Doepfer

HERE IS THE ANSWER FROM DIETER DOEPFER:

--- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@doepfer.de> wrote:
> From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@doepfer.de>
> To: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> CC: "Chris Assall" <software@doepfer.de>
> Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk
> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:44:02 +0100
> 
> > -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: bakis Sirros
> [mailto:synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com]
> > Gesendet am: Freitag, 22. Februar 2002 10:13
> > An: dieter doepfer
> > Betreff: Fwd: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk
> >
> >
> > Note: forwarded message attached.
> 
> All I can say to this message is that the SCHALTWERK
> keeps all promises that are
> made in the advertising. Ans - as far as I know - it
> has no bugs. If a customers
> wants to have additional features that are not
> mentioned in the information of a
> product this is another point (e.g. a soft sync
> input or a linear FM input for
> the A-110 is not mentioned and is thus not
> available).
> Of course we try to add additional features if this
> is possible. But our
> programmer Christian Assall told me that the memory
> of SCHALTWERK is 98% used up
> and it is impossible to add additional features. But
> all features that are
> mentioned in the prospectus will work! We would have
> to redesign the SCHALTWERK
> main board completely, as the processor used is
> fully stretched. A new main
> board would cost at least 250 - 350 Euro and I'm not
> sure if the customers would
> be willing to pay that much for an (hardware and
> software) update.
> 
> And - our time is limited. We cannot realize
> everything that is possible. For
> the next few months we are completely busy with the
> new devices we announced on
> our web site. As far as I can see we have only 3 or
> 4 customers that ask for a
> SCHALTWERK update with new features and I think this
> is not as important as the
> design e.g. of a new device like the sensor keyboard
> or trautonium manual.
> 
> Best regards
> Dieter Doepfer
> Doepfer Musikelektronik GmbH
> http://www.doepfer.de
> email: hardware@doepfer.de
> 
> A copy of this answer is sent to our programmer
> Christian Assall
> (mailto:software@doepfer.de).
> 
>
________________________________________________________________________________
> ___________________
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "buechlerjoe"
> <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> 
> hi joe, re-read the posts concerning the schaltwerk
> on the doepfer ez board
> forum. the regelwerk used some of the
> same boards as the schaltwerk. i own both of them. i
> find that when it comes to
> any Doepfer cpu controlled device,
> they are always short on memory, functions and other
> logic. i am really
> disappointed with the schaltwerk.
> there all kinds of bugs and shortcomings that should
> of been dealt with not now
> but 2 years ago. it's a shame that
> non of these  devices had the proper software
> revisions they deserve. i hear
> that every cpu and memory is maxed
> out, hence the reason they can not upgrade the
> software or add more functions.
> they build the shell of  their
> sequencers like a Mercedes but under power them like
> a 70's Volkswagen beetle.
> function definetely does not
> follow its form when it comes to the schaltwerk and
> the regelwerk.  i hate to
> sound harsh, but it is really sad when
> you have the units and start working with them, only
> to find out how under
> powered they really are. many others
> and i, have voiced our opinions and suggestions to
> better these products. ZIP,
> NADA AND NOTHING has been
> done about it for over a year. i guess they really
> care  about their products.
> everbody(reveiwers and customers)
> chewed out Waldorf, when they released the Q. well
> it's been 3 years and they
> upgraded their software so that
> the product functions properly. why Doepfer can't
> follow through, i have no
> idea. i have every filter doepfer has
> released for my A100.  ask me if i care about the
> A108 filter? ask me if i care
> about rotary potentiometers or
> sliders the pocket control?
> 
> THE ANSWER IS NO AND I MEAN NO .
> 
> start by fixing the products that others and i have
> paid for, so that they can
> function the way they should of been
> right from the start. i don't care  about a 48db
> slope filter, when i can
> achieve the same result by putting a few filters
> in series and have different control which you won't
> have in the proposed model.
> i have actually put off buying more
> A100 modules due the fact that nothing is happening
> with the software. i feel
> used and abused. i am now thinking
> about other systems and sequencers.
> 
> Mr. Doepfer PLEASE RE-READ THE POSTS ON THE
> REGELWERK AND SCHALTWERK ON THE
> DOEPFER EZ BOARD
> AND RECTIFY THE SITUATION. I AM BEGGING NOW, PLEASE
> FINISH THEM SO I CAN GO ON
> MAKING MUSIC WITH
> THESE MACHINES AND MY 12U A100 SYSTEM. I DON'T THINK
> THAT I AM OUT OF LINE
> ASKING FOR THESE
> REQUESTS HAVING INVESTED THE AMOUNT OF MONEY I HAVE
> IN THEM. THANKS FOR READING
> AND
> I HOPE THIS  DOES NOT FALL ON DEAF EARS.
> 
> RM
> 
> P.S. Bakkis i really appreciate the work you have
> done with this board for the
> Doepfer community. Kudos to you,
> my friend. now one small favor, please foward this
> post to Mr. Doepfer, so it
> can make a difference. thanks again
> 
> > > allow changing of patterns to create simple
> song,
> >
> > I understand why Doepfer doesn't want the
> Regelwerk to compete with
> > the Schaltwerk, but a simple solution would be to
> offer an "upgrade"
> > ROM for the Regelwerk, at additional cost, that
> would provide pattern
> > chains or songs, forward backward and pendulum
> modes, and all the
> > other features that have been artificially removed
> from the Regelwerk.
> >
> > Of course, its possible to create simple pattern
> chains by combining
> > the Regelwerk with A100 modules such as the A150
> switch. I frequently
> > do this to create 48-note "AABA" patterns and
> such, using the
> > resulting CV/Gate signal to control an A100 voice,
> or the Spectral
> > Audio Neptune.
> >
> > Still, I picked the Regelwerk over the Schaltwerk
> in order to have an
> > integrated step sequencing/soundshaping
> environment, and I find it
> > more than a little annoying that features that I
> need have been
> > artificially removed from the Regelwerk.
> >
> > Joe
> 


