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need recommendations for free simple 2D CAD program

2010-09-13 by gandolfreefer

Hey guys,

I just need to download a dead-easy, intuitive free CAD to make simple mechanical drawings for machine shops here to make parts for me.

Nothing fancy...but it has to have some sort of drag and snap-to center feature. And I gotta print out easily. I'll be drawing lots of rectangles with various holes in them, and the occasional circle offset from a center bore (i.e. cam).

I don't care about no 3D.

I tried one, but after half an hour of trying to get a larger circle placed 5 mm from the center of my first, smaller circle, I gave up and deleted the $*#@!! thing.

I'm sure it's a fine program, but I couldn't make heads nor tails of it. It was called CadStdLite, but it was too lite for my brain!!

Other suggestions? 

Best, Charlie

PS: I don't mind paying for the stinking thing in 30 days, so long as it isn't tre' expensive, but I'd rather just have a piece of freeware some enlightened soul wrote for his own use. :)

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] need recommendations for free simple 2D CAD program

2010-09-13 by Donald H Locker

Check Ribbonsoft's QCad product.  <http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html>

Regard,
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> From: "gandolfreefer" <synchronousmosfet@...>
> To: "Homebrew PCBs" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 9:30:18 AM
> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] need recommendations for free simple 2D CAD program
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> I just need to download a dead-easy, intuitive free CAD to make simple
> mechanical drawings for machine shops here to make parts for me.
> 
> Nothing fancy...but it has to have some sort of drag and snap-to
> center feature. And I gotta print out easily. I'll be drawing lots of
> rectangles with various holes in them, and the occasional circle
> offset from a center bore (i.e. cam).
> 
> I don't care about no 3D.
> 
> I tried one, but after half an hour of trying to get a larger circle
> placed 5 mm from the center of my first, smaller circle, I gave up and
> deleted the $*#@!! thing.
> 
> I'm sure it's a fine program, but I couldn't make heads nor tails of
> it. It was called CadStdLite, but it was too lite for my brain!!
> 
> Other suggestions? 
> 
> Best, Charlie
> 
> PS: I don't mind paying for the stinking thing in 30 days, so long as
> it isn't tre' expensive, but I'd rather just have a piece of freeware
> some enlightened soul wrote for his own use. :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] need recommendations for free simple 2D CAD program

2010-09-13 by Malcolm Parker-Lisberg

Two to try
CadStd:
<http://www.cadstd.com/>
Site seems to be down loday, I use this one mosly as it is dead easy to use.

Solidedge
<http://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/en_us/products/velocity/solidedge/free2d/index.shtml>

Free starter CAD for 3D
<http://www.ar-cad.com/>

Malcolm

I don't suffer from insanity I enjoy it!

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From: gandolfreefer <synchronousmosfet@...>
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] need recommendations for free simple 2D CAD program
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 2:30 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      Hey guys,



I just need to download a dead-easy, intuitive free CAD to make simple mechanical drawings for machine shops here to make parts for me.



Nothing fancy...but it has to have some sort of drag and snap-to center feature. And I gotta print out easily. I'll be drawing lots of rectangles with various holes in them, and the occasional circle offset from a center bore (i.e. cam).



I don't care about no 3D.



I tried one, but after half an hour of trying to get a larger circle placed 5 mm from the center of my first, smaller circle, I gave up and deleted the $*#@!! thing.



I'm sure it's a fine program, but I couldn't make heads nor tails of it. It was called CadStdLite, but it was too lite for my brain!!



Other suggestions? 



Best, Charlie



PS: I don't mind paying for the stinking thing in 30 days, so long as it isn't tre' expensive, but I'd rather just have a piece of freeware some enlightened soul wrote for his own use. :)





    
     

    
    


 



  






      

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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] need recommendations for free simple 2D CAD program

