Homebrew PCBs

Hi john 

Ok here we go the last time we talked last year I asked you about 
your mill and the book on how to mill boards . A week after we talked 
I had to take my dad in to the hospital and found out he had Cancer 
of the blood so I put every thing on hold in my life My wife and kids 
and I had to take care of him he passed away 4 months later that's 
way I did not do anything till I contacted you this past month .Now 
as for the shipping of the books there is a 5.00 importing fee I have 
to pay for at the post office that's why I said do not worry about 
it , that's not lying to anyone at all,  by not putting a bill of 
sale in I will not then pay two times to the Government then try to 
get get it back in two to three months .


As for the G-code you had that up on your web site and you took it 
down so I thought you would sell it at a price that would be fair to 
all ..


John J Brauweiler

 I will repost this on the group later on  but I also think that this 
is not where it should be done . I did not flame you there I hope we 
can fix what ever is goning on here .







--- In Homebrew_PCBs@y..., "crankorgan" <john@k...> wrote:
> Tony,
>      What you did was a stunt! I have a tax number and I keep 
records 
> of every sale. But I am nonprofit. I retired at 37 and I am now an 
> old man of 50. I share my plans and ideas with other. I charge a 
small
> fee for my plans. I use the money to buy more parts. I work 18 
hours 
> a day 7 days a week. I love what I am doing. It's my life and I 
will 
> do what I want! So if anyone want to talk Milling Circuit boards I 
am
> here for that! I am not a businessman, they make money!
> 
>                                  John
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@y..., Tony Jeffree <tony@j...> wrote:
> > John -
> > 
> > Rather an extreme reaction when all I was doing was offering you 
> sound (and 
> > free!) advice. Don't knock it. Ask any successful salesman & 
he/she 
> will 
> > tell you the same thing.
> > 
> > At 10:33 17/04/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Tony,
> > >      I don't run a company. This is a hobby! I offer my plans to
> > >people who want them.
> > 
> > You advertise stuff for sale. You have customers. You sell them 
> stuff. You 
> > accept their money. Ergo, you run a business. Maybe not 
> incorporated, but 
> > certainly a business. The IRS will certainly view it as a 
business 
> > (assuming of course that you're a good boy & tell them about the 
> income); 
> > so will anyone seeing your website & noticing that you charge for 
> stuff.
> > 
> > >When people ask lots of questions, seem
> > >unsure, or pull a stunt. I don't want to get involved with them.
> > >I learned from people like YOU! You sent cash in the envelope. 
You
> > >did not send the correct amount. I shipped anyway.
> > 
> > You're right - I sent you a $20 bill (or was it 2 tens?), not 
$18, 
> > anticipating that the extra $2 would cover the additional 
overseas 
> postage, 
> > as your $18 price already included US postage & didn't specify 
the 
> extra 
> > for overseas. I can do the sums - you ended up *in pocket*, 
rather 
> than 
> > *out of pocket* on that deal. Just shows how easy it is for you 
to 
> > misrepresent a situation by leaving out vital information. Having 
> seen that 
> > happen in your interactions with me, I have no reason to take 
your 
> version 
> > of your interactions with this other Canadian guy at face value 
> either.
> > 
> > >Then you started
> > >whining you got robbed.
> > 
> > If you mean I gave you feedback on what I considered to be the 
low 
> > value-for-money that I had received, that is true. I wouldn't 
> describe that 
> > as whining. Particularly as I didn't ask for a refund - I wrote 
> that one 
> > off to bad experience.
> > 
> > >So now I am very careful who I sell to. Now
> > >when somebody pulls your stunt! I send the money back.
> > 
> > I notice you didn't bother to offer me a refund though, despite 
the 
> fact 
> > that I was obviously unhappy with what you had sent me. Perhaps 
if 
> you had, 
> > we wouldn't have ended up having this conversation.
> > 
> > >In over a year
> > >and a half I have only had one complaint. That was from YOU! 
They 
> rest
> > >are from people who have not bought anything! They want me to 
cater
> > >to they long list of questions and conditions. This is a Hobby! 
I 
> am
> > >very busy here!
> > 
> > If you don't want the hassle, don't go into business - be it in a 
> small way 
> > or not. You could save yourself all the hassle you are 
complaining 
> about by 
> > doing what many others, including myself, do - put their plans 
etc. 
> up on 
> > their websites at no charge, for the benefit of all.
> > 
> > You can't have it both ways.
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Tony