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Something in defence of the A 100

2002-02-25 by Roel Steverink

Hi all,

I want to say something in defence of this mighty system!

As you all could read I began with basic system 2 (with A 190). Modular synthesis was new to me. I was always used to the fixed and prefixed ways from the manufacturer in analog synths. Getting in a position where you actually can penetrate into the heart of the system by cv was totally new. 
As I'm not a technician of some sort, it took me quit a time to get into it. 
I think others here on the list know what I'm talking about. 
I surfed the internet for tutorials and advice, looked in books and so on. 
But from the start I seem to had golden fingers, cause I couldn't believe me ears what sounds came out of it, just by trying. All sorts of sounds I got out of it, even bouncing sounds. 

Allen Strange's book as really opened up this new world and I began to understand who thinks worked. 

When it comes to sound, it's arbitary, it's one's taste. I have several old analogs around me and I very well know the sounds of roland, moog, korg and teisco f.e. To my ears the a 110 standard VCO delivers the goods, all four of the waveforms, just becombine sine and triangle and a great bass sound emerges out of you speakers! The A 120 LPF is also warm and full of character. O yes, some users had strange reactions with waveforms on this filter. This happens with a sine and triangle. If you tweak the filter after 5, then the sound goes away, pops up again and stays in the background at position 10, same goes for the triangle. I read in the Stranges' book that this normal, due to the frequency of the sine and triangle waves!
The A 121 Multimode is a very strong one looking at it's possibilities. I made a patch where I used a A 148 and triggered the frequency, also several waveforms from the LFO, all of sudden, I was amazed when I turned the frequency knob of multimode and discovered that along the whole scale the sound changed drastically!!! Every milimeter I shifted the know a new sound popped up. The variety was incredible: from deep drops, sizzling noise to metal like and even bird twittering. This filter self resonates with true power!
A 115 Audio Divider plug in the cv of the filter and in no time you have the brightest and deepest sparklings. 

Just wondered: you only can input square waves which are divided into four. How can you extent the range in sounds? Maby putting it through the multi mode! 

Really difficult ones are the Wavefrom processor and Distortion/waveshaper. I patched the A 116 many results, but the expected drastic changes do not appear. Same goes for the A 136, Doepfer promises in the manual that you even get constantly changes waveforms. Any one know how to do it???

The only drawback for me are some of the cables. The grey ones. I have three cables which won't make proper contact with the CV of the A 110. I noticed that other users have the same problem. I have so far no problems with the red and blue ones (O, I love these colours!!!).  By the wya red are 80 cm and the blue 1.20 cm.

No other problems did I encounter and I'm very happy with my system, now building up row four! I think I have room for meaby 8 rows. That the benefit if you have little space left, this system fits in nicely. Believe me I wanted a big modular, but I haven't got the space for it. 

I'm on a tight budget too and I'm glad the prices are so low, so I can afford them. For me it's a dream come true and I thank Doepfer for giving a lot of people this opportunity to own and use a real modular!!!

Happy sound hunting,

Roel.

PS Yes, let it rain with the A 100.  


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You, you - maniacs =)

2002-02-26 by Andreas Lindholm

Please all take note of the smiley! ;)

After reading about the pretty massive systems most of you seem to have I
don't understand what kind of money you spend on this! Also noted  the fact
that a few seem to own systems from different makers I have a few questions.

First of all I am considering buying a row or two(actually just a bigger
case and fill it in the future) of Analog Solutions integrator just because
it is supposed to be compatible with dopefer. Anybody own an AS system? Have
you successfully managed to mix doepfer and AS modules? And finally is the
AS midi-cv module as good or better than doepfers? I find it more spec'd and
cheaper and also that it would take less space in the rack. I am considering
this to again reconnect to my A100 using midi.

/Andreas

A little about that touch keyboard

2002-02-26 by Andreas Lindholm

If the touch keyboard would amount to anything good I would say that it
should either exclude all sequencer functions or they should be very
carefully thought out. There is as far as I understand it no point in adding
something that if very limited when there are several other solutions to do
it better. So I say NO - sequencer or one that really works in a practical
sense (that includes 16,8,4 half and whole notes) start/stop sync from midi
a few chainable patterns at least...

