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Getting started with Cupric Chloride - I think...

Getting started with Cupric Chloride - I think...

2009-01-23 by lcdpublishing

Hi guys,

I have been etching for a while now with ferric chloride.  Today I 
made up a different home brew based on information found on 
instructables.  This consists of two parts hydrogen peroxide and 1 
part muriatic acid.  The final step was to etch some boards which will 
eventually convert this mix to Cupric Chloride.

First, I was amazed at the speed of etching - very fast - even faster 
if you agitate the circuit board.  I didn't use a bubbler as  am not 
sure if I am suppose to.

So, with that experience under my belt, I got a couple questions

1) How will I know this is now Cupric Chloride?

2) Should I use a bubbler with Cupric Chloride?

3) Does Sharpie pen ink hold up as a resist?

4) With this, is there any gasses given off that I need to be aware 
of?

Any other advice or suggestions would certainly be appreciated.

Chris

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Getting started with Cupric Chloride - I think...

2009-01-23 by DJ Delorie

"lcdpublishing" <lcdpublishing@...> writes:
> First, I was amazed at the speed of etching - very fast - even faster 
> if you agitate the circuit board.  I didn't use a bubbler as  am not 
> sure if I am suppose to.

Don't need to yet.  The initial bath is very agressive, mostly because
of all that H2O2 in there.

> 1) How will I know this is now Cupric Chloride?

It will be a dark emerald green when converted.  You won't even be
able to see the board in the tank.

If you haven't already, read all of this:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~eseychell/PCB/etching_CuCl/

The photo on that page is what my etchant looks like at the moment.

> 2) Should I use a bubbler with Cupric Chloride?

Yes, partly to help with etching and partly to regenerate the
solution.  Otherwise, you have to keep adding H2O2 and it dilutes the
solution.  Regenerating with the O2 in air helps keep the solution
under control.

> 3) Does Sharpie pen ink hold up as a resist?

Probably, but that's just a guess.

> 4) With this, is there any gasses given off that I need to be aware 
> of?

Chlorine, especially if you use a heater.  Provide good ventilation.
Don't set up near anything metal.  Keep your etchant tank sealed when
not in use.

> Any other advice or suggestions would certainly be appreciated.

The solution has a short "shelf life" in it's initial state - the H2O2
breaks down and plain HCl won't etch copper on its own.  It's best to
either etch a lot now and convert it quickly, or dump some waste
copper in (old pipe fittings, for example) to convert it separately.
I calculated about half a pound of copper per 3 liters of solution
gets you to the low end of CuCl etchant - leaving room for another
half pound of copper from etched boards before you have to start
worrying about what to do with it.

Alterately, leave room in your tank and keep some H2O2 around to dump
in before etching.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Getting started with Cupric Chloride - I think...

2009-01-24 by Morris Odell

Hi all,

I've been using FeCl3 for longer than I can remember but the solid form is 
getting hard to find these days. I'm looking at alternatives such as CuCl2. 
Most of the procedure looks pretty straightforward.

What concentration of H2O2 did you use? Was it the commonly available "10 
volume" from the pharmacy or do you need something stronger?

Morris
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>
> I have been etching for a while now with ferric chloride.  Today I
> made up a different home brew based on information found on
> instructables.  This consists of two parts hydrogen peroxide and 1
> part muriatic acid.  The final step was to etch some boards which will
> eventually convert this mix to Cupric Chloride.

Re: Getting started with Cupric Chloride - I think...

2009-01-25 by Bob_xyz

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Morris Odell" <vilgotch@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been using FeCl3 for longer than I can remember but the solid
>form is 
> getting hard to find these days. I'm looking at alternatives such
>as CuCl2. 
> Most of the procedure looks pretty straightforward.
> 
> What concentration of H2O2 did you use? Was it the commonly
>available "10 
> volume" from the pharmacy or do you need something stronger?
>

H2O2 is available at beauty supply stores in 20, 30, and 40 volume for
bleaching hair. Depending on the store, you may or may not need to
have a licensed cosmetologist buy it for you. (Sally's Beauty Supply
doesn't have a license requirement but many stores do.)

