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Excellent advice!

Excellent advice!

2004-10-11 by Michael C Lesko

Thanks Vic! Excellent advice. I will certainly look into the units you suggested!
Michael
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Why not get an EMU Proteus or another Rompler to satisfy your dance sound needs. For sure you would have lightning fast load times of your sounds. I suggest the Proteus as you are already using an EMU product.
The problem with Samplers (Even the recent Yahaha A-series) Is that the samples must have power to remain memory resident. Once you power off your sampler, you have to reload all samples again. Even with SCSI, this is extremely slow. Probably why samplers as a whole stopped being made (Except as an added feature within the newer workstations) Of course PC based sample playback systems are quite a bit faster just because of the architecture of the PC and bus. I use Giga studio myself. Even it takes a bit to load all samples before you can use them. Nothing like the delay of hardware samplers though. It used to take forever for my A3000 to load everything I wanted to use. I do have a problem dragging a PC out live though. It just doesn't seem right to me. I know people are doing it though, all the time. For sure, the day of the PC taking over the modules as a sound source are near. Go check out some analog modeling VSTi's and/or Gigastudio. Make sure you listen throu! gh a good audio interface and a descent set of monitors. Be prepared to be impressed.
From what you are asking here: I believe a Rompler would be your best bet for instantaneous access to the sounds you need to use in a live environment.
My two cents and some >>
Regards,
Vic

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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:11:19 -0400
From: "Michael C Lesko"
Subject: Thanks to all / A sampler problem

Hi All,

Thanks again for the great advice! Had one more question, really a problem
that's come up this
past we! ekend at my bands practice. My apologies if this is off topic here
but playing sequences
straight from my SD-1 works just great. A little slow from the disk but
fast enough not to be
a problem. My problem is that so many of the dance songs we do have pretty
heavy use of
samples. Currently I midi an EMU ESI-32 through my SD-1 but it loads so
slow and can't
hardly hold any great amount of samples in it's memory. My question is, on
an extremely tight
budget, is there any sampler you can suggest where I can have quick - or at
least quicker access
to pretty big samples? It just can't cost a fortune. Lot's of great stuff
out there that is just impossible
to get because I can't afford it.

By the way here's a little info on me.
http://www.geocities.com/michaelclesko I'm an artist by trade
and if ever I can repay the kindness of so many on this board, I'd gladly
help at no charge. About all
I can do for anyone is artwork but that c! omes in handy sometimes with logos,
promo stuff, etc. Let
me know if I can ever help.

Thanks!

Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry"
To:
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 2:22 PM
Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: Sequencing at gigs


>
>
> Michael,
> There are lightning systems (or rather lighting controllers) that
> accept MIDI controls. It is actually quite fun to program lights via
> MIDI, because it is as easy as hitting the corresponding key on the
> keyboard that syncs with the desired lighting can. It is a matter of
> MIDI note numbers. You read the MIDI layout of the controller (or
> set them up how you want to on the controller), and hit the
> corresponding note on the keyboard that transmits that particular
> MIDI note number.
> The same applies to doing effects and other program changes. In my> setup in California when I was doing much solo shows than I currently
> do, I used my Ensoniq SQ2 to send program changes to my Alesus
> MIDIVerb II. When there was a particular solo that I wanted a lot of
> delay on, I would hit that track button while in preet mode and it
> would send a program change (on the MIDI channel assigned to the
> MIDIVerb II), to the efx unit and change presets to accomodate the
> new efx program. When I went back to the original sound, I simply
> hit that button and it sent the original program back to the Alesis.
> It is all a matter of numbers and channels.
> Sometimes, you have more devices than channels as well (when you
> combine a very track sequence with the assigned device MIDI channels,
> you might have more than 16 things going at once), and what I did was
> have a MIDI mapper to send out on two or more MIDI outputs at any
> given time, so I could accomodate! all of that. Additionally, I also
>; had so many keyboards on stage that I would have up to 3 boards with
> the ability to send MIDI out to other boards and devices. What that
> required was a programmable MIDI patch bay. On any given song, I
> would be able to control any device from up to 3 other devices (one
> at a time of course), and those changes were sent to the MIDI patch
> bay via program # from the master keyboard, which was always in
> control.
> The downside to the Roland sequencer, is that I can only transmit
> on 16 channels all the time, so I have to be judicious in which board
> is controlling what.
> Since I now have the VFX (the SQ2 mainly stays in the studio now),
> I will probably use that to send changes to everything else and have
> the VFX get its program changes from the Roland. I might have to get
> another patch bay and start using it live again to make it happen,
> b! ut that is the price of total control.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Harry Ebbeson III
> Ebbeson Management Group
> www.geocities.com/ebbrecords
>
>
>
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Re: Excellent advice!

2004-10-12 by luvmyhonda2

Your Welcome Michael. 
Having fooled around with allot of different equipment over the 
years. I have come to the realization (at least for me anyway) that   
simplicity is really the key for me to being creative. Waiting around 
for things to happen with samples loading or moving cables around, 
etc just kills the moments at times. That is why I love these new 
virtaul synths and the software samplers. All your patch settings, 
tweaks, reverbs, etc stay within your song creation. Reload the song 
file and all the settings you made have stayed (Somewhat off topic 
but relevant)

You know, EMU also made a line of Dance oriented modules. From the 
Morpheus to the Planet Phat to the Mo'phat I believe was the last 
one. These things were loaded with dance and electronica type sounds. 
The Proteus was more of an all around piece that catered to many 
Genres. You may look into the more dance modules to fufill your needs.

Hope you find what you're looking for.