But since I don't like playing on dead surfaces I won't buy one anyway ;)

Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard

2002-02-26 by bakis Sirros

hi andreas,
the sequencer in the sensor keyboard will be one of
the more creative sequencers from doepfer(my
opinion...)you will be able to activate or deactivate
steps on the fly,to change the sequence lenght on the
fly and these things to me are far more important than
the ability to store or chain patterns....of course it
will be able to start/stop and sync to midi that's
basic stuff,anyway...as for the note length,i think i
can control that by the apropriate triggers settings
in one of my a155 that i will have synced to the
sensor keyboard and to midi,if i want,but again,i
don't know what the exact sequencer functions will
be,so i cannot say that it will not have variable note
lenght...of course if i want more complex note lenght
settings i turn to my computer sequencer(a
state-of-the-art ATARI 1040 ST...;-)...)
the only think that worries me is if i will have the
money to buy 2 of them!!!(the sensor keyb.,i mean)

synthfreak

--- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com>
wrote:
> If the touch keyboard would amount to anything good
> I would say that it
> should either exclude all sequencer functions or
> they should be very
> carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> understand it no point in adding
> something that if very limited when there are
> several other solutions to do
> it better. So I say NO - sequencer or one that
> really works in a practical
> sense (that includes 16,8,4 half and whole notes)
> start/stop sync from midi
> a few chainable patterns at least...
> 
> But since I don't like playing on dead surfaces I
> won't buy one anyway ;)
> 
> 


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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Something in defence of the A 100

2002-02-26 by bakis Sirros

hi roel,
i agree with you on the a120(i love it's sound),as for
the mini-jacks i only had minor problems,nothing
more...all of my cables are from doepfer and they work
fine...and of course i, too, beleive that the doepfer
is a system that can give us the ability to built a
big system because of the right price.
by the way,do you know anything about the "macula
transfer" album i told you about??
synthfreak



--- Roel Steverink <roel.steverink@12move.nl> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I want to say something in defence of this mighty
> system!
> 
> As you all could read I began with basic system 2
> (with A 190). Modular synthesis was new to me. I was
> always used to the fixed and prefixed ways from the
> manufacturer in analog synths. Getting in a position
> where you actually can penetrate into the heart of
> the system by cv was totally new. 
> As I'm not a technician of some sort, it took me
> quit a time to get into it. 
> I think others here on the list know what I'm
> talking about. 
> I surfed the internet for tutorials and advice,
> looked in books and so on. 
> But from the start I seem to had golden fingers,
> cause I couldn't believe me ears what sounds came
> out of it, just by trying. All sorts of sounds I got
> out of it, even bouncing sounds. 
> 
> Allen Strange's book as really opened up this new
> world and I began to understand who thinks worked. 
> 
> When it comes to sound, it's arbitary, it's one's
> taste. I have several old analogs around me and I
> very well know the sounds of roland, moog, korg and
> teisco f.e. To my ears the a 110 standard VCO
> delivers the goods, all four of the waveforms, just
> becombine sine and triangle and a great bass sound
> emerges out of you speakers! The A 120 LPF is also
> warm and full of character. O yes, some users had
> strange reactions with waveforms on this filter.
> This happens with a sine and triangle. If you tweak
> the filter after 5, then the sound goes away, pops
> up again and stays in the background at position 10,
> same goes for the triangle. I read in the Stranges'
> book that this normal, due to the frequency of the
> sine and triangle waves!
> The A 121 Multimode is a very strong one looking at
> it's possibilities. I made a patch where I used a A
> 148 and triggered the frequency, also several
> waveforms from the LFO, all of sudden, I was amazed
> when I turned the frequency knob of multimode and
> discovered that along the whole scale the sound
> changed drastically!!! Every milimeter I shifted the
> know a new sound popped up. The variety was
> incredible: from deep drops, sizzling noise to metal
> like and even bird twittering. This filter self
> resonates with true power!
> A 115 Audio Divider plug in the cv of the filter and
> in no time you have the brightest and deepest
> sparklings. 
> 
> Just wondered: you only can input square waves which
> are divided into four. How can you extent the range
> in sounds? Maby putting it through the multi mode! 
> 
> Really difficult ones are the Wavefrom processor and
> Distortion/waveshaper. I patched the A 116 many
> results, but the expected drastic changes do not
> appear. Same goes for the A 136, Doepfer promises in
> the manual that you even get constantly changes
> waveforms. Any one know how to do it???
> 
> The only drawback for me are some of the cables. The
> grey ones. I have three cables which won't make
> proper contact with the CV of the A 110. I noticed
> that other users have the same problem. I have so
> far no problems with the red and blue ones (O, I
> love these colours!!!).  By the wya red are 80 cm
> and the blue 1.20 cm.
> 
> No other problems did I encounter and I'm very happy
> with my system, now building up row four! I think I
> have room for meaby 8 rows. That the benefit if you
> have little space left, this system fits in nicely.
> Believe me I wanted a big modular, but I haven't got
> the space for it. 
> 
> I'm on a tight budget too and I'm glad the prices
> are so low, so I can afford them. For me it's a
> dream come true and I thank Doepfer for giving a lot
> of people this opportunity to own and use a real
> modular!!!
> 
> Happy sound hunting,
> 
> Roel.
> 
> PS Yes, let it rain with the A 100.  
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 


