Doepfer

hi list and doepfer,
please let's end this endless discussion about the
shaltwerk upgrade...dieter will surelly have read by
now all the many emails concerning this matter,so when
he has an answer,he will post it to me or the group!!!
don't forget that this list is about the A100 MODULAR
SYSTEM!!!one can say that MAQ and the shaltwerk are
"extensions",in some way, to the a100 modular,so you
can discuss some things about them here BUT NOT TOO
MUCH,PLEASE!!!there is a section about them in the
doepfer forum!!!as for the regelwerk,this is
primarilly a midi controller so it has almost nothing
to do with the a100 ,so,please stop talking about it
in this list(unless it's about a matter that has to do
with the regelwerk in combination to  the
A100...).again use the specific section of the doepfer
forum!!!
thank you.
p.s.:please,stop talking about porno...ass...and
goatf*****g in this list,too!!!!!!!!!!!





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> as for the regelwerk,this is
> primarilly a midi controller so it has almost nothing
> to do with the a100 ,so,please stop talking about it
> in this list

bakis, I'll respect your wishes, but I don't agree with your 
statement. The regelwerk contains the exact same sequencer engine as 
the Schaltwerk, and it has eight CV/Gate outputs just like the 
Schaltwerk. To me, it's a Schaltwerk minus the dedicated track buttons 
(and, unfortunately, minus a UI to some of the sequencer's functions), 
and with the addition of midi faders. It seems artificial to say the 
the Schaltwerk and MAQ are extensions of the A100, and the Regelwerk 
is not.

But I won't talk about it here unless I'm using it to trigger the 
A100, or using A100 modules to modify the Regelwerk's CV/Gate signals, 
or using the faders to adjust A100 parameters so I don't have to 
handle the A100 knobs and risk accidently dislodging loose patch 
cables ;)

Joe

Hi Bakis,

  > list is about the A100 MODULAR

yes, it`s my opinion, too!!!

Therefore:
Let`s diskuss about the A-100!!

Let`s diskuss about sounds!!!
For example:
How can I create a rain-sound? With A-118 => A-121 //A-148 => ...?
With A-117 - Digital Noise ... ? 
Or:
Which vowel-formants can I generate with A-127, A-128 ... ?

By the way: Any patches for the Modular-Planet   ;-)   ???

Josef

First of all... don't shoot the messenger. Who is actually to blame, the
customer with the bad hairdo or the hairdresser?

Now to the point. I would never have brought up regelwerk in here unless it
was manufactured by said company and said to be the perfect tool and
accompanyment for making cv-loops to run the A100. So bare with me and you
might even get an idea of what I wanted to do with it and the A100. Here we
go:

I wanted a step sequencer that could output more than one cv and one gate.
Why? I wanted to make stepping changes to filters and modulations in my
A100. So what I wanted was to have one line that controlled the pitch of the
VCO another in sync that modified the QCV and Frq of the A122 and another to
changes the PCV of the A111. Basicly I wanted the same control over the loop
as Midi-CCs give me over my K2000rs. None of this works for me cause I
haven't gotten around to syncing my loop with my midi-sequencer. I may be
possible but the manual doesn't make me understand how. I can't chain
patterns which makes it very repetitive and dull in a song... So I went out
and bought a midi-cv converter which is now broken(will have to fix that)
which leaves me with a sequencer that doesn't do anything for me.

I didn't pay small money for the regelwerk, I choose it cause the exterior
looked proffessional and the salesman insured me it was as good as an analog
sequencer gets. The specs seemed good to. B.t.w. the car comparison faults
cause it there is no air-conditioner, no stereo or wooden panels - you can
buy them in the deluxe upgrade for any brand if you like. I would gladly pay
say a 100 euro to have all the things I think could be expected from the
regelwerk. Perhaps more if they convince me that new hardware indeed
justifies it, but still I think I have paid for it cause 700 Euro isn't toys
money to me.

Btw, Bakkis DON'T BY A REGELWERK. Wait for the upgrades otherwise you too
will be waiting in vane.

AS for the general problem about upgrades I think it was solved good with
the MAQ16/3 and could be done the same way. Included in new models and for a
cost to those who want it in their old machines. Nothing strange about
that...