2010-09-13 by Slavko Kocjancic

Na 13.9.2010 15:30, gandolfreefer je pisal:
> Hey guys,
>
> I just need to download a dead-easy, intuitive free CAD to make simple mechanical drawings for machine shops here to make parts for me.
>
> Nothing fancy...but it has to have some sort of drag and snap-to center feature. And I gotta print out easily. I'll be drawing lots of rectangles with various holes in them, and the occasional circle offset from a center bore (i.e. cam).
>
> I don't care about no 3D.
>
> I tried one, but after half an hour of trying to get a larger circle placed 5 mm from the center of my first, smaller circle, I gave up and deleted the $*#@!! thing.
>
> I'm sure it's a fine program, but I couldn't make heads nor tails of it. It was called CadStdLite, but it was too lite for my brain!!
>
> Other suggestions?
>
> Best, Charlie
>
> PS: I don't mind paying for the stinking thing in 30 days, so long as it isn't tre' expensive, but I'd rather just have a piece of freeware some enlightened soul wrote for his own use. :)

Try TurboCad LE (Learning edition)
It's old and just will do what you need (and more).
Free...
NOT trial (no limits/ no time limits)
Maybe not simplest but easy enought to learn in few hours.

http://www.turbocadables.com/download.php

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] need recommendations for free simple 2D CAD program

2010-09-13 by Branko Badrljica

Na 13. 09. 2010 17:51, Slavko Kocjancic je pisal:
>
> Na 13.9.2010 15:30, gandolfreefer je pisal:
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > I just need to download a dead-easy, intuitive free CAD to make 
> simple mechanical drawings for machine shops here to make parts for me.
> >
> > Nothing fancy...but it has to have some sort of drag and snap-to 
> center feature. And I gotta print out easily. I'll be drawing lots of 
> rectangles with various holes in them, and the occasional circle 
> offset from a center bore (i.e. cam).
> >
> > I don't care about no 3D.
>
<SNIP>
>
> Try TurboCad LE (Learning edition)
> It's old and just will do what you need (and more).
> Free...
> NOT trial (no limits/ no time limits)
> Maybe not simplest but easy enought to learn in few hours.
>
> http://www.turbocadables.com/download.php
>

I'm novice on this field, so this might be shot in the dark, but has 
anyone tried QCAD from Ribbonsoft ?
It is available also for Linux and relatively cheap ( www.ribbonsoft.com).




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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] need recommendations for free simple 2D CAD program

2010-09-14 by Slavko Kocjancic

Na 13.9.2010 19:21, Branko Badrljica je pisal:
>    Na 13. 09. 2010 17:51, Slavko Kocjancic je pisal:
>> Na 13.9.2010 15:30, gandolfreefer je pisal:
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> I just need to download a dead-easy, intuitive free CAD to make
>> simple mechanical drawings for machine shops here to make parts for me.
>>> Nothing fancy...but it has to have some sort of drag and snap-to
>> center feature. And I gotta print out easily. I'll be drawing lots of
>> rectangles with various holes in them, and the occasional circle
>> offset from a center bore (i.e. cam).
>>> I don't care about no 3D.
> <SNIP>
>> Try TurboCad LE (Learning edition)
>> It's old and just will do what you need (and more).
>> Free...
>> NOT trial (no limits/ no time limits)
>> Maybe not simplest but easy enought to learn in few hours.
>>
>> http://www.turbocadables.com/download.php
>>
> I'm novice on this field, so this might be shot in the dark, but has
> anyone tried QCAD from Ribbonsoft ?
> It is available also for Linux and relatively cheap ( www.ribbonsoft.com).
>
>
>
I think the TurboCAD is better. In my opinion is easier to learn have 
more functionality and is cheaper (free).
.... and as I remember sometime ago I was try to run that in wine and is 
working...

Re: need recommendations for free simple 2D CAD program

2010-09-16 by gandolfreefer

Thanks guys, very much.

I will try them, but it turns out I was very wrong about one thing:

I thought I didn't need 3D, but it turns out 3D is very important for double-checking my work and for making sure the machinest gets it right.

I have found eMachineShop to work quite nicely, once you figure out the little tricks in it.

And it models 3D quickly. It's a little funky in some regards; it doesn't show threads, for example, it just gives a dot that tells you it's a threaded hole, etc, but I don't mind that.

The only real complaint I have about eMachineShop's CAD is that it has a truly lousy printer utility; I'm working on figuring out how to make printouts look better. The 3D prints are fine, but the 2D prints are so light you can't hardly read them.

