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tools for synchro start

2005-09-26 by Florian Anwander

Hi,

I am looking for something, that assumingly does not exist. ;-/ Let me
describe it:

We are several guys making improvised music with different type of
sequencers, drummachines, arpeggiators. We do realy create the patterns
  live, so we cannot start all the seq/drum/arpggs at the same time
(most of the gear does not allow pattern creation in play mode).
Some of the gear is 40 years old, some is latest laptop stuff. So there
is MIDI-Clock, Din-Sync and simple 16th trigger with separate start/stop
controle.

What I am looking for is a set of hardware tools:
- The first tool should read the clock and start/stop signals from a
master (or create the clock on its own). From this masterclock it should
create a kind of "flag" trigger at the first beat of each bar (or every
second/fourth/eight... bar). It should send the clock, the standard
start/stop signal and the additional flag trigger.

- the second tool should read the clock and this flag trigger at its
input. It should have also a button "local start". When I hit the button
"local start" the tool should send a start signal (and of course the
clock itself) to its output.

- the third part should convert all this to different types of clocks
and star stop signals.


I could imagine, that the tools #1 and #2 use MIDI-Clock and tool #3
could be a standard MIDI-converter.

Does anyone know about some gear that is able to do this? Or did anyone
ever try something like this?

I could realize this with diy'ing for DIN-Sync and analog trigger, but I
am out of the business when it affects MIDI.

regards, Florian

RE: [Doepfer_a100] tools for synchro start

2005-09-26 by n keller

Florian,

I'm not sure if this helps and it doesn't cover all your needs.....

I sometimes use my swedish drum machine (now with sampling! :} )  as a 
clock/trigger source.  There are 6 outputs, and I can use voices which are 
set up as Impulses for triggers.   A 16th note pattern could be my clock at 
one output and I could have a start of measure trigger on another output.  
Changing the preset "beat" pattern would be like changing to different clock 
divisions and trigger patterns, as long as you set up some presets of 
course.  Then with muting tracks live (your local start) and even using the 
song editor you can do a bunch ahead of time and on the fly.  Of course, you 
can also edit the pattern live, chain patterns together..... and add 
SHUFFLE/SWING.......awesome.  Sometimes I use a shuffled trigger pattern 
from the drum machine and a CV pattern from the MAQ 16/3 to make shuffled 
synth loops.

So anyway,  if you have one of these you've probably thought of this.  If 
you don't have one, borrow one and try it out.  so many possibilities.    I 
asked the swedes to release a dedicated sequencer based on their drum 
machine (and now synth) but they didn't see the point.  Shame.

Good luck.

nick



>From: Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
>Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>To: A100 <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [Doepfer_a100] tools for synchro start
>Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:02:13 +0200
>
>Hi,
>
>I am looking for something, that assumingly does not exist. ;-/ Let me
>describe it:
>
>We are several guys making improvised music with different type of
>sequencers, drummachines, arpeggiators. We do realy create the patterns
>   live, so we cannot start all the seq/drum/arpggs at the same time
>(most of the gear does not allow pattern creation in play mode).
>Some of the gear is 40 years old, some is latest laptop stuff. So there
>is MIDI-Clock, Din-Sync and simple 16th trigger with separate start/stop
>controle.
>
>What I am looking for is a set of hardware tools:
>- The first tool should read the clock and start/stop signals from a
>master (or create the clock on its own). From this masterclock it should
>create a kind of "flag" trigger at the first beat of each bar (or every
>second/fourth/eight... bar). It should send the clock, the standard
>start/stop signal and the additional flag trigger.
>
>- the second tool should read the clock and this flag trigger at its
>input. It should have also a button "local start". When I hit the button
>"local start" the tool should send a start signal (and of course the
>clock itself) to its output.
>
>- the third part should convert all this to different types of clocks
>and star stop signals.
>
>
>I could imagine, that the tools #1 and #2 use MIDI-Clock and tool #3
>could be a standard MIDI-converter.
>
>Does anyone know about some gear that is able to do this? Or did anyone
>ever try something like this?
>
>I could realize this with diy'ing for DIN-Sync and analog trigger, but I
>am out of the business when it affects MIDI.
>
>regards, Florian
>
>

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RE: [Doepfer_a100] tools for synchro start

2005-09-26 by ALX002

Hey Florian

I'm searching the same Magical BOX......

