maybe mineral oil. thats not so volatile. --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <alienrelics@y...> wrote: > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Phil" <phil1960us@y...> wrote: > > It seems there are two bondings going on here: toner to paper and > > toner to board. The goal is to increase the ratio of bonding to the > > board vs bonding to the paper so the paper will release. Of course > > there needs to be a minimum level of bonding to the board. coated > > paper works because the toner only bonds to the board-side layer and > > soaking causes the layers to seperate. > > > > The starch method of decreasing paper bonding is very promising but > > I've not been able to get smooth enough paper to feed cleanly. My > > best effort got creases and spacial distortion of the transfer > > pattern. I'm skeptical of this working well for 8 mil traces and > > tqfp packages. I've got some 90 lb paper that might maintain its > > integrity during starch treatment and will give it a try. There may > > be other products that don't wet the paper but decrease the paper- > > toner bonding. a very thin coating of a light oil (wd40 springs to > > mind) might do it. > > Yes, as has been covered here in depth, paper contraction due to the > heat of a laser printer/copier causes problems. I'd imagine a sheet of > paper wetted and not sufficiently dried is going to be worse. > > I think your analysis of bonding is correct. > > As for WD-40, speaking as an electronics tech: Don't do it! WD-40 and > electronics do -not- mix. WD-40 is -not- an oil. It's volatile, which > means heat is going to cause it to evaporate anyway. It's main use is > as a water displacer. My father destroyed the hinges on a truck of > mine, because unknown to me he was spraying all the hinges on my truck > with WD-40 every time I visited. I couldn't figure out why my doors > kept squeeking and sticking, I'd grease them, and in a short time > they'd stick again. He'd hosed out all the grease with WD-40 and > within a short time all the WD-40 had evaporated, leaving nothing but > metal to metal contact with some dust thrown in. > > I suspect coatings are the answer. I tried inkjet transparencies, on > the theory that the coating on the plastic is water soluble and so > would easily let go of the toner when soaked. I was right, the > transparency got slimy when wet and let go easily. The problem was I > could not get water all the way under the plastic and the toner stuck > better to dry inkjet transparency than it did to copper. > > And as has been pointed out here, the plastic caused the traces to all > mash out. > > Steve
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Re: TT: getting the toner to stick (Don't forget the gravy)
2004-03-10 by Phil
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