Doepfer

www.cluboftheknobs.com

Looks like many of the modules a duplicates of dopefer modules behind
mock-up moog modular face plates.

Is this for real or some kind of joke?

Ethan

Who cares what it is?  I won't be paying the kind of money they're 
asking for copies of Moog modules.

Regards,
Kevin Lamb

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "ethanzer0" <ethanzer0@y...> 
wrote:
> www.cluboftheknobs.com
> 
> Looks like many of the modules a duplicates of dopefer modules 
behind

> mock-up moog modular face plates.
> 
> Is this for real or some kind of joke?
> 
> Ethan

But the Moog CE modules are made from the original PCB and panel 
artwork, and many NOS vintage parts (you should know this from AH).  
This stuff is (allegedly) re-designs of old modules in Moog look-
alike panels, but I may be wrong.  Either way, I'll not be spending 
any money on the European stuff because of shipping, duty, etc.

Regards,
Kevin Lamb

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Brandon Daniel <bdu@f...> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2003, klamb000 wrote:
> 
> > Who cares what it is?  I won't be paying the kind of money they're
> > asking for copies of Moog modules.
> 
> If they're true-to-sound copies of the moog modules, I assure you 
there
> are plenty of people who would buy them at the listed prices. 
They're much
> cheaper than the same modules from MoogCE.
> 
> Especially the 960 sequencer and related modules, which has 
functionality

> that none of the currently manufactured analog sequencers match.
> 
> -Brandon
> ___________________________________
> 
> The last time anyone listened
> to a Bush they wandered through
> the desert for 40 years!
> ___________________________________

> Looks like many of the modules a duplicates of dopefer modules 
behind
> mock-up moog modular face plates.

Indeed it does, especially based on many of the (non-Moog) module 
numbers:

915 - 115 audio divider
925 - 125 phase shift
926 - 126 frequency shift
935 - 135 morph cont/VC mixer
938 - 138 mixer
939 - 139 headphone amp
945 - 145 LFO
956 - 156 quantizer

Definitely makes one wonder, but I shall try and keep an open mind 
and not jump to any conclusions...

Tim

once again,huge prices for,pretty much,standard
modules with fancy knobs....
bakis.


--- klamb000 <lamb@charter.net> wrote:
> Who cares what it is?  I won't be paying the kind of
> money they're 
> asking for copies of Moog modules.
> 
> Regards,
> Kevin Lamb
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "ethanzer0"
> <ethanzer0@y...> 
> wrote:
> > www.cluboftheknobs.com
> > 
> > Looks like many of the modules a duplicates of
> dopefer modules 
> behind
> > mock-up moog modular face plates.
> > 
> > Is this for real or some kind of joke?
> > 
> > Ethan
> 
> 


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On Mon, 12 May 2003, klamb000 wrote:

> Who cares what it is?  I won't be paying the kind of money they're
> asking for copies of Moog modules.

If they're true-to-sound copies of the moog modules, I assure you there
are plenty of people who would buy them at the listed prices. They're much
cheaper than the same modules from MoogCE.

Especially the 960 sequencer and related modules, which has functionality
that none of the currently manufactured analog sequencers match.

-Brandon
___________________________________

The last time anyone listened
to a Bush they wandered through
the desert for 40 years!
___________________________________

> Definitely makes one wonder, but I shall try and keep an open mind 
> and not jump to any conclusions...

...but then maybe not. Compare some descriptions against those for 
the Doepfer 'equivalent', for example.:

913 - 114 ring mod
903 - 118 noise
916 - 170 slew limit
911A - 162 trigger delay

They are virtually word-for-word copies! Perhaps Dieter has decided 
to enter the expensive end of the market with some Moog look-alike 
stuff under a different trading name, or has licensed his designs to 
someone else for that purpose; either that or whoever is behind it 
has done a particularly clumsy job of ripping it off!

Tim

On Mon, 12 May 2003, klamb000 wrote:

> But the Moog CE modules are made from the original PCB and panel
> artwork, and many NOS vintage parts (you should know this from AH).
> This stuff is (allegedly) re-designs of old modules in Moog look-
> alike panels, but I may be wrong.

We simply don't know what these new modules are, so to state that MoogCE
is using NOS vintage where the new stuff isn't, well that's a bit
premature. I agree that it's most likely the case here, but even then with
enough attention to detail, a redesign of that sort could still get
sufficiently close to the behavior of the original.

> Either way, I'll not be spending
> any money on the European stuff because of shipping, duty, etc.

Likewise, though a COK sequencing setup + duties would still end up
cheaper than CE.

-Brandon
___________________________________

The last time anyone listened
to a Bush they wandered through
the desert for 40 years!
___________________________________

Brandon,

I never said that the new stuff didn't use NOS components.  What I 
said was that at least if you buy from Mike at CE, you know what 
you're buying.  This is an unknown (and very expensive) commodity... 
one that appears to be Doepfer modules with Moog lipstick.

Regards,
Kevin Lamb

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--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Brandon Daniel <bdu@f...> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2003, klamb000 wrote:
> 
> > But the Moog CE modules are made from the original PCB and panel
> > artwork, and many NOS vintage parts (you should know this from 
AH).
> > This stuff is (allegedly) re-designs of old modules in Moog look-
> > alike panels, but I may be wrong.
> 
> We simply don't know what these new modules are, so to state that 
MoogCE
> is using NOS vintage where the new stuff isn't, well that's a bit
> premature. I agree that it's most likely the case here, but even 
then with

> enough attention to detail, a redesign of that sort could still get
> sufficiently close to the behavior of the original.
> 
> > Either way, I'll not be spending
> > any money on the European stuff because of shipping, duty, etc.
> 
> Likewise, though a COK sequencing setup + duties would still end up
> cheaper than CE.
> 
> -Brandon
> ___________________________________
> 
> The last time anyone listened
> to a Bush they wandered through
> the desert for 40 years!
> ___________________________________

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "klamb000" <lamb@c...> wrote:

>  I'll not be spending any money on the European stuff because of 
> shipping, duty, etc.
> 
> Regards,
> Kevin Lamb

The what are you doing hanging out in a 
Doepfer group?

E

Testy, aren't we?  I just didn't want go throught the trouble of 
typing "The Club Of The Knobs", and the term was used in the course 
of conversation about CotK and US based Moog CE.

Besides, Doepfer is readily available in the US, where as The "Other 
German/European Modular Synthesizer Manufacturer" (is that better?) 
is not.

It's always a pleasure to have one's comments taken out of context.

Regards,
Kevin Lamb


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "ethanzer0" <ethanzer0@y...> 
wrote:

> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "klamb000" <lamb@c...> wrote:
> 
> >  I'll not be spending any money on the European stuff because of 
> > shipping, duty, etc.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Kevin Lamb
> 
> The what are you doing hanging out in a 
> Doepfer group?
> 
> E