Best, Charlie

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "gandolfreefer" <synchronousmosfet@...> wrote:
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>
> Hey guys,
> 
> I just need to download a dead-easy, intuitive free CAD to make simple mechanical drawings for machine shops here to make parts for me.
> 
> Nothing fancy...but it has to have some sort of drag and snap-to center feature. And I gotta print out easily. I'll be drawing lots of rectangles with various holes in them, and the occasional circle offset from a center bore (i.e. cam).
> 
> I don't care about no 3D.
> 
> I tried one, but after half an hour of trying to get a larger circle placed 5 mm from the center of my first, smaller circle, I gave up and deleted the $*#@!! thing.
> 
> I'm sure it's a fine program, but I couldn't make heads nor tails of it. It was called CadStdLite, but it was too lite for my brain!!
> 
> Other suggestions? 
> 
> Best, Charlie
> 
> PS: I don't mind paying for the stinking thing in 30 days, so long as it isn't tre' expensive, but I'd rather just have a piece of freeware some enlightened soul wrote for his own use. :)
>

Re: need recommendations for free simple 2D CAD program

2010-09-24 by gandolfreefer

Hey, just an update for anyone who might be starting down the same trail...

I finally just settled on using the free CAD from emachineshop.com.

It's probably not the greatest program out there, but, it's free!! And the 3D is pretty quick and OK. I found that 3D is a must, so you can doublecheck your work; it's amazing how ... at least for a dummy like me ... you can make a mistake in 2D and not really realize it until you see the 3D and you say, "oops, I've got that on the wrong side, etc., etc..."

emachineshop does also enable you to get online quotes. Of course, the prices are for idiot entrepreneurs who have millions but no brains, but it's interesting to see...

...and, actually, emachineshop has a lot of nice built-in "real world" machining features that help you design something a machinest could actually make without too much trouble...things like menus for corner rounding, chamfering, etc., help.

The trick to using it is to plan ahead for the largest possible overall size of your piece, and then, especially if the piece has special cutouts, build the biggest chunk of it line by line, arc by arc, and put it all together, paying attention to Z dimensions. Then use the intersect and group togehter functions to get units. Adding holes, etc, just requires thinking about which view you have to go to in order to avoid error messages.

Error messages are maddening and a part of the steep learning curve for this program, but once you figure out that everything is subtractive, once you've committed to the largest bulk of the shape, and don't try to add stuff on, you'll mostly be OK. Adding stuff on usually gets so many error messages you just give up. 

I'm getting smarter at it, but I still often have to start over from scratch when I realize I didn't make the initial chunk big enough, since it's much easier to start over and do everything subtractively rather than try to add anything on later...it's just the way the program seems to be set up.

Maybe that's the way all CAD programs are set up, I dunno (shrug).

Printout is a royal pain, it prints out far too lightly, even with making the lines much thicker (it won't let you thicken dashed, hidden lines, so they print out so faint you can hardly see them). 

The way I solved this was to do Ctrl/PrtSc screen shots, import into paint, select the area, copy, import into a new paint file again, and then add color. By judiciously adding very light colors, I can make the background (hidden dashed) lines stand out enough to make the $O#@!! mechanical drawing readable on printout.

Any tricks, suggestions, comments welcome.

Very Best Regards, Charles

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "gandolfreefer" <synchronousmosfet@...> wrote:
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>
> Thanks guys, very much.
> 
> I will try them, but it turns out I was very wrong about one thing:
> 
> I thought I didn't need 3D, but it turns out 3D is very important for double-checking my work and for making sure the machinest gets it right.
> 
> I have found eMachineShop to work quite nicely, once you figure out the little tricks in it.
> 
> And it models 3D quickly. It's a little funky in some regards; it doesn't show threads, for example, it just gives a dot that tells you it's a threaded hole, etc, but I don't mind that.
> 
> The only real complaint I have about eMachineShop's CAD is that it has a truly lousy printer utility; I'm working on figuring out how to make printouts look better. The 3D prints are fine, but the 2D prints are so light you can't hardly read them.
> 
> Best, Charlie
> 
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "gandolfreefer" <synchronousmosfet@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey guys,
> > 
> > I just need to download a dead-easy, intuitive free CAD to make simple mechanical drawings for machine shops here to make parts for me.
> > 
> > Nothing fancy...but it has to have some sort of drag and snap-to center feature. And I gotta print out easily. I'll be drawing lots of rectangles with various holes in them, and the occasional circle offset from a center bore (i.e. cam).
> > 
> > I don't care about no 3D.
> > 
> > I tried one, but after half an hour of trying to get a larger circle placed 5 mm from the center of my first, smaller circle, I gave up and deleted the $*#@!! thing.
> > 
> > I'm sure it's a fine program, but I couldn't make heads nor tails of it. It was called CadStdLite, but it was too lite for my brain!!
> > 
> > Other suggestions? 
> > 
> > Best, Charlie
> > 
> > PS: I don't mind paying for the stinking thing in 30 days, so long as it isn't tre' expensive, but I'd rather just have a piece of freeware some enlightened soul wrote for his own use. :)
> >
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: need recommendations for free simple 2D CAD program