Incidentally, each 10-unit increment of 'volume' is actually a 3%
increase in percentage strength. The 10 volume is 3% H2O2, 20 volume
is 6%, 30 volume is 9%, and 40 volume is 12%. 

You also may be able to buy industrial strength at up to 35%
concentration but I'd suspect that restrictions may be in place for
buying it that strong. A 40-volume (12%) works well for CuCl etching.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_peroxide 


Regards, Bob

Re: Getting started with Cupric Chloride - I think...

2009-01-26 by lcdpublishing

I followed the directions as such...

2 parts common hydrogen peroxide
1 part muriatic acid

The acid is the common type sold at hardware stores and the hydrogen peroxide was also 
the commonly available for everyday use - grocery store purchase.

 







--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Morris Odell" <vilgotch@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been using FeCl3 for longer than I can remember but the solid form is 
> getting hard to find these days. I'm looking at alternatives such as CuCl2. 
> Most of the procedure looks pretty straightforward.
> 
> What concentration of H2O2 did you use? Was it the commonly available "10 
> volume" from the pharmacy or do you need something stronger?
> 
> Morris
> 
> >
> > I have been etching for a while now with ferric chloride.  Today I
> > made up a different home brew based on information found on
> > instructables.  This consists of two parts hydrogen peroxide and 1
> > part muriatic acid.  The final step was to etch some boards which will
> > eventually convert this mix to Cupric Chloride.
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Getting started with Cupric Chloride - I think...

2009-01-26 by Wayne Topa

lcdpublishing wrote:
> I followed the directions as such...
>
> 2 parts common hydrogen peroxide
> 1 part muriatic acid
>
> The acid is the common type sold at hardware stores and the hydrogen peroxide was also 
> the commonly available for everyday use - grocery store purchase.
>
>   
What was the volume of the  the peroxide, the 3% drugstore type or
the 30% Beauty Supply type?  I was able the get the 30% and I think I 
read, somewhere, that 1 to 1 was OK.

Wayne

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Getting started with Cupric Chloride - I think...

2009-01-26 by Stefan Trethan

I would think it must be the 3% type, two parts out of three is _WAY_
overkill with 30%, probably outright dangerous.

ST
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On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Wayne Topa <linuxone@...> wrote:

> What was the volume of the  the peroxide, the 3% drugstore type or
> the 30% Beauty Supply type?  I was able the get the 30% and I think I
> read, somewhere, that 1 to 1 was OK.
>
> Wayne
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Getting started with Cupric Chloride - I think...

2009-01-26 by Wayne Topa

Wayne Topa wrote:
> lcdpublishing wrote:
>   
>> I followed the directions as such...
>>
>> 2 parts common hydrogen peroxide
>> 1 part muriatic acid
>>
>> The acid is the common type sold at hardware stores and the hydrogen peroxide was also 
>> the commonly available for everyday use - grocery store purchase.
>>
>>   
>>     
> What was the volume of the  the peroxide, the 3% drugstore type or
> the 30% Beauty Supply type?  I was able the get the 30% and I think I 
> read, somewhere, that 1 to 1 was OK.
>   
Correction!  I meant 30 Volume not 30 %.
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Re: Getting started with Cupric Chloride - I think...

2009-01-28 by Mike Henry

I found H2O2 in a beauty supply store that has the number 30 on the bottle, but it clearly states that it is a 12% solution.  Read your bottle carefully, I'd be surprised if your was any different.
 
Mike


      

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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Getting started with Cupric Chloride - I think...

2009-01-28 by leon Heller

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I found H2O2 in a beauty supply store that has the number 30 on the bottle, 
but it clearly states that it is a 12% solution. Read your bottle carefully, 
I'd be surprised if your was any different.


It's probably 30 vols - produces 30x its volume of O2.

Leon
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