
> cheers,
> Paul
> 
> 
> selfoscillate wrote:
> 
> >
> > there is another filter i would appreciate, because
> > it is totally unavailable. i'm speaking of the vintage
> > yamaha multimode filters. they are a bit weak, but
> > very creamy and soft. the sound is significantly
> > different compared with the cem3320 based filters.
> > the yamaha is (like the korg) made with custom chips.
> > the slope is 12db for highpass and lowpass and
> > 6db for the bandpass. a long time ago i owned an
> > yamaha cs20m and i can still remember those creamy
> > sweeps. but i sold the cm20m because the rest was crap.

i agree too.

best wishes

self oscillate


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> hi john,
> i definitely agree about the chaos module!!!(where is
> it???)
> and the new vco!
> bakis.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- jmaddocks1975 <jmaddocks1975@y...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > The Korg MS20 filter is easily one of my favourites,
> > you can 
> > recognise it anywhere. That is the reason I bought
> > the Analogue 
> > Solutions SY02 (and an MS10), this filter is so
> > close to the korg.
> > 
> > Dieter has mentioned a few times that he doesn't see
> > the point in 
> > making modules that are being made by other
> > companies, AS already 
> > make it. My opinion is don't waste time and money
> > making this filter 
> > when you could be making something new like the A107
> > or chaos 
> > module. I don't think I'll buy one even if you do
> > put new CV inputs 
> > on it, but probably everyone else will and be your
> > best selling 
> > module :-D
> > 
> > People have asked before and I am now agreeing with
> > them, how about 
> > a new VCO?
> > Doepfer have about 14 filters and only 2 VCO's, one
> > of which is 
> > close to extinction (a111).
> > 
> > What about a new style ADSR, like the korgs have
> > 'Break Point' 
> > and 'slope' on their old ones.
> > 
> > 
> > I'm sure this will cause a discussion :-D
> > 
> > John.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "selfoscillate"
> > 
> > <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > hello bakis,
> > > 
> > > maybe dieter should also purchase an
> > > analogue solutions sy02 filter for comparison
> > > and take a look at their efforts. they did
> > > really well with the sy02, but dieter can sure
> > > make some improvements like vc of resonance and
> > > the rest of those nasty things you already
> > > mentioned below.
> > > 
> > > there is another filter i would appreciate,
> > because
> > > it is totally unavailable. i'm speaking of the
> > vintage
> > > yamaha multimode filters. they are a bit weak, but
> > > very creamy and soft. the sound is significantly
> > > different compared with the cem3320 based filters.
> > > the yamaha is (like the korg) made with custom
> > chips.
> > > the slope is 12db for highpass and lowpass and
> > > 6db for the bandpass. a long time ago i owned an
> > > yamaha cs20m and i can still remember those creamy
> > > sweeps. but i sold the cm20m because the rest was
> > crap.
> > > 
> > > best wishes
> > > 
> > > self oscillate
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> > > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: Dieter Doepfer 
> > > > > To: Bakis Sirros 
> > > > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 3:36 PM
> > > > > Subject: AW: new filter module on the way???
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >   -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > > > >   Von: Bakis Sirros [mailto:syrros@a...]
> > > > >   Gesendet am: Montag, 24. Marz 2003 13:09
> > > > >   An: Dieter Doepfer
> > > > >   Betreff: new filter module on the way???
> > > > > 
> > > > >   BAKIS:hello dieter,
> > > > >   what do i see in the a100 modules page???a
> > new
> > > > > (A101) ms20 filter module???
> > > > >   some suggestions:of course,individual inputs
> > and
> > > > > outputs for the HPF and the
> > LPF,and,also,individual
> > > > > inputs for Fcut off and Q for both
> > > > > filters!additional options,goodies would be
> > great!as
> > > > > i'm always saying that is better to expand an
> > > > > existing design than to reproduce it....
> > > > >   any more news please.....? 
> > > > > DOEPFER:I met a man at the NAMM who told more
> > about
> > > > the
> > > > > internal details of the MS10/20 filters. From
> > the
> > > > > MS10/20 schematic one cannot see details
> > concering
> > > > > the filter circuit as there is a Korg custom
> > made
> > > > > chip used (KORG35). We are planning to built a
> > > > > prototype of the filter and compare it to the
> > MS20
> > > > > filter (we have a MS20 in the company). As
> > soon as
> > > > > this is finished we will discuss the details
> > > > > (individual audio inputs, control inputs and
> > > > > controls for both filters). News will follow
> > as soon
> > > > > as we receive the first results. 
> > > > >   BAKIS:where are the TKB and a154 polls????? 
> > > > > DOEPFER:Too busy at the moment ..... A-105
> > (SSM
> > > > filter)
> > > > > design is now finished. The A-105 will be
> > > > > manufactured with the next production series
> > > > > (probably May 2003). As soon as we receive the
> > > > > result of your A-107 poll this will follow and
> > then
> > > > > A-154, TKB and "normal" CV/Gate keyboard.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Best wishes
> > > > > Dieter Doepfer 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > =====
> > > > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > > > athens-greece
> > > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> > > > 
> > > >
> > __________________________________________________
> > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness,
> > live on your 
> > > desktop!
> > > > http://platinum.yahoo.com
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> =====
> synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> athens-greece
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your 
desktop!
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hello paul,

i surfed to that page right after i've read you posting :-)
it's a cs-80 filterclone, yum yum. 

best wishes

self oscillate



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Paul Schulz <dasfonk@w...> wrote:

> Hi self osc.
> 
> if you don´t believe then go this link: 
> http://www.synthtech.com/motm480.html
> 
> best,
> P.
> 
> 
> selfoscillate wrote:
> 
> >
> > hello paul,
> >
> > really, motm is doing a yamaha clone? i didn't know that.
> > i'll take a closer look at it, but i don't want to
> > raise another modular ;-)
> > aaaarrrggghhh where is all the money gone?
> >
> > best wishes
> >
> > self oscillate
> >
> >

Hi self osc.

if you don´t believe then go this link: 
http://www.synthtech.com/motm480.html

best,
P.


selfoscillate wrote:

>
> hello paul,
>
> really, motm is doing a yamaha clone? i didn't know that.
> i'll take a closer look at it, but i don't want to
> raise another modular ;-)
> aaaarrrggghhh where is all the money gone?
>
> best wishes
>
> self oscillate
>
>