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--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> HERE IS THE ANSWER FROM DIETER DOEPFER:
> 
> --- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@d...> wrote:
> > From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@d...>
> > To: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > CC: "Chris Assall" <software@d...>
> > Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk
> > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:44:02 +0100
> > 
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: bakis Sirros
> > [mailto:synth_freak_2000@y...]
> > > Gesendet am: Freitag, 22. Februar 2002 10:13
> > > An: dieter doepfer
> > > Betreff: Fwd: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Schaltwerk
> > >
> > >
> > > Note: forwarded message attached.
> > 
> > All I can say to this message is that the SCHALTWERK
> > keeps all promises that are
> > made in the advertising. Ans - as far as I know - it
> > has no bugs. > > Of course we try to add additional features if 
> > this is possible. 

But our
> > programmer Christian Assall told me that the memory
> > of SCHALTWERK is 98% used up
> > and it is impossible to add additional features.  

hi mr. Doepfer,  what you said in the above statement is false or 
ambiguous at best. is the memory 98% used up or is it 85% used up as 
mr. Assall points out in the message below? if the memory is 98% used 
up, what happened to the  spare 13%? i hope it didn't take off some 
where on its own.:) would that spare 13% be enough to do the funcions 
i listed in post# 789?   please clarify this.  i hope this was not a 
sedate and pacify tactic or a fogging up of the issue at hand. thanks
regards,
rm

Chris Assall  
ezOP
(7/13/00 8:40:31 am)
Reply 
  Re: update? even possible?
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 Hi

only 2 remarks.

I've never said, that the program memory of Schaltwerk is 100% full.
What you mean is the memory of Regelwerk.
Schaltwerks memory is 85% full.

 


But://sports.yahoo.com

I am no hardware man, but it seems strange to me in these days when you can
my a 256Mb of ram for vitually nothing that it should be so hard to upgrade
the Doepfer memory. I know it is some kind of ROM, but none the less...
really how expensive could it be to just upgrade that to a reasonable level
(even adding a little extra for the future)? If adding patternchaining,
midi-cv functions and such could be done by just increasing memory I would
for sure send mine back to have it upgraded and altered.

Has Chris or anybody named an approximate sum for such an upgrade?

> Chris Assall
> ezOP
> (7/13/00 8:40:31 am)
> Reply
>   Re: update? even possible?
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
>  Hi
>
> only 2 remarks.
>
> I've never said, that the program memory of Schaltwerk is 100% full.
> What you mean is the memory of Regelwerk.
> Schaltwerks memory is 85% full.
>
>
>
>
> But://sports.yahoo.com
>
>
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these machines were planned and built a few years ago, with the 
current state of memory and cpu prices, things were a little 
different back then.

 the fact of the matter is that Doepfer chose to install the minimum 
required to do the functions they planned out in the development 
process or simply ran out due to the complexity of the os. adding a 
few more bytes to the memory and a few more cycles to the cpu would 
have avoided the mess these machines are in right now. i have a 
feeling they did not want to spend the $2.00 to $10.00 extra that 
would have given them the extra cushion needed to expand these 
machines. seems to me, that the machines got shorted, right from the 
beginning. will they ever admit to this error? probably not.if they 
would have planned for it a little better, a few tweaks here and 
there in the code would solve any of these issues.  

about the upgrade, seems to me that they are not interested, because 
they will not be able to sell an upgrade at the cost of parts and 
labor and a small mark up of say 10% for their effort to sastisfy 
their customers. i will use the car industry  model to basically 
describe what happened to these machines. when Ford or GM release a 
car on the market. they are planned, designed, prototyped, tested and 
released into the market place.if something wrong happens, a 
goverment agency steps in and investigates. if the company is found 
to be at fault, it issues a RECALL and fixes the problem pronto and 
at no charge. in Doepfer's case, it was planned, designed, 
prototyped, built and released. the problem is there was a problem 
the planning stage.the memory and cpu were poorly thoughtout and 
implemented.the function set was poorly thought out. the software has 
bugs. the hardware on the outside is functional and skilfully 
produced. in the synth world there is no agency to complain to. 
sounds to me like there should be a recall or an effort to correct 
the mistakes and mishaps, not just for the customers who paid for 
these products and deserve better, but for the pride and image of 
Doepfer Musikelektronik.

 regards,
rm


the --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm" 
<andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> I am no hardware man, but it seems strange to me in these days when 
you can
> my a 256Mb of ram for vitually nothing that it should be so hard to 
upgrade
> the Doepfer memory. I know it is some kind of ROM, but none the 
less...
> really how expensive could it be to just upgrade that to a 
reasonable level
> (even adding a little extra for the future)? If adding 
patternchaining,
> midi-cv functions and such could be done by just increasing memory 
I would
> for sure send mine back to have it upgraded and altered.
> 
> Has Chris or anybody named an approximate sum for such an upgrade?
> 
> 
> > Chris Assall
> > ezOP
> > (7/13/00 8:40:31 am)
> > Reply
> >   Re: update? even possible?
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
----
> > ----------
> >  Hi
> >
> > only 2 remarks.
> >
> > I've never said, that the program memory of Schaltwerk is 100% 
full.
> > What you mean is the memory of Regelwerk.
> > Schaltwerks memory is 85% full.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > But://sports.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >