Homebrew PCBs

Tony,
     What you did was a stunt! I have a tax number and I keep records 
of every sale. But I am nonprofit. I retired at 37 and I am now an 
old man of 50. I share my plans and ideas with other. I charge a small
fee for my plans. I use the money to buy more parts. I work 18 hours 
a day 7 days a week. I love what I am doing. It's my life and I will 
do what I want! So if anyone want to talk Milling Circuit boards I am
here for that! I am not a businessman, they make money!

                                 John



--- In Homebrew_PCBs@y..., Tony Jeffree <tony@j...> wrote:
> John -
> 
> Rather an extreme reaction when all I was doing was offering you 
sound (and 
> free!) advice. Don't knock it. Ask any successful salesman & he/she 
will 
> tell you the same thing.
> 
> At 10:33 17/04/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> >Tony,
> >      I don't run a company. This is a hobby! I offer my plans to
> >people who want them.
> 
> You advertise stuff for sale. You have customers. You sell them 
stuff. You 
> accept their money. Ergo, you run a business. Maybe not 
incorporated, but 
> certainly a business. The IRS will certainly view it as a business 
> (assuming of course that you're a good boy & tell them about the 
income); 
> so will anyone seeing your website & noticing that you charge for 
stuff.
> 
> >When people ask lots of questions, seem
> >unsure, or pull a stunt. I don't want to get involved with them.
> >I learned from people like YOU! You sent cash in the envelope. You
> >did not send the correct amount. I shipped anyway.
> 
> You're right - I sent you a $20 bill (or was it 2 tens?), not $18, 
> anticipating that the extra $2 would cover the additional overseas 
postage, 
> as your $18 price already included US postage & didn't specify the 
extra 
> for overseas. I can do the sums - you ended up *in pocket*, rather 
than 
> *out of pocket* on that deal. Just shows how easy it is for you to 
> misrepresent a situation by leaving out vital information. Having 
seen that 
> happen in your interactions with me, I have no reason to take your 
version 
> of your interactions with this other Canadian guy at face value 
either.
> 
> >Then you started
> >whining you got robbed.
> 
> If you mean I gave you feedback on what I considered to be the low 
> value-for-money that I had received, that is true. I wouldn't 
describe that 
> as whining. Particularly as I didn't ask for a refund - I wrote 
that one 
> off to bad experience.
> 
> >So now I am very careful who I sell to. Now
> >when somebody pulls your stunt! I send the money back.
> 
> I notice you didn't bother to offer me a refund though, despite the 
fact 
> that I was obviously unhappy with what you had sent me. Perhaps if 
you had, 
> we wouldn't have ended up having this conversation.
> 
> >In over a year
> >and a half I have only had one complaint. That was from YOU! They 
rest
> >are from people who have not bought anything! They want me to cater
> >to they long list of questions and conditions. This is a Hobby! I 
am
> >very busy here!
> 
> If you don't want the hassle, don't go into business - be it in a 
small way 
> or not. You could save yourself all the hassle you are complaining 
about by 
> doing what many others, including myself, do - put their plans etc. 
up on 
> their websites at no charge, for the benefit of all.
> 
> You can't have it both ways.
> 
> Best regards,
> Tony