=====
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[Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator

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Okey, just can't stay out of improoving the touch key...

2002-02-27 by Andreas Lindholm

This is uncanny Bakis, activate and deactivate is the way regelwerk and
shaltwerk works, then you can set notepitch and loop lenght and that's it. I
fear that the same old chip is used again... please do ask doepfer if that
is the case. It would be a sad day indeed if they decided to just throw in
that old 95% or 80% filled cpu/rom just to add another feature.

 If I was a serious harware designer I wouldn't do it like that. A more
sensible solution to me as a modular user would be to leave an empty
expansion slot in the machine and then work seriously on a seqencer
expansion board for thoose who want to buy that later. That would also leave
the track of light / semilight version and have ONE quality products with
expansion possibilities. I also think that is a concept that sells better
cause everybody will be able to buy the basic machine and they will probably
yearn for the expansion as we all do for new modules for the A100 and buy
the expansion in a near future when the have the money.

And while they are at it why not make the new super-seqencer module in
A100format and the slot in the touchkeyboard in size to accept said module?
Then it would sell well for both formats... this said to avoid the argument
of "that won't sell" issues.

/Andreas


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From: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard


> hi andreas,
> the sequencer in the sensor keyboard will be one of
> the more creative sequencers from doepfer(my
> opinion...)you will be able to activate or deactivate
> steps on the fly,to change the sequence lenght on the
> fly and these things to me are far more important than
> the ability to store or chain patterns....of course it
> will be able to start/stop and sync to midi that's
> basic stuff,anyway...as for the note length,i think i
> can control that by the apropriate triggers settings
> in one of my a155 that i will have synced to the
> sensor keyboard and to midi,if i want,but again,i
> don't know what the exact sequencer functions will
> be,so i cannot say that it will not have variable note
> lenght...of course if i want more complex note lenght
> settings i turn to my computer sequencer(a
> state-of-the-art ATARI 1040 ST...;-)...)
> the only think that worries me is if i will have the
> money to buy 2 of them!!!(the sensor keyb.,i mean)
>
> synthfreak
>
> --- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com>
> wrote:
> > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything good
> > I would say that it
> > should either exclude all sequencer functions or
> > they should be very
> > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> > understand it no point in adding
> > something that if very limited when there are
> > several other solutions to do
> > it better. So I say NO - sequencer or one that
> > really works in a practical
> > sense (that includes 16,8,4 half and whole notes)
> > start/stop sync from midi
> > a few chainable patterns at least...
> >
> > But since I don't like playing on dead surfaces I
> > won't buy one anyway ;)
> >
> >
>
>
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> athens-greece
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
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