I have this link:
http://home.netspeed.com.au/aistorm/sync2.html

But this box has a High cost and has just a midi out
Port. I would like this same box but with 3  START
BUTTON SYNC and with Midi beat clock out + DYN SYNC
OUT + CLOCK CV OUT to be compatible with all analog
gears.

I'm ready to buy a box like that for 230 EUROS

ALEX


--- n keller <nirokesan@hotmail.com> a écrit :


---------------------------------
Florian,

I'm not sure if this helps and it doesn't cover all
your needs.....

I sometimes use my swedish drum machine (now with
sampling! :} )  as a 
clock/trigger source.  There are 6 outputs, and I can
use voices which are 
set up as Impulses for triggers.   A 16th note pattern
could be my clock at 
one output and I could have a start of measure trigger
on another output.  
Changing the preset "beat" pattern would be like
changing to different clock 
divisions and trigger patterns, as long as you set up
some presets of 
course.  Then with muting tracks live (your local
start) and even using the 
song editor you can do a bunch ahead of time and on
the fly.  Of course, you 
can also edit the pattern live, chain patterns
together..... and add 
SHUFFLE/SWING.......awesome.  Sometimes I use a
shuffled trigger pattern 
from the drum machine and a CV pattern from the MAQ
16/3 to make shuffled 
synth loops.

So anyway,  if you have one of these you've probably
thought of this.  If 
you don't have one, borrow one and try it out.  so
many possibilities.    I 
asked the swedes to release a dedicated sequencer
based on their drum 
machine (and now synth) but they didn't see the point.
 Shame.

Good luck.

nick



>From: Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
>Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>To: A100 <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [Doepfer_a100] tools for synchro start
>Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:02:13 +0200
>
>Hi,
>
>I am looking for something, that assumingly does not
exist. ;-/ Let me
>describe it:
>
>We are several guys making improvised music with
different type of
>sequencers, drummachines, arpeggiators. We do realy
create the patterns
>   live, so we cannot start all the seq/drum/arpggs
at the same time
>(most of the gear does not allow pattern creation in
play mode).
>Some of the gear is 40 years old, some is latest
laptop stuff. So there
>is MIDI-Clock, Din-Sync and simple 16th trigger with
separate start/stop
>controle.
>
>What I am looking for is a set of hardware tools:
>- The first tool should read the clock and start/stop
signals from a
>master (or create the clock on its own). From this
masterclock it should
>create a kind of "flag" trigger at the first beat of
each bar (or every
>second/fourth/eight... bar). It should send the
clock, the standard
>start/stop signal and the additional flag trigger.
>
>- the second tool should read the clock and this flag
trigger at its
>input. It should have also a button "local start".
When I hit the button
>"local start" the tool should send a start signal
(and of course the
>clock itself) to its output.
>
>- the third part should convert all this to different
types of clocks
>and star stop signals.
>
>
>I could imagine, that the tools #1 and #2 use
MIDI-Clock and tool #3
>could be a standard MIDI-converter.
>
>Does anyone know about some gear that is able to do
this? Or did anyone
>ever try something like this?
>
>I could realize this with diy'ing for DIN-Sync and
analog trigger, but I
>am out of the business when it affects MIDI.
>
>regards, Florian
>
>

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] tools for synchro start

2005-09-27 by Florian Anwander

Hi Alex

> I have this link:
> http://home.netspeed.com.au/aistorm/sync2.html
This is really already close to what I am looking for. I'd only need 
converters for MIDI-to-DINSync and DIN-Sync-to-analog-Clock.

> But this box has a High cost and has just a midi out
> Port. 
I didn't find any pricing.

Florian

AW: [Doepfer_a100] tools for synchro start

2005-09-27 by Dieter Doepfer

Look at the MSY2....

Dieter Doepfer
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> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Florian Anwander
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. September 2005 09:26
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] tools for synchro start
>
>
> Hi Alex
>
> > I have this link:
> > http://home.netspeed.com.au/aistorm/sync2.html
> This is really already close to what I am looking for. I'd only need
> converters for MIDI-to-DINSync and DIN-Sync-to-analog-Clock.
>
> > But this box has a High cost and has just a midi out
> > Port.
> I didn't find any pricing.
>
> Florian
>
>
>
>
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