Vic

--- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Michael C Lesko" 
<MichaelL33@p...> wrote:
> Thanks Vic!  Excellent advice.  I will certainly look into the 
units you suggested!
> 
> Michael
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Midi Maniac 
>   To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:07 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Digest Number 566
> 
> 
>   Why not get an EMU Proteus or another Rompler to satisfy your 
dance sound needs. For sure you would have lightning fast load times 
of your sounds. I suggest the Proteus as you are already using an EMU 
product. 
> 
>   The problem with Samplers (Even the recent Yahaha A-series) Is 
that the samples must have power to remain memory resident. Once you 
power off your sampler, you have to reload all samples again. Even 
with SCSI, this is extremely slow. Probably why samplers as a whole 
stopped being made (Except as an added feature within the newer 
workstations) Of course PC based sample playback systems are quite a 
bit faster just because of the architecture of the PC and bus. I use 
Giga studio myself. Even it takes a bit to load all samples before 
you can use them. Nothing like the delay of hardware samplers though. 
It used to take forever for my A3000 to load everything I wanted to 
use. I do have a problem dragging a PC out live though. It just 
doesn't seem right to me. I know people are doing it though, all the 
time. For sure, the day of the PC taking over the modules as a sound 
source are near. Go check out some analog modeling VSTi's and/or 
Gigastudio. Make sure you listen throu! gh a good audio interface and 
a descent set of monitors. Be prepared to be impressed. 
> 
>   From what you are asking here: I believe a Rompler would be your 
best bet for instantaneous access to the sounds you need to use in a 
live environment.
> 
>   My two cents and some >>
> 
>   Regards,
>   Vic
> 
>   Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> 
> 
>     There is 1 message in this issue.
> 
>     Topics in this digest:
> 
>     1. Thanks to all / A sampler problem
>     From: "Michael C Lesko" 
> 
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>     
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>     Message: 1 
>     Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:11:19 -0400
>     From: "Michael C Lesko" 
>     Subject: Thanks to all / A sampler problem
> 
>     Hi All,
> 
>     Thanks again for the great advice! Had one more question, 
really a problem
>     that's come up this
>     past we! ekend at my bands practice. My apologies if this is 
off topic here
>     but playing sequences
>     straight from my SD-1 works just great. A little slow from the 
disk but
>     fast enough not to be
>     a problem. My problem is that so many of the dance songs we do 
have pretty
>     heavy use of
>     samples. Currently I midi an EMU ESI-32 through my SD-1 but it 
loads so
>     slow and can't
>     hardly hold any great amount of samples in it's memory. My 
question is, on
>     an extremely tight
>     budget, is there any sampler you can suggest where I can have 
quick - or at
>     least quicker access
>     to pretty big samples? It just can't cost a fortune. Lot's of 
great stuff
>     out there that is just impossible
>     to get because I can't afford it.
> 
>     By the way here's a little info on me.
>     http://www.geocities.com/michaelclesko I'm an artist by trade
>     and if ever I can repay the kindness of so many on this board, 
I'd gladly
>     help at no charge. About all
>     I can do for anyone is artwork but that c! omes in handy 
sometimes with logos,
>     promo stuff, etc. Let
>     me know if I can ever help.
> 
>     Thanks!
> 
>     Michael
> 
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: "Harry" 
>     To: 
>     Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 2:22 PM
>     Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: Sequencing at gigs
> 
> 
>     >
>     >
>     > Michael,
>     > There are lightning systems (or rather lighting controllers) 
that
>     > accept MIDI controls. It is actually quite fun to program 
lights via
>     > MIDI, because it is as easy as hitting the corresponding key 
on the
>     > keyboard that syncs with the desired lighting can. It is a 
matter of
>     > MIDI note numbers. You read the MIDI layout of the controller 
(or
>     > set them up how you want to on the controller), and hit the
>     > corresponding note on the keyboard that transmits that 
particular
>     > MIDI note number.
>     > The same applies to doing effects and other program changes. 
In my> setup in California when I was doing much solo shows than I 
currently
>     > do, I used my Ensoniq SQ2 to send program changes to my Alesus
>     > MIDIVerb II. When there was a particular solo that I wanted a 
lot of
>     > delay on, I would hit that track button while in preet mode 
and it
>     > would send a program change (on the MIDI channel assigned to 
the
>     > MIDIVerb II), to the efx unit and change presets to 
accomodate the
>     > new efx program. When I went back to the original sound, I 
simply
>     > hit that button and it sent the original program back to the 
Alesis.
>     > It is all a matter of numbers and channels.
>     > Sometimes, you have more devices than channels as well (when 
you
>     > combine a very track sequence with the assigned device MIDI 
channels,
>     > you might have more than 16 things going at once), and what I 
did was
>     > have a MIDI mapper to send out on two or more MIDI outputs at 
any
>     > given time, so I could accomodate! all of that. Additionally, 
I also
>     > had so many keyboards on stage that I would have up to 3 
boards with
>     > the ability to send MIDI out to other boards and devices. 
What that
>     > required was a programmable MIDI patch bay. On any given 
song, I
>     > would be able to control any device from up to 3 other 
devices (one
>     > at a time of course), and those changes were sent to the MIDI 
patch
>     > bay via program # from the master keyboard, which was always 
in
>     > control.
>     > The downside to the Roland sequencer, is that I can only 
transmit
>     > on 16 channels all the time, so I have to be judicious in 
which board
>     > is controlling what.
>     > Since I now have the VFX (the SQ2 mainly stays in the studio 
now),
>     > I will probably use that to send changes to everything else 
and have
>     > the VFX get its program changes from the Roland. I might have 
to get
>     > another patch bay and start using it live again to make it 
happen,
>     > b! ut that is the price of total control.
>     >
>     > Thank you,
>     >
>     > Harry Ebbeson III
>     > Ebbeson Management Group
>     > www.geocities.com/ebbrecords
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Yahoo! Groups Links
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
> 
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