From: "markfrancombe" <mark@...>
To: <ElektorFormant@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 11:46 PM
Subject: [ElektorFormant] Re: New Member, also here for repair and upgrade
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> Sound good Laurie
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> > There is nothing clever about it and it exactly the same process as
> making
> > an ordinary pcb
>
> Ha ha..if only I knew what THAT was!!!
>
>
> just no tracks. I have created a set of `components' that
> > contain the overlay I want and then simply place them on my pcb
> layout
> > adding text and borders as required as you can see in the attached
> sample.
>
> WHat does that mean??? WHAT does a PCB layout look like? Are we
> talking about a graphic file here? tif etc I noticed that your
> example was a PDF, (was didnt get attatched here in Yahoo groups, so
> couldnt view it)
>
> >
> > The pcb itself is a conventional pcb (although a thicker type can
> be used
> > for added strength).
>
> Maybe not ness..
>
>
> The manufacturer drills (larger) holes for the
> > components instead of (small) holes for resistors etc, etches away
> all of
> > the copper (!) and then silkscreens the overlay (panel design) and
> hey
> > presto a front-panel.
>
> understood all that..!
>
>
> There is now a choice of colours for both the pcb and
> > the overlay but White on Green works really well and looks great in
> a wooden
> > cabinet. Elector used to do White on Blue. If you want you can add
> a solid
> > plain on the (bottom layer) back of the panel to provide a ground
> plane.
>
> I think I would prefer a standard White text on Black background..
> call me dull if you like!!
>
>
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> >
> > I supply standard pcb files (Protel in my case) which the pcb
> manufacturer
> > process as normal,
>
> OK... when you say Protel.. is this a program? How does one make a
> Protel file?
>
> As a graphic designer, I can easily prepare "graphic files" scanned
> from the manual (assuming they are the correct size.. have to check)
>
> So what would be my next step ten Laurie? YOu can see the panels I
> will need at
>
> http://www.markfrancombe.com/gear/
>
> Theres another question to other Formant owners, If I am to install
> into a regular 19" rack, I should adjust the height of my panels to
> fit, FOrmant seems to be very weird sizes.. some modules seem to be
> nearly 3U high, and some nearly 5 U.. but I got a weird thing, of the
> taller variety, there seems to be 2 sizes.. VCO's and VCF is one
> height and the 24bdVCF and the RFM filter are a tiny bit bigger...!!
> WHat the HELL is the meaning of this? Was this a mistake by the
> person who built my synth originally or were they like that.. and
> why????
>
>
> > Best Regards
> >
> > (Mr) Laurie Biddulph
> >
> > Elby Designs
> > ABN: 70 022 727 605
> > http://www.elby-designs.com
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "markfrancombe" <mark@m...>
> > To: <ElektorFormant@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 6:40 PM
> > Subject: [ElektorFormant] Re: New Member, also here for repair and
> upgrade
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > replying ON-list to a reply OFF-list. Maybe other list members
> want
> > > this info?
> > >
> > > > What about pcb front panels? The panels are small enough to not
> > > have any
> > > > flexing problems (could always go for extra thick pcbs if you
> > > wanted). The
> > > > pcbs come in a number of colours and you can get the silkscreen
> in
> > > a variety
> > > > of colours. They usually use laser quality printing so except
> for
> > > the finest
> > > > details you get good results. Elektor actually did do pcb front
> > > panels for a
> > > > number of years and I was quite pleased with the results - and
> that
> > > was over
> > > > 25 years ago!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > That sounds like a plan! I would be happy to get together on the
> > > cost, but Im afraid I don't kow exactly what you are talking
> about. I
> > > have never made/had made pcbs before so Im not sure what process
> you
> > > are refering to.. are there companies that do this? if so what
> kind
> > > of artwork do you supply? ANd Im SURE that pcb's would be strong
> > > enough.
> > >
> > > (Aha.. Now I see, I followed your URL, this is what you DO...!!
> > > Cool!!!
> > >
> > > Has anyone used the Scaefffer method here? They do seem to have a
> > > VERY cool system. YOu download their panel designer program, it
> looks
> > > at your design and gives a quote (amount of engraved
> letters /holes
> > > drilled, that kinda thing) It does seem like a HELLUVA lot of
> work to
> > > enter all the details of all the panels into their prog in the
> first
> > > place. (One nifty feature that is lacking would be the ability to
> > > import a picture to use as a guide...) I am completelt terrible at
> > > measuring and would def get it one. The BIG advantage of this
> method
> > > is that once designed into their system, the files could be
> stored on
> > > the List FIles area, for ANYONE to order duplicates from Schaffer.
> > > BTW.... They AINT DIRT CHEAP!! But look good. USed by Oakely
> systems
> > > for his modulars...
> > >
> > > http://www.schaeffer-ag.de/index.php?
> > > &option=com_frontpage&Itemid=205&lang=en
> > >
> > > mark francombe
> > > www.markfrancombe.com
> > > mobile +47 98296008
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Laurie Biddulph" <elby_designs@o...>
> > > To: <info@m...>
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 3:56 AM
> > > Subject: From your web page - Elektor Formant panels
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > What about pcb front panels? The panels are small enough to not
> > > have any
> > > > flexing problems (could always go for extra thick pcbs if you
> > > wanted). The
> > > > pcbs come in a number of colours and you can get the silkscreen
> in
> > > a variety
> > > > of colours. They usually use laser quality printing so except
> for
> > > the finest
> > > > details you get good results. Elektor actually did do pcb front
> > > panels for a
> > > > number of years and I was quite pleased with the results - and
> that
> > > was over
> > > > 25 years ago!!!!!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > I do most of my panel designs using Protel, meaning PCB options
> are
> > > dead
> > > > easy. I have toyed with the idea of doing Formant panels myself
> so
> > > if you
> > > > are interested maybe we could do a joint job to help reduce
> costs.
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards
> > > >
> > > > (Mr) Laurie Biddulph
> > > >
> > > > Elby Designs
> > > > ABN: 70 022 727 605
> > > > http://www.elby-designs.com
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