2010-09-24 by Henry Liu

Download Draftsight from the makers of Solidworks: www.draftsight.com

When a company makes $2 billion dollars a year on 3D CAD software wants to
get into the 2D Cad market and take away market share from the leader
(AutoCAD) what do they do?  Make it almost as good as AutoCAD and give it
away for free.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:21 AM, gandolfreefer <
synchronousmosfet@transformationaudio.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hey, just an update for anyone who might be starting down the same trail...
>
> I finally just settled on using the free CAD from emachineshop.com.
>
> It's probably not the greatest program out there, but, it's free!! And the
> 3D is pretty quick and OK. I found that 3D is a must, so you can doublecheck
> your work; it's amazing how ... at least for a dummy like me ... you can
> make a mistake in 2D and not really realize it until you see the 3D and you
> say, "oops, I've got that on the wrong side, etc., etc..."
>
> emachineshop does also enable you to get online quotes. Of course, the
> prices are for idiot entrepreneurs who have millions but no brains, but it's
> interesting to see...
>
> ...and, actually, emachineshop has a lot of nice built-in "real world"
> machining features that help you design something a machinest could actually
> make without too much trouble...things like menus for corner rounding,
> chamfering, etc., help.
>
> The trick to using it is to plan ahead for the largest possible overall
> size of your piece, and then, especially if the piece has special cutouts,
> build the biggest chunk of it line by line, arc by arc, and put it all
> together, paying attention to Z dimensions. Then use the intersect and group
> togehter functions to get units. Adding holes, etc, just requires thinking
> about which view you have to go to in order to avoid error messages.
>
> Error messages are maddening and a part of the steep learning curve for
> this program, but once you figure out that everything is subtractive, once
> you've committed to the largest bulk of the shape, and don't try to add
> stuff on, you'll mostly be OK. Adding stuff on usually gets so many error
> messages you just give up.
>
> I'm getting smarter at it, but I still often have to start over from
> scratch when I realize I didn't make the initial chunk big enough, since
> it's much easier to start over and do everything subtractively rather than
> try to add anything on later...it's just the way the program seems to be set
> up.
>
> Maybe that's the way all CAD programs are set up, I dunno (shrug).
>
> Printout is a royal pain, it prints out far too lightly, even with making
> the lines much thicker (it won't let you thicken dashed, hidden lines, so
> they print out so faint you can hardly see them).
>
> The way I solved this was to do Ctrl/PrtSc screen shots, import into paint,
> select the area, copy, import into a new paint file again, and then add
> color. By judiciously adding very light colors, I can make the background
> (hidden dashed) lines stand out enough to make the $O#@!! mechanical drawing
> readable on printout.
>
> Any tricks, suggestions, comments welcome.
>
> Very Best Regards, Charles
>
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "gandolfreefer" <synchronousmosfet@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks guys, very much.
> >
> > I will try them, but it turns out I was very wrong about one thing:
> >
> > I thought I didn't need 3D, but it turns out 3D is very important for
> double-checking my work and for making sure the machinest gets it right.
> >
> > I have found eMachineShop to work quite nicely, once you figure out the
> little tricks in it.
> >
> > And it models 3D quickly. It's a little funky in some regards; it doesn't
> show threads, for example, it just gives a dot that tells you it's a
> threaded hole, etc, but I don't mind that.
> >
> > The only real complaint I have about eMachineShop's CAD is that it has a
> truly lousy printer utility; I'm working on figuring out how to make
> printouts look better. The 3D prints are fine, but the 2D prints are so
> light you can't hardly read them.
> >
> > Best, Charlie
> >
> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "gandolfreefer" <synchronousmosfet@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey guys,
> > >
> > > I just need to download a dead-easy, intuitive free CAD to make simple
> mechanical drawings for machine shops here to make parts for me.
> > >
> > > Nothing fancy...but it has to have some sort of drag and snap-to center
> feature. And I gotta print out easily. I'll be drawing lots of rectangles
> with various holes in them, and the occasional circle offset from a center
> bore (i.e. cam).
> > >
> > > I don't care about no 3D.
> > >
> > > I tried one, but after half an hour of trying to get a larger circle
> placed 5 mm from the center of my first, smaller circle, I gave up and
> deleted the $*#@!! thing.
> > >
> > > I'm sure it's a fine program, but I couldn't make heads nor tails of
> it. It was called CadStdLite, but it was too lite for my brain!!
> > >
> > > Other suggestions?
> > >
> > > Best, Charlie
> > >
> > > PS: I don't mind paying for the stinking thing in 30 days, so long as
> it isn't tre' expensive, but I'd rather just have a piece of freeware some
> enlightened soul wrote for his own use. :)
> > >
> >
>
>  
>