All said in as friendly a tone as possible;)
/Andreas

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> o.k.,
> all i can say is that my 4 a155's(they have only 8
> steps each...) don't have any patterns or chaining or
> anything

you can chain them by using the A151 sequential switch. pretty 
standard. if you are using the square wave from an lfo to clock your 
A155 , use another slower lfo and patch the triangle wave the trigger 
input on the A151 and watch what happens. this will set the A151 into 
a random mode. no repetition here.

here is a famous tangerine dream trick that is really cool. take the 
pre out from the A155 and patch it to the cv1 input on A110 or A111 
vco then take the post output from the A155 and patch it to the cv2 
input, now turn the the pot clockwise and see what happens. phaedra 
comes to mind.if you are using an A111 mult the post output and patch 
one to cv2 input . now take the other and patch it into lin. fm 
input. again turn the knob and listen. 

now you can use an lfo to control a A130 lin. vca with the post out 
as the source and to the cv2 input for voltage control of the input. 
do the same if you want withe lin. fm input. ta da nice sweeps that 
can synced to any clock or source you want that outputs a gate which 
you patch into the reset of the lfo. now you can use a trigger from 
one or all four of your A155's trig. out to sync the lfo.  you can 
also use A S&H module in the mix to make it more stepped. just 
experiment and remember to bend the rules.enjoy i hope this helps 
after the barrage schaltwerk postings .enjoy.
cheers,
RM
  



and i still can make the sound far from

> repetative by adding the output cv from the a155 to a
> slow changing LFO triangle output...this way you can
> have ALWAYS CHANGING patterns.of course you can have
> always changing patterns by hundreds of other ways in
> a modular system,too, just use your imagination...but
> i CAN sync my a155's to midi clock,that is
> basic/important to me...i think this MUST be possible
> with the regelwerk!!!just ask chris assall or doepfer
> how exactly you can achieve that!!!
> synthfreak
> 
> 
> 
> --- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> wrote:
> > First of all... don't shoot the messenger. Who is
> > actually to blame, the
> > customer with the bad hairdo or the hairdresser?
> > 
> > Now to the point. I would never have brought up
> > regelwerk in here unless it
> > was manufactured by said company and said to be the
> > perfect tool and
> > accompanyment for making cv-loops to run the A100.
> > So bare with me and you
> > might even get an idea of what I wanted to do with
> > it and the A100. Here we
> > go:
> > 
> > I wanted a step sequencer that could output more
> > than one cv and one gate.
> > Why? I wanted to make stepping changes to filters
> > and modulations in my
> > A100. So what I wanted was to have one line that
> > controlled the pitch of the
> > VCO another in sync that modified the QCV and Frq of
> > the A122 and another to
> > changes the PCV of the A111. Basicly I wanted the
> > same control over the loop
> > as Midi-CCs give me over my K2000rs. None of this
> > works for me cause I
> > haven't gotten around to syncing my loop with my
> > midi-sequencer. I may be
> > possible but the manual doesn't make me understand
> > how. I can't chain
> > patterns which makes it very repetitive and dull in
> > a song... So I went out
> > and bought a midi-cv converter which is now
> > broken(will have to fix that)
> > which leaves me with a sequencer that doesn't do
> > anything for me.
> > 
> > I didn't pay small money for the regelwerk, I choose
> > it cause the exterior
> > looked proffessional and the salesman insured me it
> > was as good as an analog
> > sequencer gets. The specs seemed good to. B.t.w. the
> > car comparison faults
> > cause it there is no air-conditioner, no stereo or
> > wooden panels - you can
> > buy them in the deluxe upgrade for any brand if you
> > like. I would gladly pay
> > say a 100 euro to have all the things I think could
> > be expected from the
> > regelwerk. Perhaps more if they convince me that new
> > hardware indeed
> > justifies it, but still I think I have paid for it
> > cause 700 Euro isn't toys
> > money to me.
> > 
> > Btw, Bakkis DON'T BY A REGELWERK. Wait for the
> > upgrades otherwise you too
> > will be waiting in vane.
> > 
> > AS for the general problem about upgrades I think it
> > was solved good with
> > the MAQ16/3 and could be done the same way. Included
> > in new models and for a
> > cost to those who want it in their old machines.
> > Nothing strange about
> > that...
> > 
> > All said in as friendly a tone as possible;)
> > /Andreas
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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hi josef,
an easy way to create rain sounds is by using the
random output of the a118 module to modulate the
cut-off of the a121,right??but as for what vowel
sounds you can create with what settings of the a128
or the a127(or the a104...)i really don't know.is any
way that you can predict what settings you need for
specific vowel sounds???
if you know that please share your knowledge with
us...
synthfreak
p.s.:when i find some time i'll send you a patch for
your planet...


