Phil wrote: > thanks. here's the state of my "operations": > > paper: I'm using magazine semi-glossy. I'll try some of the coated > inkjet paper. I did have a couple of sheets that I used a while ago > and think it had the same problem but I could be misremembering as I > was fussing with learning the process. by the way, passing the paper > though the copier multiple times to increase the amount of fusing > seems to have no effect. it does come out hot so I know its > getting "cooked". > > toner density: I've played with this a lot. really cranked it down > and even at super light settings I am seeing the blotchiness along > with complete drop out due to too little toner. In general, I keep > it on the light side. > > heat: I think I've got this right as i started high and kept > dropping it until the toner was not adhering, then kicked it up a > bit. I'm getting good aherence. Using the aluminum sheet metal seems > to improve the uniformity of the heating but there is still some > blotchiness. > > pressure: I still think this, along with uneven heating, is part of > my problem. Its hard for me to control which is why I thought the > metal plates would do a more even/uniform job. > > I'm not going to obsess over this blotchiness as it doesn't keep the > board from being usable, it just doesn't look super clean. I'll keep > at it so Me Etch Pretty, Someday. > http://www.jetprintphoto.com/c/graphicgloss.asp Try this, or find the Office Max Hammermill equivalent since this is also a Hammermill paper. It has a good coating, and a paper sheet. I think Office Max just bypassed JetPrint and bought their paper direct to make a bit more money. Note that magazine paper is very thin and dense, and most has a solid coating. You will easily get the smashing of toner as you're getting, there is no where for the toner to go but out. There are some who swear by the magazine paper mainly because it's free, but they also tend to swear you must use a laminator etc to get good results. You can get great results from this paper without anything else being special. And the extra fusing is to keep the coating from this type paper from sticking, I wouldn't expect it to do much for magazine paper. I'd assumed you were already using good paper, you should try some just to understand the difference in quality and ease. Even if you can live with the magazine quality for now you should see this so you know you can step up if you need to later. You'll spend far more time trying to make the magazine paper process good than you will just buying the 50 cents a page paper. And the 20 pages in the pack for $10 lasts a good while if you're judicious and print tests on normal paper first etc. Pressure is the problem, but you'll never be able to get it 'right' with such a solid dense paper. You may find a mag with a thicker softer paper, but they're few and far between since transport bulk dictates that thin highly compressed paper is better for a mag. For contrast I can barely make my prints smash at all or have uneven results, even with intentional wide variations in pressure. This type paper is your limiting factor, not that you don't have superhuman or mechanical control over the pressure. A few sheets of normal paper behind may mitigate some of this. But even then the coating on the inkjet papers is a bit different and seperates from the looser page better. My prints leave the coating on the toner with only a little of the page sticking in the coating, and the extra coating tears right at the trace edges, and the resulting transfers are nearly perfect, even the holes are left clear even with almost all the coating sticking on the toner. I don't think you could get that kind of coating seperation with the highly compressed tight bonding of the magazine coating and page. Actually I'll have to try some different magazines and see if there's anything out there that's as good. Free paper would be good. But from how most everyone using it says lamination is absolutely critical and knowing the basic construction of most pages I don't really expect to find it, but worth checking. Using this paper and fusing an extra time or two so the unprinted coating is dried better and won't stick are almost my whole process, and hard to consider that a drawback since the paper and printer do all the work. After that the ironing etc is all very simple, instead of having to get it exactly right it's almost impossible to go wrong. http://photos.yahoo.com/alantak69 Look in PCB, this was a rush job since I expected to have to clean it up and it was just a proto board anyway, so was going to have wire jumpers etc. Even with hardly ironing so a couple small pieces didn't stick, it came out nearly perfect. Note the second photo, smooth even fuzz almost everywhere, but almost no holes were covered so the copper was properly exposed for etch, and only a couple had to be picked at by hand. Little secondary touch up or handling required. Note the first pic, you can see the image in the coating on the page since the coating seperation was so clean. I only spent about two minutes doing the ironing, a little bit more would have likely gotten a perfect transfer. The route through the pins wasn't smashing, I had it drawn a bit wide in Eagle but it was still not touching and worked perfectly. While the pics are a bit fuzzy from being close in, the trace edges were sharp. If your results aren't equally easy and painless with just an iron by hand, maybe this will let you see it's likely your choice of paper. It's hard for what I'm doing to even mess up. The stepper board in the other album was a much earlier board, before I knew to fuse extra and clean the copper better with acetone. Still came out well, but took a lot more hand work since the coating stuck much more. That's what the extra fusing is for, almost totally eliminates any unprinted coating sticking with this easily seperated coating. Bit of a read but hopefully this will help you bypass the idea that you need to do a lot of work on heat and pressure, and get you to try some other ideas with a better paper. It's much easier than fixing the process with the paper you're using right now, and well worth the 50 cents a page when printing boards to make everything else much less critical. It's even hard for me to really work on the print to copper idea too hard, this really is easy enough for my light to medium use, and doesn't take modifying a printer. But I think our current ideas on that will coexist with normal printing now, so if the testing works it'll be worth finding and setting up one printer that can print fine on paper and also straight on copper board. Alan
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: TT experiment
2004-03-01 by Alan King
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