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Re: need recommendations for free simple 2D CAD program

2010-09-24 by Andrew

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "gandolfreefer" <synchronousmosfet@...> wrote:
>
> emachineshop does also enable you to get online quotes. Of course, the prices are for idiot entrepreneurs who have millions but no brains, but it's interesting to see...
> 
> ...and, actually, emachineshop has a lot of nice built-in "real world" machining features that help you design something a machinest could actually make without too much trouble...things like menus for corner rounding, chamfering, etc., help.

Charles, I am not familiar with emachineshop, and certainly wouldn't doubt that a company of this sort (with their own software) might be over-priced. However, I wanted to mention something that could be a factor (I ask forgiveness if I am telling you something you already know):

CAD software makes it really easy to specify things using as many digits of precision as you want to use. As a result, many engineers (and amateurs) are tempted to give, say, 4 digits of precision (down to .0001" or even finer. The problem with that, when it comes to machining, is that you pay -- a LOT -- for extra precision. Most machine shops can machine something within +/-.001" without much trouble, but specifying it to within +/-.005" makes it a piece of cake, and therefore a good bit cheaper. On the other hand, machining to within +/-.0001" requires a lot of extra care -- and actually is starting to be meaningless unless you specify the temperature at which this must be measured. So a simple part might cost you $1 per part to have made to +/-.005", but it would go up to $5 per part for +/-.001", and up to $500 per part for +/-.0001".

Again, I apologize if I am telling you something you already know!

Re: need recommendations for free simple 2D CAD program

2010-09-27 by gandolfreefer

Thanks, Andrew.

Your point is a very good one, and when I started running into dimensions that were going to four or five digits, I realized I had to rethink how I was setting up the piece to start with...

....in other words, by carefully thinking about starting dimensions (especially for diameters) and what's going to happen when you cut those dimensions into halves or fourths or fifths (as so often happens in design), one can control how many digits dimensions go to and still retain good precision.

As a rule, I try to design to no more precision (accuracy?) than +/- .001", and will gladly go to +/- .005 whenever I can; your advice is very well given and I post this reply partly so that others who may not be as experienced may benefit from your advice.

I don't fault eMachineShop.com for being expensive; it's the way it is in the U.S. 

This is why I'm in the Philipines right now. 

A part that I designed in eMachineShop, keeping tolerances as loose as I reasonably could, came in at about $250...which is actually not at all bad for a cam in aluminum with several turnings offset from each other, even though the part was smaller than a golf ball overall....

...but here in Metro Manilla I traveled a few miles to a little hole in the wall machine shop and got the same cam made for....$1 USD. Yup, one buck.

And they normally work to tolerances of +/- 0.0005 or even +/- 0.0001 and were frankly puzzled at the huge tolerances I initially gave them; +/- 0.005 made them think that perhaps it didn't matter WHAT the dimension was....

I also learned here not to bother specifying chamfers and things like that; it's much easier to just give them the drawing, point out where edges or intersections need to be "broken" or "rounded", and let them choose the most convenient method that will automatically result in a reasonable edge or corner treatment.