--- modularplanet <webmaster@modular-planet.de> wrote:
> Hi Bakis,
> 
>   > list is about the A100 MODULAR
> 
> yes, it`s my opinion, too!!!
> 
> Therefore:
> Let`s diskuss about the A-100!!
> 
> Let`s diskuss about sounds!!!
> For example:
> How can I create a rain-sound? With A-118 => A-121
> //A-148 => ...?
> With A-117 - Digital Noise ... ? 
> Or:
> Which vowel-formants can I generate with A-127,
> A-128 ... ?
> 
> By the way: Any patches for the Modular-Planet   ;-)
>   ???
> 
> Josef
> 
> 


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well said, love the customer with bad hairdo line. LOL :) nice to see 
someone has a sense of humour here. don't forget humour is the key to 
a happy life when all is said and done.
cheers,
RM



--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm" 
<andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> First of all... don't shoot the messenger. Who is actually to 
blame, the
> customer with the bad hairdo or the hairdresser?
> 
> Now to the point. I would never have brought up regelwerk in here 
unless it
> was manufactured by said company and said to be the perfect tool and
> accompanyment for making cv-loops to run the A100. So bare with me 
and you
> might even get an idea of what I wanted to do with it and the A100. 
Here we
> go:
> 
> I wanted a step sequencer that could output more than one cv and 
one gate.
> Why? I wanted to make stepping changes to filters and modulations 
in my
> A100. So what I wanted was to have one line that controlled the 
pitch of the
> VCO another in sync that modified the QCV and Frq of the A122 and 
another to
> changes the PCV of the A111. Basicly I wanted the same control over 
the loop
> as Midi-CCs give me over my K2000rs. None of this works for me 
cause I
> haven't gotten around to syncing my loop with my midi-sequencer. I 
may be
> possible but the manual doesn't make me understand how. I can't 
chain
> patterns which makes it very repetitive and dull in a song... So I 
went out
> and bought a midi-cv converter which is now broken(will have to fix 
that)
> which leaves me with a sequencer that doesn't do anything for me.
> 
> I didn't pay small money for the regelwerk, I choose it cause the 
exterior
> looked proffessional and the salesman insured me it was as good as 
an analog
> sequencer gets. The specs seemed good to. B.t.w. the car comparison 
faults
> cause it there is no air-conditioner, no stereo or wooden panels - 
you can
> buy them in the deluxe upgrade for any brand if you like. I would 
gladly pay
> say a 100 euro to have all the things I think could be expected 
from the
> regelwerk. Perhaps more if they convince me that new hardware indeed
> justifies it, but still I think I have paid for it cause 700 Euro 
isn't toys
> money to me.
> 
> Btw, Bakkis DON'T BY A REGELWERK. Wait for the upgrades otherwise 
you too
> will be waiting in vane.
> 
> AS for the general problem about upgrades I think it was solved 
good with
> the MAQ16/3 and could be done the same way. Included in new models 
and for a
> cost to those who want it in their old machines. Nothing strange 
about

> that...
> 
> All said in as friendly a tone as possible;)
> /Andreas

o.k.,
all i can say is that my 4 a155's(they have only 8
steps each...) don't have any patterns or chaining or
anything and i still can make the sound far from
repetative by adding the output cv from the a155 to a
slow changing LFO triangle output...this way you can
have ALWAYS CHANGING patterns.of course you can have
always changing patterns by hundreds of other ways in
a modular system,too, just use your imagination...but
i CAN sync my a155's to midi clock,that is
basic/important to me...i think this MUST be possible
with the regelwerk!!!just ask chris assall or doepfer
how exactly you can achieve that!!!
synthfreak



--- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com>
wrote:
> First of all... don't shoot the messenger. Who is
> actually to blame, the
> customer with the bad hairdo or the hairdresser?
> 
> Now to the point. I would never have brought up
> regelwerk in here unless it
> was manufactured by said company and said to be the
> perfect tool and
> accompanyment for making cv-loops to run the A100.
> So bare with me and you
> might even get an idea of what I wanted to do with
> it and the A100. Here we
> go:
> 
> I wanted a step sequencer that could output more
> than one cv and one gate.
> Why? I wanted to make stepping changes to filters
> and modulations in my
> A100. So what I wanted was to have one line that
> controlled the pitch of the
> VCO another in sync that modified the QCV and Frq of
> the A122 and another to
> changes the PCV of the A111. Basicly I wanted the
> same control over the loop
> as Midi-CCs give me over my K2000rs. None of this
> works for me cause I
> haven't gotten around to syncing my loop with my
> midi-sequencer. I may be
> possible but the manual doesn't make me understand
> how. I can't chain
> patterns which makes it very repetitive and dull in
> a song... So I went out
> and bought a midi-cv converter which is now
> broken(will have to fix that)
> which leaves me with a sequencer that doesn't do
> anything for me.
> 
> I didn't pay small money for the regelwerk, I choose
> it cause the exterior
> looked proffessional and the salesman insured me it
> was as good as an analog
> sequencer gets. The specs seemed good to. B.t.w. the
> car comparison faults
> cause it there is no air-conditioner, no stereo or
> wooden panels - you can
> buy them in the deluxe upgrade for any brand if you
> like. I would gladly pay
> say a 100 euro to have all the things I think could
> be expected from the
> regelwerk. Perhaps more if they convince me that new
> hardware indeed
> justifies it, but still I think I have paid for it
> cause 700 Euro isn't toys
> money to me.
> 
> Btw, Bakkis DON'T BY A REGELWERK. Wait for the
> upgrades otherwise you too
> will be waiting in vane.
> 
> AS for the general problem about upgrades I think it
> was solved good with
> the MAQ16/3 and could be done the same way. Included
> in new models and for a
> cost to those who want it in their old machines.
> Nothing strange about
> that...
> 
> All said in as friendly a tone as possible;)
> /Andreas
> 
> 


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games
http://sports.yahoo.com

o.k.,
all i can say is that my 4 a155's(they have only 8
steps each...) don't have any patterns or chaining or
anything and i still can make the sound far from
repetative by adding the output cv from the a155 to a
slow changing LFO triangle output...this way you can
have ALWAYS CHANGING patterns.of course you can have
always changing patterns by hundreds of other ways in
a modular system,too, just use your imagination...but
i CAN sync my a155's to midi clock,that is
basic/important to me...i think this MUST be possible
with the regelwerk!!!just ask chris assall or doepfer
how exactly you can achieve that!!!
synthfreak



--- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com>
wrote:
> First of all... don't shoot the messenger. Who is
> actually to blame, the
> customer with the bad hairdo or the hairdresser?
> 
> Now to the point. I would never have brought up
> regelwerk in here unless it
> was manufactured by said company and said to be the
> perfect tool and
> accompanyment for making cv-loops to run the A100.
> So bare with me and you
> might even get an idea of what I wanted to do with
> it and the A100. Here we
> go:
> 
> I wanted a step sequencer that could output more
> than one cv and one gate.
> Why? I wanted to make stepping changes to filters
> and modulations in my
> A100. So what I wanted was to have one line that
> controlled the pitch of the
> VCO another in sync that modified the QCV and Frq of
> the A122 and another to
> changes the PCV of the A111. Basicly I wanted the
> same control over the loop
> as Midi-CCs give me over my K2000rs. None of this
> works for me cause I
> haven't gotten around to syncing my loop with my
> midi-sequencer. I may be
> possible but the manual doesn't make me understand
> how. I can't chain
> patterns which makes it very repetitive and dull in
> a song... So I went out
> and bought a midi-cv converter which is now
> broken(will have to fix that)
> which leaves me with a sequencer that doesn't do
> anything for me.
> 
> I didn't pay small money for the regelwerk, I choose
> it cause the exterior
> looked proffessional and the salesman insured me it
> was as good as an analog
> sequencer gets. The specs seemed good to. B.t.w. the
> car comparison faults
> cause it there is no air-conditioner, no stereo or
> wooden panels - you can
> buy them in the deluxe upgrade for any brand if you
> like. I would gladly pay
> say a 100 euro to have all the things I think could
> be expected from the
> regelwerk. Perhaps more if they convince me that new
> hardware indeed
> justifies it, but still I think I have paid for it
> cause 700 Euro isn't toys
> money to me.
> 
> Btw, Bakkis DON'T BY A REGELWERK. Wait for the
> upgrades otherwise you too
> will be waiting in vane.
> 
> AS for the general problem about upgrades I think it
> was solved good with
> the MAQ16/3 and could be done the same way. Included
> in new models and for a
> cost to those who want it in their old machines.
> Nothing strange about
> that...
> 
> All said in as friendly a tone as possible;)
> /Andreas
> 
> 


