Homebrew PCBs

Myc,
   My plans are constantly updated. Both Brute and the 7th Sojourn
have seen various updates. I print out every plans one out a time so
plans are always up to date. Having preprinted plansets for 10
machines is a large chunk of money.

   My complaint was the guy produced plans for my design. If he were
so great he would have designed his own machine. Changing the size of
a few parts and screwing up the overall design and producing free
plans does not help anybody. My goal was to bring a cheap and easy to
build machine to the masses. Others have come onboard without ripping
me off! Those who can do! Those who can't criticize those who can! I
was the first to bring a cheap PCBMill/Drill planset to the market.
Six years have come and gone and some guys are still talking!!!

                                              John






--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "mycroft2152" <mycroft2152y@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi John,
> 
> I guess I started a firestorm.
> 
> Are your complaints based on the fact you want the acknowlegement 
> (ego boost) of combining gas pipes and aluminum channels, or are yopu 
> bemoaning the fact that your "evergreen" project is not going to go 
> on forever?
> 
> Just face it, you are merely selling convenience.  Convenience in 
> time savings by having the details printed on a pieces of paper. 
> Convenience for a shoulder to cry on after screwing up (your private 
> club).
> 
> Reread your comments about HobbyCNC. Dave did it right, when the 
> competition came in, he improved his design and made the old ones 
> obsolete. But again, he is selling hardware not pieces of paper.
> 
> Since, you have stated that you will not make any improvements in the 
> plans, your course of action to sell more plans is to set the price 
> so that it is more convenient for someone to buy them preprinted 
> rather than printing the 100+ pages themselves.
> 
> Re: your comments about the music industry, no one is making you pay 
> for singing or humming a song that you like.
> 
> Myc
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  "crankorgan" <john@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > >       Three people copied the HobbyCNC board. All three went down 
> > in
> > > flames when Dave came out with the new board. It made my day! You 
> > can
> > > search every magazine in the world. I was the first to use the 
> > window
> > > channel. The scraps never made it into the hands of the public. 
> You
> > > remind me of the people who said swaping MP3s were going to help 
> > the
> > > record industry. I am in the process of looking for a job. There 
> > won't
> > > be any new designs (old ones according to you) coming from me in 
> > the
> > > future. I took a bunch of old ideas and made something new out of
> > > them. In six years nobody has done anything as slick.
> > > 
> > >                                                 John 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "lcdpublishing"
> > > <lcdpublishing@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi John,
> > > > 
> > > > I know you have been upset about this whole thing for some time 
> > now. I 
> > > > don't know what you expect of other people though. 
> > Realistically, your 
> > > > machine designs use crude, commonly available  materials. Just 
> > because 
> > > > you printed on paper the idea of using cheap window channel for 
> > a 
> > > > guideway does not give you sole rights to use that idea.  Nor 
> > does the 
> > > > use of extremely crude gas/water pipe for other machine 
> > components.  
> > > > Anyone can use any of those materials in anything they wish to, 
> > > > including a CNC machine. 
> > > > 
> > > > If you look back through woodworking magazines for the last 20 
> > years 
> > > > or so, you will find numerous uses of the cheap aluminum 
> > extrusions 
> > > > for a variety of jigs and fixtures.  In many cases, it was used 
> > as a 
> > > > guideway.  Assuming those published drawings predate yours, 
> then 
> > in 
> > > > essence you ripped off them of their idea.
> > > > 
> > > > Using gas pipe and or water pipe is another "hacked together" 
> > framing 
> > > > material used for innovative purposes long before you used it 
> on 
> > your 
> > > > machine.  As it is easy to obtain, it has been used for many 
> > other 
> > > > purposes including as an axel for a turntable type device 
> > published in 
> > > > a woodworking magazine many years back.  It is used as 
> a "hidden 
> > shelf 
> > > > hanger" device and I am sure many other unique applications.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't know if you expected the world to bow down to you for 
> > all 
> > > > machine designs using similar materials, but if so, you were 
> not 
> > being 
> > > > realistic at all.  Sorry to sound so harsh, but you seem to 
> want 
> > to 
> > > > claim rights to things that you have no right to claim.  If 
> > someone is 
> > > > photocopying your drawings and reselling them, call the 
> > authorities as 
> > > > you would have something to complain about.  But complaining 
> > about 
> > > > people showing similar uses of similar materials is just 
> > unrealistic.
> > > > 
> > > > Chris
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "crankorgan" <john@> 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Stefan,
> > > > >        Lets see him produce plans without the window channel. 
> > The
> > > > > window channel was my epiphany! He mounted the motor and 
> > bearing
> > > > > plates on the channel the same way! The Z axis Gas pipe etc. 
> I 
> > guess
> > > > > if I stole your car and repainted it, that would be ok with 
> > you? 
> > > > > 
> > > > >                                           John
> > > >
> > >
> >
>