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Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Digest Number 387

Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Digest Number 387

2003-10-09 by Steve Wahl

On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 01:25:11PM -0000, Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Message: 2
>    Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:30:49 +0200
>    From: hans-artmann@...
> Subject: RE: Digest Number 386
>
> [ I wrote about freeDOS ]
> 
> Yes this might work, but: you must make sure that you have a FAT32 partition
> on your harddisk to store the data. A NTFS partition cannot be accessed from
> the floppy booted system. And the partition should not be compressed unsless
> you are prepared to cope with rather complicated measures.
> 
> Another idea is to install a plain DOS partition with enough space for the
> data as a boot option. For this you could also use freeDOS I guess.

Ahh, I should have been a bit more thorough in expressing my thoughts.

Although I haven't tried it or even looked at the numbers, I would
think a bootable freedos disk, on a 1.44 M floppy (with just
command.com, nothing else non-essential), would have space for both
the geibler utility and the 800k disk image.  So you could do it all
from the floppy.

Am I too optimistic here?  You could also put freedos on one floppy
and the geibler utility and disk image on a second floppy.  No need to
reformat a hard disk for this.

I just downloaded ede109.zip; EDE.EXE is 61632 bytes in the zip file.
So I think there should be plenty of space on a 1.44M floppy.

DOH! EDE is probably not able to read the source file from one floppy
while trying to write it to another floppy!  Grr...  You could still
do it with a ramdisk of some sort; any modern machine that doesn't
have a FAT32 partition will have plenty of RAM.

OK, here's how it can be done:  I put together a version of freedos
for anyone who needs it.  http://www2.pro-ns.net/~steve/fdvfx.zip.
It makes a floppy-bootable version of freedos that starts up with a
ramdisk.  After extracting the archive, make a floppy with it
(install.bat does this for you), then copy EDE.EXE and whatever vfx
disk image you want to use on the floppy.  Boot from the floppy, pause
and reflect how slow floppies feel in the modern day, and when you get
the Z:\> prompt, run ede.  (I pretty much successfully tested this
process myself).

Anybody providing disk images is welcome to make a copy of this for
their own distribution.  Heck, anybody NOT providing disk images is
welcome as well...

NOTE:  I have virus checkers on my system, BUT would still be
interested in having others check it for viruses to make sure I'm not
committing a no-no here.

And, by the way, I don't use DOS or Freedos or anything like that on a
regular basis.  I don't prefer or recommend freedos over any other
options, except that I could create this and distribute it to the rest
of you without any license problems.

--> Steve

RE: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Digest Number 387

2003-10-13 by hans-artmann@t-online.de

Steve. I tried your freeDos image and it works excellent. There is only one
thing I can't understand:
I can access a FAT32 partition I have on my XP system. Files created by a
program under freeDOS on that partition are visible as long as DOS is
running. When I restart XP (or freeDOS again) they are gone! And no, it's
not on the Y drvie which is a RAM drive. When I copy the files in the same
session e.g. to a sub directory they are there and don't vanish. I can't
explain this behavior, can you?

Hans
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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Wahl [mailto:steve@...]
Sent: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2003 20:12
To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Digest Number 387


On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 01:25:11PM -0000, Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
> Message: 2
>    Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:30:49 +0200
>    From: hans-artmann@...
> Subject: RE: Digest Number 386
>
> [ I wrote about freeDOS ]
>
> Yes this might work, but: you must make sure that you have a FAT32
partition
> on your harddisk to store the data. A NTFS partition cannot be accessed
from
> the floppy booted system. And the partition should not be compressed
unsless
> you are prepared to cope with rather complicated measures.
>
> Another idea is to install a plain DOS partition with enough space for the
> data as a boot option. For this you could also use freeDOS I guess.

Ahh, I should have been a bit more thorough in expressing my thoughts.

Although I haven't tried it or even looked at the numbers, I would
think a bootable freedos disk, on a 1.44 M floppy (with just
command.com, nothing else non-essential), would have space for both
the geibler utility and the 800k disk image.  So you could do it all
from the floppy.

Am I too optimistic here?  You could also put freedos on one floppy
and the geibler utility and disk image on a second floppy.  No need to
reformat a hard disk for this.

I just downloaded ede109.zip; EDE.EXE is 61632 bytes in the zip file.
So I think there should be plenty of space on a 1.44M floppy.

DOH! EDE is probably not able to read the source file from one floppy
while trying to write it to another floppy!  Grr...  You could still
do it with a ramdisk of some sort; any modern machine that doesn't
have a FAT32 partition will have plenty of RAM.

OK, here's how it can be done:  I put together a version of freedos
for anyone who needs it.  http://www2.pro-ns.net/~steve/fdvfx.zip.
It makes a floppy-bootable version of freedos that starts up with a
ramdisk.  After extracting the archive, make a floppy with it
(install.bat does this for you), then copy EDE.EXE and whatever vfx
disk image you want to use on the floppy.  Boot from the floppy, pause
and reflect how slow floppies feel in the modern day, and when you get
the Z:\> prompt, run ede.  (I pretty much successfully tested this
process myself).

Anybody providing disk images is welcome to make a copy of this for
their own distribution.  Heck, anybody NOT providing disk images is
welcome as well...

NOTE:  I have virus checkers on my system, BUT would still be
interested in having others check it for viruses to make sure I'm not
committing a no-no here.

And, by the way, I don't use DOS or Freedos or anything like that on a
regular basis.  I don't prefer or recommend freedos over any other
options, except that I could create this and distribute it to the rest
of you without any license problems.

--> Steve


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Accessing NTFS drives from Steve Wahl FreeDos Config

2003-10-14 by Roi de la plage

Good idea from Steve to pack this bootable-FreeDOS
diskette to use the Giebler EDE software.

Maybe you guys are interested in the way to access
your NTFS formatted hard disk from Steve's
configuration ? Maybe this can help :
http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/NTFSDOS.shtml

Just my euro .02,

Fred

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