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games
http://sports.yahoo.com

but
> i CAN sync my a155's to midi clock,that is
> basic/important to me...i think this MUST be possible
> with the regelwerk!!!just ask chris assall or doepfer
> how exactly you can achieve that!!!
> synthfreak
> 
> 
syncing the A155's to midi clock is not a problem. it has to do with 
the fact i don't want to play every part at once. i only have two 
hands and ten fingers. if the Schaltwerk could do tied notes, then i 
could use a channel to do basslines. next i could use a channel to 
affect the cut-off on the filter for the bassline. use another 
channel for some basic melody. next i use 4 channels to trigger 
Analogue Solutions drum modules. i can save these patterns and 
improvise with them. this leaves me with two hands to tweak the two 
A155's in my A100 in realtime completely synced up as well as play 
mono lines from my SH-101 cv and gate outputs connected to my A100 
and use its onboard sequencer well. when the Schaltwerk can do tied 
notes and hopefully slides, i will then get my SH-101 modded so i can 
use it as a sound source triggered by the schaltwerk and use the 
keyboard to trigger my A100 and or both if possible.

if the schaltwerk did tied notes i would only need it to do all of 
the above. that is not the case, so i have to use another sequencer 
top of that and a midi2cv box.just more room for error, not mention 
more gear to lug around and more cables. there you go, so now you can 
hopefully understand why i am adamant about that feature added to my 
Schalterk, when it should been there in the first place. when it 
happens i will be able to ditch the other sequencers and midi2cv box. 
i will be able to sequence my A100 and other sources happily and not 
have to use a computer. there you go. i am done the explaining the 
virtues having an upgrade done. i will only comment on the 
Schaltwerk  for ideas to the upgrade or to anyone who has questions 
about using one.

peace out and may the upgrade come soon.
regards,
rm

but
> i CAN sync my a155's to midi clock,that is
> basic/important to me...i think this MUST be possible
> with the regelwerk!!!just ask chris assall or doepfer
> how exactly you can achieve that!!!
> synthfreak
> 
> 
syncing the A155's to midi clock is not a problem. it has to do with 
the fact i don't want to play every part at once. i only have two 
hands and ten fingers. if the Schaltwerk could do tied notes, then i 
could use a channel to do basslines. next i could use a channel to 
affect the cut-off on the filter for the bassline. use another 
channel for some basic melody. next i use 4 channels to trigger 
Analogue Solutions drum modules. i can save these patterns and 
improvise with them. this leaves me with two hands to tweak the two 
A155's in my A100 in realtime completely synced up as well as play 
mono lines from my SH-101 cv and gate outputs connected to my A100 
and use its onboard sequencer well. when the Schaltwerk can do tied 
notes and hopefully slides, i will then get my SH-101 modded so i can 
use it as a sound source triggered by the schaltwerk and use the 
keyboard to trigger my A100 and or both if possible.

if the schaltwerk did tied notes i would only need it to do all of 
the above. that is not the case, so i have to use another sequencer 
top of that and a midi2cv box.just more room for error, not mention 
more gear to lug around and more cables. there you go, so now you can 
hopefully understand why i am adamant about that feature added to my 
Schaltwerk, when it should been there in the first place. hopefully 
all the discussion concerning the Schaltwerk will amount to 
something. when it happens i will be able to ditch the other 
sequencers and midi2cv box. i will be able to sequence my A100 and 
other sources happily and not have to use a computer. there you go. i 
am done the explaining the virtues having an upgrade done. i will 
only comment on the Schaltwerk  for ideas to the upgrade or to anyone 
who has questions about using one.

peace out and may the upgrade come soon.
regards,
rm

RE: tied notes on Schalt/Regalwerk. Not owning either unit, I'm not 
sure how the clocks run, but would it be possible to alter the
rhythms 
ala the Polyphony article I posted in the files section? Just 
curious...

-andrew bunny

hi andrew,please send me an email with the paragraphs in mind and i 
will reply . i have problem reading your pdf file. sorry, maybe you 
can enlarge it a bit so i can read properly. thanks. 
l8r,
RM 



--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "andrewdalio" <bunnyman@s...> wrote:

> RE: tied notes on Schalt/Regalwerk. Not owning either unit, I'm not 
> sure how the clocks run, but would it be possible to alter the
> rhythms 
> ala the Polyphony article I posted in the files section? Just 
> curious...
> 
> -andrew bunny