Very Best, Charlie

PS: one thing that puzzles me about eMachineShop that you or someone may be able to shed light on...in their menu's, they keep trying to force grid spacings on me like 0.098", etc....when I prefer to work with 0.1", 0.050", 0.025", etc. Why the odd numbers? Is it some sort of machining convention worked out over the years to take into account normal tolerances (i.e. +/- .001", etc.), or are these dimensions most easily convertible back and forth between inches and metric????







--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a_wake@...> wrote:
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>
> 
> 
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "gandolfreefer" <synchronousmosfet@> wrote:
> >
> > emachineshop does also enable you to get online quotes. Of course, the prices are for idiot entrepreneurs who have millions but no brains, but it's interesting to see...
> > 
> > ...and, actually, emachineshop has a lot of nice built-in "real world" machining features that help you design something a machinest could actually make without too much trouble...things like menus for corner rounding, chamfering, etc., help.
> 
> Charles, I am not familiar with emachineshop, and certainly wouldn't doubt that a company of this sort (with their own software) might be over-priced. However, I wanted to mention something that could be a factor (I ask forgiveness if I am telling you something you already know):
> 
> CAD software makes it really easy to specify things using as many digits of precision as you want to use. As a result, many engineers (and amateurs) are tempted to give, say, 4 digits of precision (down to .0001" or even finer. The problem with that, when it comes to machining, is that you pay -- a LOT -- for extra precision. Most machine shops can machine something within +/-.001" without much trouble, but specifying it to within +/-.005" makes it a piece of cake, and therefore a good bit cheaper. On the other hand, machining to within +/-.0001" requires a lot of extra care -- and actually is starting to be meaningless unless you specify the temperature at which this must be measured. So a simple part might cost you $1 per part to have made to +/-.005", but it would go up to $5 per part for +/-.001", and up to $500 per part for +/-.0001".
> 
> Again, I apologize if I am telling you something you already know!
>

RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: need recommendations for free simple 2D CAD program

2010-09-27 by Boman33

Charlie,
Are they on a metric grid and it is being converted to inches?
2.5mm rounds off to 0.098"
Bertho
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From: gandolfreefer   Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 22:21

PS: one thing that puzzles me about eMachineShop that you or someone may be
able to shed light on...in their menu's, they keep trying to force grid
spacings on me like 0.098", etc....when I prefer to work with 0.1", 0.050",
0.025", etc. Why the odd numbers? Is it some sort of machining convention
worked out over the years to take into account normal tolerances (i.e. +/-
.001", etc.), or are these dimensions most easily convertible back and forth
between inches and metric????

Re: need recommendations for free simple 2D CAD program

2010-09-27 by Andrew

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "gandolfreefer" <synchronousmosfet@...> wrote:
>
> A part that I designed in eMachineShop, keeping tolerances as loose as I reasonably could, came in at about $250...which is actually not at all bad for a cam in aluminum with several turnings offset from each other, even though the part was smaller than a golf ball overall....
> 
> ...but here in Metro Manilla I traveled a few miles to a little hole in the wall machine shop and got the same cam made for....$1 USD. Yup, one buck.

Yes, I lived in the PI for many years (though it was many years ago) -- a vast difference in the cost of labor!

> And they normally work to tolerances of +/- 0.0005 or even +/- 0.0001 and were frankly puzzled at the huge tolerances I initially gave them; +/- 0.005 made them think that perhaps it didn't matter WHAT the dimension was....

Interesting. Getting down to .0001" dimensions starts to get to the point where thermal expansion makes a difference. I can cut a part to .0001" easily enough ... in terms of measuring it with my equipment as I am making it ... but it may not be within .0001" after it cools down! :)
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> PS: one thing that puzzles me about eMachineShop that you or someone may be able to shed light on...in their menu's, they keep trying to force grid spacings on me like 0.098", etc....when I prefer to work with 0.1", 0.050", 0.025", etc. Why the odd numbers? Is it some sort of machining convention worked out over the years to take into account normal tolerances (i.e. +/- .001", etc.), or are these dimensions most easily convertible back and forth between inches and metric????
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Yep, sounds like they are working off a metric grid.

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